Rand Paul Responds to Ron: 'Chris Kyle Was a Hero'

[compromise]

Strike Four.


I will have a hearty "Good Riddance" for Charles Manson too.

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

 

[jmdrake]

I would find that disgusting. The answer isn't in the left right divide but in having people look beyond factions to the issues and solutions that work for this country.

Ron has ALWAYS done that.

I don't fit on either 'side,' I want answers, not circuses.

I've been thinking we're in "pincer mode" for some time. Jesse Benton goes to work for Mitch McConnell, and Benton critic Tom Woods goes to work for Ron? Rand cozies up even more to the establishment, while Ron throws off more and more restraint? It's not of "left right divide" IMO, but one of tactics. Ron dropping "truth bombs" keeps the "radical fringe" on board at least somewhat to the "Paul reVOLution" while Rand reaches out to others. There has to be something to keep the grassroots trenches engaged. Am I taking a cynical view? Maybe. But tell me it's unrealistic? I think it's less realistic to believe that Ron and Rand actually are on opposing sides of the foreign policy debate.

 

[pcosmar]

I can't say I necessarily disagree with Ron's comment. TOTALLY inappropriate though. He wasn't making some grand philosophical statement. It makes him sound like an asshole.

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword
Matthew 26:52
and also
"He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Revelation, 13:10:

No,, it is not rude nor inappropriate.

 

[sailingaway]

I seriously hope you are wrong. I agree about the direction I see Benton etc go, but I don't do pincer mode. Why would they want to turn people more against Rand with infighting intentionally?

I really doubt that idea. Ron has always said what he thinks, period.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm going to assume Rand just made a general statement about a guy in the news who died, not 'in response to Ron'. If I thought otherwise, I'd consider it a poor move.

From the OP article: Paul’s son, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) has told Breitbart News exclusively, “Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.

It sounds like Breitbart specifically contacted Rand for a statement on the tweet.

 

[sailingaway]

From the OP article: Paul’s son, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) has told Breitbart News exclusively, “Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.

It sounds like Breitbart specifically contacted Rand for a statement on the tweet.

But did they just say 'what do you think of Chris Kyle' or did they say 'your father sent out this tweet, do you agree with it or what?'

Clearly Brietbart loves factionalization here, that is nothing new.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Ron's comment, if it really was Ron, may have been inappropriate but Rand's is no less so. To call this warmongering psychopath a "hero" is beyond my understanding. As acptulsa said in one of the early posts of this thread, it would have been infinitely better to have added "...to some".

 

[Confederate]

 

[jmdrake]

I seriously hope you are wrong. I agree about the direction I see Benton etc go, but I don't do pincer mode. Why would they want to turn people more against Rand with infighting intentionally?

I really doubt that idea. Ron has always said what he thinks, period.

It's not about turning our people against Rand. It's about Rand reaching Palin's people. I'm 100% certain that Rand has said things since he first jumped into politics as a candidate that don't jive with what he believes (because they don't jive with what he previously said) for political gain. I do feel that Ron has sometimes held things back, and in this last campaign he started letting loose more. (He could have, for instance, given a better answer politically to the Osama Bin Laden raid and he could have taking his traditional approach to attacking the war on drugs without making drugs sound like a "freedom issue.") But let's assume Ron's just being Ron. That doesn't mean Rand might not be maneuvering. And if someone else tweeted this, especially someone from C4L, then I'm certain it's a pincer move. Hell, even Rand doesn't have to be in on it.

 

[sailingaway]

Ron's comment, if it really was Ron, may have been inappropriate but Rand's is no less so. To call this warmongering psychopath a "hero" is beyond my understanding. As acptulsa said in one of the early posts of this thread, it would have been infinitely better to have added "...to some".

It might have been a publicist if it was written.

I'd rather the issue died than to keep feeding it.

