Rand Paul to outline immigration policy platform on Tuesday 3/19

[Slutter McGee]

I think a lot of you are failing to recognize what he is doing. Appealing to Hispanics while still taking a much tougher line than Rubio. Perhaps some of you should actually read the speech.

Smart,

Slutter McGee

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I think a lot of you are failing to recognize what he is doing. Appealing to Hispanics while still taking a much tougher line than Rubio.

Yep, I fell for that initially but have now seen the genius that he's displaying once again.

 

[Brett85]

Drudge is clearly trying to take a slap by using that pic. Yet, when you click the politico link you get a far more upbeat pic plus they also posted a retraction of their use of the "path to citizenship" terminology posted in an earlier article.

Rand does support a path to citizenship, but just not a special or faster path to citizenship. He just supports the path to citizenship that already exists. That means that under his plan illegal immigrants who get work VISAS could apply for citizenship, but they would have to get in the back of the line. It would be the same as if they were applying for citizenship if they were living in Mexico. The only difference is that they would be living in the United States while they're waiting to become citizens. But when they have to get in the back of the line, they wouldn't be able to become citizens for 10-15 years.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I think a lot of you are failing to recognize what he is doing. Appealing to Hispanics while still taking a much tougher line than Rubio. Perhaps some of you should actually read the speech.

Smart,

Slutter McGee

I will at some point. But right now, I prefer to see it the same way as 99.9% of the public who even hear about it. They will only see headlines and short segments on Fox, CNN, etc. or maybe catch a little Hannity or Limbaugh.

 

[Brett85]

I will at some point. But right now, I prefer to see it the same way as 99.9% of the public who even hear about it. They will only see headlines and short segments on Fox, CNN, etc. or maybe catch a little Hannity or Limbaugh.

Hannity is in favor of comprehensive immigration reform and has even praised Rand's plan for his focus on securing the border first.

 

[Barrex]

I think a lot of you are failing to recognize what he is doing. Appealing to Hispanics while still taking a much tougher line than Rubio. Perhaps some of you should actually read the speech.

Smart,


Barrex

 

[abacabb]

But when they have to get in the back of the line, they wouldn't be able to become citizens for 10-15 years.

So, we should willingly put a 15 year clock on the time where every single election a socialist is definitely going to win?

It's demographic suicide to turn illegal immigrants ultimately into voters. Welfare has to be killed before any immigration reform.

 

[RonPaulMall]

I just don't understand why people can't talk rationally about immigration. I understand the open borders position, but nobody in the mainstream really believes in open borders. All the politicians are in the regulated immigration camp in one way or another. So if we are going to have a regulated immigration policy, the only question is what the objectives and preferences of that policy are going to be. The Democratic Proposal is to give preference to 11 million low skill, low I.Q, non-English speaking immigrants whose only seeming upside is the fact they likely to vote Democratic en mass. How the hell are they getting away with this without getting called out on it? And why are Republicans falling all over themselves to go along? You can praise Rand all you want for being "clever" but the reality is he did nothing to call out the insanity of the current debate, and until somebody does that, the Dems win. Not just on the politics of it, but they win in fact. Because those 11 million new Dems, and the 30 to 50 million Democratic voters they spawn within the next couple decades give the Dems a stranglehold on the Federal Government. As Trump pointed out, this is political suicide. And it is not like it is something that is inevitable. The only way it happens is if we pursue an absolutely insane immigration policy that puts a preference on illiterate tomato pickers over engineers and scientists. But that is exactly what we are doing, and the Republicans are just going along.

 

[Brett85]

So, we should willingly put a 15 year clock on the time where every single election a socialist is definitely going to win?

It's demographic suicide to turn illegal immigrants ultimately into voters. Welfare has to be killed before any immigration reform.[/COLOR]

That's going to happen even if the illegal immigrants who are here never become citizens. When we allow one million Hispanics to come here each year and become citizens, and the Hispanic population here in the U.S is reproducing at an extremely fast rate, it's going to eventually get to the point where Hispanics are a plurality or even a majority of voters. Republicans are going to have to figure out how to win over Hispanics if they want to have any chance to be a viable future party. If you want to prevent Hispanic voters from growing and taking over the U.S political system, the only policy you could support that would change that would be to force mass sterilizations by the government of every male Hispanic in America. Short of that the Hispanics are going to take over America anyway.

