Rand Paul: I'm Not a libertarian...

[Brett85]

Again, need some sanity in this debate...

Rand's big play on drugs is doing away with mandatory minimums. Great, libertarian stance... Unfortunately, he's on an island among GOP in pushing it.

Well, we should have his back. Instead, we are excoriating him for wanting marijuana legalization decided at the state level? Come on.

He never made it clear whether he was talking about state drug laws or federal drug laws. That's the main problem that I have with his position, not that he hasn't endorsed drug legalization at the state level.

 

[speciallyblend]

What makes GJ more libertarian than Rand Paul? GJ does not support the 10th amendment to the US Constitution.

GJ will end the drug war and i call BS on your 10th amendment post, I have many reasons to support GJ over Est Rand and the corrupt gop. I am over defending Rand, end of story. you are more then welcome to move to my county,district,precinct and become a delegate. I will not, http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Pr...exico/Gary_Johnson/Views/The_Tenth_Amendment/

The gop is like a disease. It can kill you.

 

[klamath]

So you just don't view the war on drugs as being an important issue? It's not an important issue for me in my own personal life, because I've never used any drug before and don't plan on ever using them. I've never even smoked a cigarette before. I have asthma, so smoking cigarettes or smoking marijuana wouldn't be a very good idea for me. But, the drug war is important from a fiscal conservative perspective and a civil liberties perspective. This isn't some minor issue. I don't see why people are suprised that Rand is being criticized on this when this is such a fundamental issue in terms of policy.

I am not surprised at all. It is the norm. Libertarians actually have made me less of a anti drug war person. Cops, manufacturers and growers like the drug war and the money it brings. Consumers (users) lock it in place. The best way to end the drug war is for users to boycott suppliers that are getting filthy rich with astronomical prices.

 

[mad cow]

And another thing. Ron only lost in your world. Ron won where it matteres. Continues winning too.

Actually,Barrack Milhous Obama won,you could look it up.And the 18-29 age bracket voted for him by 60%, more than any other age bracket.Of course,when all of us oldsters who hate that worthless fascist bastard die off,you youngsters can live your Libertarian dream cause y'all are so overwhelmingly Libertarian and all.

 

[jct74]

maybe this has been brought up earlier in this long ass thread but do we even know for sure that Rand that said "I'm not a libertarian" right after he said “I’m not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot”? This could very well be a case of sloppy reporting or intentionally trying to insert meaning in Rand's words from the Washington Post.

“I’m not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot,” he said. “I’m not a libertarian. I’m a libertarian Republican. I’m a constitutional conservative.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ccb4-b8af-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story_1.html

Even if he did really say things in that order, maybe I should be outraged but meh... poor choice of words is a small blemish on his entire body of work.

 

[supermario21]

Gary Johnson DOES NOT support the 10th amendment. In his interview with Abby on RT she basically said "I would hate for certain states to allow bigotry" and Gary went right along with it talking about how gay marriage and abortion are federal rights.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

71 pages...lmao

 

[compromise]

GJ will end the drug war and i call BS on your 10th amendment post, I have many reasons to support GJ over Est Rand and the corrupt gop. I am over defending Rand, end of story. you are more then welcome to move to my county,district,precinct and become a delegate. I will not, http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Pr...exico/Gary_Johnson/Views/The_Tenth_Amendment/

The gop is like a disease. It can kill you.

Gary Johnson DOES NOT support the 10th amendment. In his interview with Abby on RT she basically said "I would hate for certain states to allow bigotry" and Gary went right along with it talking about how gay marriage and abortion are federal rights.

This. Gary Johnson currently supports federal gay marriage and abortion. He may be better than a lot of other politicians, but he's not even close to Rand.
That, and his lack of knowledge about the Austrian school of economics disqualifies him in my view from being a strong, pro-liberty presidential candidate.

