Rand Paul: I'm Not a libertarian...

[phill4paul]

Is this serious?

Why shouldn't it be?

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Why shouldn't it be?

For starters, a lot of people here don't take Collins very seriously. How much sway would a Message From Matt have, really?

 

[phill4paul]

Makes me support Rand even more. I am F*ing glad he isn't calling himself a L. Wah wah waH he insulted us! Can't f*ing blame him the way they attack him. Ditch em.

Good. Your support remains at norm while my support slides to negative. Good job on his part. Dontcha think?

 

[sailingaway]

Ron Paul ran campaign ads in 1996 against drugs:



You see: Ron Paul ran for President with the Libertarian Party in 1988, and needed to distance himself from them somewhat to help himself politically, when he was running for the U.S. House as a non-incumbent in 1996. Sound familiar?

I know well how Rove spun the media against Ron in 1996 and would have to see actual quotes, not media characterization of what he said, but he didn't characterize people whose support he cultivates as hedonists.

 

[phill4paul]

For starters, a lot of people here don't take Collins very seriously. How much sway would a Message From Matt have, really?

Lol. +rep for that hilarious observation. I'm not sure that was who IC was thinking about. I could be wrong. But thank you for an honest gut bust. Lol.

 

[adisongrace]

It's obvious the paradigm has control of most minds
when it come to party politics. What
difference does it make if the candidate is
liberal, conservative or even communist!
if that person is the best choice for liberty
and will stand with the people we should
show them our support by voting for freedom.

However that isn't the case with Rand. L or his
new neo-con lite image still won't change the fact
he has turned his back on liberty and took the
lobbies from the elite.

the system is bought and sold to the highest bidder.
Rand knows this. He took advantage of that
while he could.

In closing the system isn't going to change
without direct action and revolt.
on the grass root level.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

You missed the point about the 19 year olds. No one said they will have MORE influence than 65+. I said, correctly, that more of the old guard is dying off and more young voters from the next generation will be taking their places. This is an obvious advantage for the freedom message.

And anyone who thinks Rand isn't watering down and undermining Ron's message is kidding themselves. Rand specifically tries to distance himself from Ron because he thinks he needs to help his own electability. My point was clearly that he doesn't need to do that and also that it hurts the message.

Yeah Rand is trampeling all over Ron's message.

 

[Brett85]

Makes me support Rand even more. I am F*ing glad he isn't calling himself a L. Wah wah waH he insulted us! Can't f*ing blame him the way they attack him. Ditch em.

So I guess you guys supported Ron even though you disagreed with his opposition to the war on drugs?

 

[FrankRep]

So I guess you guys supported Ron even though you disagreed with his opposition to the war on drugs?

I bet you that everyone here, including myself, feels the "War on Drugs" is a failure. However, it's political suicide to run on a "legalize drugs" platform.

When you get a chance, look up "Political Strategy" because I don't think you understand what "strategy" means.

 

[Brett85]

I bet you that everyone here, including myself, feels the "War on Drugs" is a failure. However, it's political suicide to run on a "legalize drugs" platform.

When you get a chance, look up "Political Strategy" because I don't think you understand what "strategy" means.

Like I said, taking a states' rights position isn't controversial, at least with marijuana. The last poll I saw showed that 60% of Republicans think that the states should have the right to legalize marijuana.

 

[FrankRep]

Like I said, taking a states' rights position isn't controversial, at least with marijuana. The last poll I saw showed that 60% of Republicans think that the states should have the right to legalize marijuana.

Rand Paul's campaign political strategists will need to analyze the data and find out it that platform plank will help or hurt him.

 

[Krzysztof Lesiak]

Yeah they ran on Reason that he was pandering to the Evangelicals saying he doesn't want to end the War on Drugs. Pathetic.

 

[AlexAmore]

There shouldn't be an intended audience. Freedom knows no bounds or
audience. Freedom is freedom no matter how you spin it.

This is extremely wrong.

So why did Ron Paul lose 3 times then? The majority of people really don't care about freedom nor understand how it works. Liberals and Liberal Republicans certainly don't understand freedom. Safety and security is very important to many people, especially old people who feel very vulnerable thanks to age.

I've studied marketing for a decade now and I'm in the business currently. The first rule of marketing is know your audience. The second rule is provide the goods to suit the audience. You're putting it the other way around as MANY MANY businesses mistakenly do constantly. You see it all the time with amateur inventors on Shark Tank who come up with an awesome idea and it works amazingly well, but there isn't a large enough market to make it profitable. They should have researched the market first, THEN invested money into the product. Then they would have known to quit the project...OR alter it.

The way this applies to the liberty movement is this:

First understand your intended audience on a given day. Then build bridges of agreement. We need them to understand we're on the same side, fighting for the same fundamental things. They want society to succeed and WE want society to succeed. So let's focus on that.

Ok so our audience research is this: The drug war is about security and safety for these people.

Our "product" is this: You will only change their minds on this once you've become one of them in their eyes. These security loving people need to know we have their interests at heart because they are OUR interests as well. Once we've gained their trust can we slowly and gradually change their perception. Anything less than that will be perceived as an "attack" on them.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I've studied marketing for a decade now and I'm in the business currently. The first rule of marketing is know your audience.

Want to know what the first rule of representation is? Never let some dolt with a .inc at the end of his name steal it from you and repatriate we the people like it's some kind of business venture. Took about two seconds to study that. Growth and survival are two entirely different phenomenon.

And another thing. Ron only lost in your world. Ron won where it matteres. Continues winning too.

 

[klamath]

So I guess you guys supported Ron even though you disagreed with his opposition to the war on drugs?

Oh I disagreed with Ron a lot but his opposition to his war on drugs wasn't one of them. Yes I supported him and Didn't hound him every time I disagreed with him.

 

[Brett85]

Oh I disagreed with Ron a lot but his opposition to his war on drugs wasn't one of them. Yes I supported him and Didn't hound him every time I disagreed with him.

So you just don't view the war on drugs as being an important issue? It's not an important issue for me in my own personal life, because I've never used any drug before and don't plan on ever using them. I've never even smoked a cigarette before. I have asthma, so smoking cigarettes or smoking marijuana wouldn't be a very good idea for me. But, the drug war is important from a fiscal conservative perspective and a civil liberties perspective. This isn't some minor issue. I don't see why people are suprised that Rand is being criticized on this when this is such a fundamental issue in terms of policy.

 

[Icymudpuppy]

For starters, a lot of people here don't take Collins very seriously. How much sway would a Message From Matt have, really?

Matt has his flaws when it comes to being a pompous know it all, but when it comes to having insider information on Rand's official campaign operations, he's been accurate.

 

[Randslide]

Again, need some sanity in this debate...

Rand's big play on drugs is doing away with mandatory minimums. Great, libertarian stance... Unfortunately, he's on an island among GOP in pushing it.

Well, we should have his back. Instead, we are excoriating him for wanting marijuana legalization decided at the state level? Come on.

 

[speciallyblend]

I am getting tired of defending Rand Paul. I will let the gop establishment defend him! Tired of the disease called the republican party. It is a proven gateway to tyranny and bigger intrusive gov. Ron Paul 2016 or GJ 2016.

 

[compromise]

I am getting tired of defending Rand Paul. I will let the gop establishment defend him! Tired of the disease called the republican party. It is a proven gateway to tyranny and bigger intrusive gov. Ron Paul 2016 or GJ 2016.

What makes GJ more libertarian than Rand Paul? GJ does not support the 10th amendment to the US Constitution.