 

[69360]

So, we should willingly put a 15 year clock on the time where every single election a socialist is definitely going to win?

It's demographic suicide to turn illegal immigrants ultimately into voters. Welfare has to be killed before any immigration reform.[/COLOR]

You think there will be anything left to spend on welfare in 10 years? Relax.

 

[RonPaulMall]

It is just an utterly insane debate. I know educated Canadians and Europeans who have been waiting years to get citizenship. Can anyone even make an argument as to why we should allow in even a single low skill Mexican worker before we process all the Europeans and Canadians that are still mired in the bureaucratic hell? There seems to be one, and only one real answer- the Mexicans are poorer, stupider, far more likely to need welfare, and therefore almost certain to be Democratic Voters. That is the only rationalization. And it is sickening. So why aren't the Republicans forcing the Dems to admit it? Why not propose some sort of merit based immigration policy that puts a preference on how much the potential immigrant has to contribute and force the Dems to shoot it down. Because right now it seems like Dems are pro-immigration and Repubs are anti-immigration. That is not the case. Dems would hate immigration if it was rational or merit based. They only support irresponsible, destructive immigration policies. Force them to come clean on that.

 

[Brett85]

It is just an utterly insane debate. I know educated Canadians and Europeans who have been waiting years to get citizenship. Can anyone even make an argument as to why we should allow in even a single low skill Mexican worker before we process all the Europeans and Canadians that are still mired in the bureaucratic hell?

Rand's proposal wouldn't allow any Hispanic living here in America to cut in front of anyone who's trying to come here legally. They would have to get in the back of the line behind those who are trying to come here legally. He's not in favor of creating a new or faster path to citizenship for illegals.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Can anyone even make an argument as to why we should allow in even a single low skill Mexican worker before we process all the Europeans and Canadians that are still mired in the bureaucratic hell

I don't see why we should have these immigration restrictions. And people who work contribute to the economy, even if they're low skill, they just get paid less and we get stuff for cheaper. The only problem is the welfare state. I can sympathize with those who say "We can't open the borders with the current welfare state" but short of abolishing the welfare state (A good idea that I 100% support) we could just put a special status on incoming immigrants that lets them work here but just not receive welfare. I don't see why that would be so hard to do.

 

[itshappening]

That's going to happen even if the illegal immigrants who are here never become citizens. When we allow one million Hispanics to come here each year and become citizens, and the Hispanic population here in the U.S is reproducing at an extremely fast rate, it's going to eventually get to the point where Hispanics are a plurality or even a majority of voters. Republicans are going to have to figure out how to win over Hispanics if they want to have any chance to be a viable future party. If you want to prevent Hispanic voters from growing and taking over the U.S political system, the only policy you could support that would change that would be to force mass sterilizations by the government of every male Hispanic in America. Short of that the Hispanics are going to take over America anyway.

It's not good is it? will we ever get limited government? just look at who these people vote for in South America. Look at that idiot who's just died Chavez and now his successor has a big lead in the polls and is promising more socialism while the "right wing" candidate hasn't got a chance. I'm afraid this is the future of America. More Obama's for eternity.. or until implosion of the system.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Rand's proposal wouldn't allow any Hispanic living here in America to cut in front of anyone who's trying to come here legally. They would have to get in the back of the line behind those who are trying to come here legally. He's not in favor of creating a new or faster path to citizenship for illegals.

But he is still allowing the debate to proceed on the utterly insane Democratic terms. Why not ask a very simple question: What percentage of our total immigration slots per year should be allotted to Mexicans? Nearly all Americans would answer that question with a number somewhere below 10% and most somewhere around 5%. Democrats want it to be at least 50%, with the remainder comprised of Haitians, Colombians, and other assorted third world refugees. That is something that would horrify the majority of Americans if the Democrats came right out with it. Yet that is their policy. Why aren't we making them say it. Ask them the questions that force them to come clean. Frame the debate in a way in which we win, rather than lose. This is what Rand and everybody else in the GOP is so clueless on.

I don't see why we should have these immigration restrictions.