 

[Carlybee]

Rand Paul is talking to Conservatives and many Conservatives view Libertarians as pot-head hippies. Rand Paul doesn't support being a pot-head hippie.

Except for the fact that it's an incorrect and broad statement. Is he calling his dad a pothead hippie because he was for drug legalization? It's assumptive and insulting to people who pumped a lot of money into his dad's run and who won't be so thrilled to do the same for Rand. But maybe he doesn't need funding.

 

[klamath]

Except for the fact that it's an incorrect and broad statement. Is he calling his dad a pothead hippie because he was for drug legalization? It's assumptive and insulting to people who pumped a lot of money into his dad's run and who won't be so thrilled to do the same for Rand. But maybe he doesn't need funding.

It is insulting to a lot of us that RP lied to us about his intentions for running and we paid freaking millions on "He's catching on I'm telling ya"

 

[LibertyEagle]

I am getting tired of defending Rand Paul. I will let the gop establishment defend him! Tired of the disease called the republican party. It is a proven gateway to tyranny and bigger intrusive gov. Ron Paul 2016 or GJ 2016.

The establishment doesn't like Rand.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Except for the fact that it's an incorrect and broad statement. Is he calling his dad a pothead hippie because he was for drug legalization? It's assumptive and insulting to people who pumped a lot of money into his dad's run and who won't be so thrilled to do the same for Rand. But maybe he doesn't need funding.

Ron was also a libertarian Republican; a constitutional conservative. He wasn't calling his father a damn thing.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Except for the fact that it's an incorrect and broad statement. Is he calling his dad a pothead hippie because he was for drug legalization? It's assumptive and insulting to people who pumped a lot of money into his dad's run and who won't be so thrilled to do the same for Rand. But maybe he doesn't need funding.

Rand won't be getting a dime from me. But it's not likely he would need it. I'm sure he'll get all the funding he needs from the usual GOP corporate donors.

 

[erowe1]

Except for the fact that it's an incorrect and broad statement.

It's not an incorrect and broad statement. Assuming Rand's telling the truth, and he's not a pothead nudist, it's a true statement.

Is he calling his dad a pothead hippie because he was for drug legalization?

Of course he's not.

That right there should be enough to calm people down.

 

[mad cow]

Rand won't be getting a dime from me.

Shucks.Just yesterday I was sure you were maxing out.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Rand won't be getting a dime from me. But it's not likely he would need it. I'm sure he'll get all the funding he needs from the usual GOP corporate donors.

I hope he does and quite frankly I'm not that concerned that a certain portion of the Ron faithful plan on sitting this one out as the real doers in the movement are use to picking up the slack of others. That said, I hope these sitters ARE donating to Ron's organizations on a regular basis and being active on the issues: C4L and RPI. If not, stop comparing Rand to Ron cause you're useless and this is meant as a general statement to all those who take umbrage to my line of insinuation.

 

[Carlybee]

Haha....you Rand people get butthurt much easier than the libertarians. Omg...don't dare call Rand out. Words have consequences....the consequences are that generally one is judged by those words. Now let me go light one up while running naked through the woods. Oh wait...I have a job. Maybe next week.

 

[Thor]

I have not read all these threads, so this has probably been said, but...

Rand is just casting a wider net. Which if we stand a chance of turning this sinking ship around, we need a wider support base. So I am fine with it.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I have not read all these threads, so this has probably been said, but...

Rand is just casting a wider net. Which if we stand a chance of turning this sinking ship around, we need a wider support base. So I am fine with it.

Casting a wider net doesn't usually include insulting people who might have already been IN the net.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Haha....you Rand people get butthurt much easier than the libertarians. Omg...don't dare call Rand out. Words have consequences....the consequences are that generally one is judged by those words. Now let me go light one up while running naked through the woods. Oh wait...I have a job. Maybe next week.

That's the kind of libertarian that I think he's trying to promote to encourage conservatives to come our way. BTW, tons of libertarians and even some political ancaps support Rand and his crusade.