 

[sailingaway]

It's not about turning our people against Rand. It's about Rand reaching Palin's people. I'm 100% certain that Rand has said things since he first jumped into politics as a candidate that don't jive with what he believes (because they don't jive with what he previously said) for political gain. I do feel that Ron has sometimes held things back, and in this last campaign he started letting loose more. (He could have, for instance, given a better answer politically to the Osama Bin Laden raid and he could have taking his traditional approach to attacking the war on drugs without making drugs sound like a "freedom issue.") But let's assume Ron's just being Ron. That doesn't mean Rand might not be maneuvering. And if someone else tweeted this, especially someone from C4L, then I'm certain it's a pincer move. Hell, even Rand doesn't have to be in on it.

but all that is in your head.

I don't think Ron would manipulate people like that. He is known for honesty, directness, and believing people are entitled to straight answers. That someone at C4L might have decided on a pincer move, a horrible idea, is possible, I guess, but I can't see Ron as being in on it.

 

[jmdrake]

But did they just say 'what do you think of Chris Kyle' or did they say 'your father sent out this tweet, do you agree with it or what?'

Clearly Brietbart loves factionalization here, that is nothing new.

I dunno. Do you think neither Rand nor anyone on his staff follows Ron Paul's tweets and was aware of the controversy? I guess that's possible.

 

[sailingaway]

I dunno. Do you think neither Rand nor anyone on his staff follows Ron Paul's tweets and was aware of the controversy? I guess that's possible.

I think it could have been numerous scenarios. One, since I don't want to think Rand was trying to make hay at his Dad's expense, is that his staff was trying to show Rand had respect for the dead and just be as bland as they could without mentioning anything else. I'd have chosen different words, but his staff would have been the ones on the spot and might known no more about Kyle than I did before today. I don't like it, but I don't want to find search out bad motives where none might exist.

 

[phill4paul]

it's a very cunning plan.

It's Machiavellian bullshit. And I'm done with both Rand and Ron if this is a concerted effort. Done.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I have no problem with the statement. I do have a problem that it may have been put out by someone in Rands camp working, or a plant, causing further discord at the exact time that a Rand/Paul split is needed and using it to paint Ron in a bad light.

Interesting comment I received in a rep on RON's "tweet".

 

[jmdrake]

but all that is in your head.

I don't think Ron would manipulate people like that. He is known for honesty, directness, and believing people are entitled to straight answers. That C4L might have decided on a pincer move, a horrible idea, is possible, I guess, but I can't see Ron as being in on it.

Sure it's in my head. That's why I said "I think." And I'm not at all suggesting Ron's being dishonest. He might not have made the tweet. (I see the Facebook post from Confederate that casts doubt on that idea.) But for the sake of argument let's say he had and that he meant every word of it. Let's say he knew ahead of time how Rand would respond. That still doesn't involve a lie, at least not on Ron's part. In fact that doesn't even make what Rand said a like. I could see someone believing that Chris Kyle was a hero, and yet still believing that this was an example of "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Kyle certainly lived by the sword. And the same military machine that made him an efficient sniper allegedly gave his killer PTSD.

 

[misean]

Okay, there is zero chance that Rand Paul was not referring to his dad's quote. Zero. He got called specifically for that quote and gave a response that would make the fewest amount of waves with the groups he is trying to court.

Rand's response was good too. No one on any side should be disappointed with it.

 

[Brett85]

Full text of OP so you don't have to go to Breitbart:

Congratulations, Rand. You scored another one for the warmongers.

And YES, Liberty Eagle...I. DO. DARE.

I have no problem at all with Rand distancing himself from a statement like this. It's when he actually starts supporting different policies from Ron is when I get worried.

 

[sailingaway]

Sure it's in my head. That's why I said "I think." And I'm not at all suggesting Ron's being dishonest. He might not have made the tweet. (I see the Facebook post from Confederate that casts doubt on that idea.) But for the sake of argument let's say he had and that he meant every word of it. Let's say he knew ahead of time how Rand would respond. That still doesn't involve a lie, at least not on Ron's part. In fact that doesn't even make what Rand said a like. I could see someone believing that Chris Kyle was a hero, and yet still believing that this was an example of "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Kyle certainly lived by the sword. And the same military machine that made him an efficient sniper allegedly gave his killer PTSD.

I think that is really reaching, but you are entitled to your own belief. That orchastrated pulling emotional strings stuff is just not Ron.

 

[phill4paul]

Interesting comment I received in a rep on RON's "tweet".

I own that.