Agree with you, but I also don't see why we should have a Federal Government or while all property should not be privately owned. In an anarcho-capitalist society, this problem solves itself. But with the system we have, "open borders" amounts to what Hans-Hermann Hoppe refers to as "forced integration".

You should give this a read. Though he never comes straight out and says it, I am pretty sure this is the basis of Ron Paul's views on immigration:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/hermann-hoppe3.html

 

[AuH20]

But he is still allowing the debate to proceed on the utterly insane Democratic terms. Why not ask a very simple question: What percentage of our total immigration slots per year should be allotted to Mexicans? Nearly all Americans would answer that question with a number somewhere below 10% and most somewhere around 5%. Democrats want it to be at least 50%, with the remainder comprised of Haitians, Colombians, and other assorted third world refugees. That is something that would horrify the majority of Americans if the Democrats came right out with it. Yet that is their policy. Why aren't we making them say it. Ask them the questions that force them to come clean. Frame the debate in a way in which we win, rather than lose. This is what Rand and everybody else in the GOP is so clueless on.

Because they are scared to death of the Hispanic lobbying bloc and the corrupt MSM. That's why. No one has the cajones to take on these race hustlers & cultural marxists, without fear of being demonized as a racist or xenophobe. The garbage has to stop.

 

[abacabb]

That's going to happen even if the illegal immigrants who are here never become citizens. When we allow one million Hispanics to come here each year and become citizens, and the Hispanic population here in the U.S is reproducing at an extremely fast rate, it's going to eventually get to the point where Hispanics are a plurality or even a majority of voters. Republicans are going to have to figure out how to win over Hispanics if they want to have any chance to be a viable future party. If you want to prevent Hispanic voters from growing and taking over the U.S political system, the only policy you could support that would change that would be to force mass sterilizations by the government of every male Hispanic in America. Short of that the Hispanics are going to take over America anyway.

So why are we discussing how the Republicans going to survive? Screw the Republicans! How is America going to survive? How can we bring in so many immigrants and not destroy our culture and values?

If we concede that, then it is already over and it is time to start a new country.

 

[Christian Liberty]

It's not good is it? will we ever get limited government? just look at who these people vote for in South America. Look at that idiot who's just died Chavez and now his successor has a big lead in the polls and is promising more socialism while the "right wing" candidate hasn't got a chance. I'm afraid this is the future of America. More Obama's for eternity.. or until implosion of the system.

Maybe this is indirectly a good thing? How long do we want to delay the implosion? Because we can't stop it. Ron Paul was the only one who could have, and look who the GOP nominated. I'd be willing to bet that Rand will not be nominated in 2016 either...

But he is still allowing the debate to proceed on the utterly insane Democratic terms. Why not ask a very simple question: What percentage of our total immigration slots per year should be allotted to Mexicans? Nearly all Americans would answer that question with a number somewhere below 10% and most somewhere around 5%. Democrats want it to be at least 50%, with the remainder comprised of Haitians, Colombians, and other assorted third world refugees. That is something that would horrify the majority of Americans if the Democrats came right out with it. Yet that is their policy. Why aren't we making them say it. Ask them the questions that force them to come clean. Frame the debate in a way in which we win, rather than lose. This is what Rand and everybody else in the GOP is so clueless on.

How about "You don't have a right to stop people from coming into the country, only private property owners have this right"? If someone wants to employ them, who cares? Granted, I don't believe our government should be redistributing any wealth for them, or helping them, or exc. but if they want to come and work, why does it matter?

 

[AuH20]

So why are we discussing how the Republicans going to survive? Screw the Republicans! How is America going to survive? How can we bring in so many immigrants and not destroy our culture and values?

If we concede that, then it is already over and it is time to start a new country.

Our culture and values are practically dead. But these types of policies would definitely send the old jalopy over the cliff. Why stop at
2nd world status when we could embrace the third world? Am I right?

 

[abacabb]

Our culture and values are practically dead. But these types of policies would definitely send the old jalopy over the cliff. Why stop at
2nd world status when we could embrace the third world? Am I right?

Can enough Americans immigrate to Canada and just take over that country? We'll just have to deal with a parliament.

Something tells me Canadians won't sit idly by and let us do it.