Rand Paul to outline immigration policy platform on Tuesday 3/19

Imagine a United States where Texas, Virginia, North Carolina and Colorado become reliably blue????????? It's Game Over for what's left of the Constitution. That would likely equate to a solid majority in both houses as well as a stranglehold on the presidency.
 
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Imagine a United States where Texas, Virginia, North Carolina and Colorado become reliably blue????????? It's Game Over for what's left of the Constitution. That would likely equate to a solid majority in both houses as well as a stranglehold on the presidency.

Texas will remain forever red. We're going to have to flip the blue-collar midwest. Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio (which is already a dead even state). Republicans have the most to gain with white working class folks in the Midwest. Once complete, we can survive as a white party. We can get to 274 with Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and still lose North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, and Nevada.
 
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Maybe this is indirectly a good thing? How long do we want to delay the implosion? Because we can't stop it. Ron Paul was the only one who could have, and look who the GOP nominated. I'd be willing to bet that Rand will not be nominated in 2016 either...



How about "You don't have a right to stop people from coming into the country, only private property owners have this right"? If someone wants to employ them, who cares? Granted, I don't believe our government should be redistributing any wealth for them, or helping them, or exc. but if they want to come and work, why does it matter?

That is a very large statement. Many come here not to work. You cannot fix this problem until you end or drastically change the welfare/redistribution system BEFORE they are here and able to vote.
 
Texas will remain forever red. We're going to have to flip the blue-collar midwest. Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio (which is already a dead even state). Republicans have the most to gain with white working class folks in the Midwest. Once complete, we can survive as a white party. We can get to 274 with Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and still lose North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, and Nevada.


Have you been paying attention? The Republicans are ready to sell us out so that their donors can keep their cheap labor.
 
Rand's proposal wouldn't allow any Hispanic living here in America to cut in front of anyone who's trying to come here legally. They would have to get in the back of the line behind those who are trying to come here legally. He's not in favor of creating a new or faster path to citizenship for illegals.

Ok, would his proposal put their kids in the back of the line as well?
 
Have you been paying attention? The Republicans are ready to sell us out so that their donors can keep their cheap labor.


I've been aware. Texas is already almost majority-minority. It's still a Republican state by 17 points. And that's with Republicans at their worst with Hispanics. We still have white voters to gain in the Midwest.
 
That is a very large statement. Many come here not to work. You cannot fix this problem until you end or drastically change the welfare/redistribution system BEFORE they are here and able to vote.

True. I don't know the statistics of how many want to work and how many just want to get welfare, but either way, just saying "You can come but you can't get welfare" would still work.

I'm not really a utilitarian so I can't justify keeping people who want to work out just to also keep the welfare parasites out.

Imagine a United States where Texas, Virginia, North Carolina and Colorado become reliably blue????????? It's Game Over for what's left of the Constitution. That would likely equate to a solid majority in both houses as well as a stranglehold on the presidency.

Does it really matter? Is it any different than those states being reliably red? I mean, I understand why the liberty movement prefers to work with the GOP than the Dems, most people just care about the economy and on those issues we are closer to the GOP than the Dems (Althoguh reliably further than the right) but as far as a holistic picture? I hate them both equally. In fact, I preferred Obama over Romney in 2012 because I was hoping, however slim the odds, for Rand 2016, and because Obama is a little bit less aggressive toward Iran than the GOP. Granted, I was 17 and if I had been 18 I would have voted for Johnson, but in a straight up contest between the two main candidates? Mostly a wash.

It really doesn't matter. Maybe the Dems will kill America quicker. Considering that we've been an imperial empire since 1861, maybe that isn't such a bad thing?
 
In Republican primaries you need to be tough on immigration if you want to get the results Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter did in 2008.
 
Does it really matter? Is it any different than those states being reliably red? I mean, I understand why the liberty movement prefers to work with the GOP than the Dems, most people just care about the economy and on those issues we are closer to the GOP than the Dems (Althoguh reliably further than the right) but as far as a holistic picture? I hate them both equally. In fact, I preferred Obama over Romney in 2012 because I was hoping, however slim the odds, for Rand 2016, and because Obama is a little bit less aggressive toward Iran than the GOP. Granted, I was 17 and if I had been 18 I would have voted for Johnson, but in a straight up contest between the two main candidates? Mostly a wash.

It really doesn't matter. Maybe the Dems will kill America quicker. Considering that we've been an imperial empire since 1861, maybe that isn't such a bad thing?

Republicans, as bad as they are, act as a buffer to these lunatics. Once that goes, all bets are off.
 
so you don't know much at all, yet you're commenting

You're missing the point. Letting the illegals stay here is mistake. Even if they're not given amnesty and just granted legal status. They will eventually have children who will be eligible for citizenship and the problems will continue until it's too late to solve them.
 
Republicans, as bad as they are, act as a buffer to these lunatics. Once that goes, all bets are off.

Not sure exactly what that means. The least of evils right now is a divided government. But I think that the GOP establishment is every bit as "Lunatic" as the Democrats. Granted, most Tea Party types, even if not pure libertarians, are at least better. But the GOP Establishment is just as dangerous as the Dems, if not more so.
 
You're missing the point. Letting the illegals stay here is mistake. Even if they're not given amnesty and just granted legal status. They will eventually have children who will be eligible for citizenship and the problems will continue until it's too late to solve them.

How do you propose not "letting them stay"?
 
http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2524798#.UUivGxh4mJM.twitter


Some are saying Paul's plan is worse than Rubio's.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., may have studiously avoided using the word “citizenship” in his speech to the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, but granting amnesty to the 11 million illegal immigrants currently in the country today is exactly the policy end game he is supporting. BuzzFeed‘s John Stanton reports, “When asked if his plan granting work visas to the 11 million undocumented workers in the country would mean they could, eventually, become citizens, Paul said yes.”

Paul, like The National Council of La Raza, would never call his plan amnesty, but that is exactly what it is. Unlike the tens of millions of people worldwide who would like to become U.S. citizens, but are not in the country today, Paul would allow those illegally in the country now to both stay here and apply for citizenship. That is a clear ongoing violation of the rule of law.
Worse, unlike the Gang of Ocho amnesty plan endorsed by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., Paul would force Republicans to play the role border-security-bad-guys every year. The Washington Examiner‘s Byron York reports, “Under his proposal, the border would have to be verified secure by some government agency and then — this is a key step for Paul — voted on by Congress on a yearly basis.”

You don’t have to be a genius to figure out how this would turn out. Every year a majority of Republicans would vote to say the border was not secure and those who came to the country illegally should not continue down the path to citizenship. And every year every Democrat and a minority of Republicans would vote the opposite, allowing those who came illegally to advance down that path… until of course they are all sworn in as Democratic voters.

Paul’s plan would do nothing to endear the Republican party to immigrant communities, would do nothing to secure the border, and would only incentivize new waves of illegal immigrants to come to the U.S. and wait for their special, one-time-only “path to citizenship.”
 
So you think we should all have some unique ID #, and employers should be required to tell the government who works for them?
 
What if you are here legally? Should you have to prove that to someone before you're allowed to work here?
 
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