Rand Paul dismisses Ann Coulter on immigration

[spladle]

The majority of Hispanics are pro-choice and pro-ssm.

The majority of Hispanics are pro-life and anti-ssm.

As a friendly reminder, most Hispanics do not live in the United States.

 

[spladle]

Examples please.

Carrying a baby to term - particularly an unwanted one - is SUPER inconvenient, and the right to abortion on demand improves the lives of millions of women every year.

 

[Origanalist]

Carrying a baby to term - particularly an unwanted one - is SUPER inconvenient, and the right to abortion on demand improves the lives of millions of women every year.

Factually wrong and morally repugnant.

 

[MRK]

All they need is a majority of the White vote. Want to know how to do that ? Say you'll end affirmative action and get tough on all immigration, not just illegal immigration. If any Republican ran on that platform they would win in a landslide. Many working class democrats would vote Republican.

 

[spladle]

Factually wrong and morally repugnant.

I'm assuming you object on the grounds that women's lives are not actually made better by having access to abortion on demand. Fine. How about this?

"Carrying a baby to term - particularly an unwanted one - is SUPER inconvenient, and every year, millions of women who exercise their right to abortion on demand believe at the time they make their choice that it is improving their lives."

 

[Origanalist]

I'm assuming you object on the grounds that women's lives are not actually made better by having access to abortion on demand. Fine. How about this?

"Carrying a baby to term - particularly an unwanted one - is SUPER inconvenient, and every year, millions of women who exercise their right to abortion on demand believe at the time they make their choice that it is improving their lives."

Ok.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Why would someone who fled a communist country to come to America vote Democrat? (answer is because Republicans seem like they want to put them in jail. if they didn't, it's pretty obvious they'd be for capitalism and the party of capitalism)

First, Mexico is not a Communist country. Second, history suggests that whether a country is Communist or not has little to do with their voting behavior. The prosperous upper class white Cubans who fled Castro in the 1960's vote GOP. The less white, less prosperous, lower class Cubans that immigrated more recently tend to vote Democrat. It may help around the margins (Vietnamese tend to vote GOP at slightly higher rates than other Southeast Asians) but for the most part what matters is people. The 11 million illegals in question are for the most part Mexican mestizo peasants. They and their children are guaranteed votes for the Democratic Party for decades to come.

Rand's argument here really doesn't make much sense. Even if they are here and not leaving, why should be falling all over ourselves to grant them citizenship? The only beneficiaries of that are the Democratic party.

 

[abacabb]

First, Mexico is not a Communist country. Second, history suggests that whether a country is Communist or not has little to do with their voting behavior. The prosperous upper class white Cubans who fled Castro in the 1960's vote GOP. The less white, less prosperous, lower class Cubans that immigrated more recently tend to vote Democrat. It may help around the margins (Vietnamese tend to vote GOP at slightly higher rates than other Southeast Asians) but for the most part what matters is people. The 11 million illegals in question are for the most part Mexican mestizo peasants. They and their children are guaranteed votes for the Democratic Party for decades to come.

Rand's argument here really doesn't make much sense. Even if they are here and not leaving, why should be falling all over ourselves to grant them citizenship? The only beneficiaries of that are the Democratic party.

Well, if they are on "the back of the line" for applying for citizenship, does that realistically give them a better chance to become citizens than mexicans in mexico?

My guess is that the Gang of 8 plan will just amnesty everyone anyway, regardless of whatever nuances Rand has.

 

[Antischism]

Meanwhile, a 3-to-1 margin of Hispanics say that they'd lean towards suffocating tax rates if it also meant cushier entitlement benefits, an expansion of the government dependency racket, more funding for Washington's marble-coated, bureaucratic castles and palaces, and the ever-forward march of the Messianic state.

And why wouldn't they?

Most of the parasites being imported from abroad either don't pay a single dime in estate, capital gains, or income taxes or are off the grid altogether. In other words, they've got not a lot of change to spare, chow down to their heart's delight at the buffet of taxpayer giveaways, or find ways to exploit loopholes as undocumented migrants in order to get their slice of the pie.

If you're wheeled into an emergency room, health care providers can't inquire into your citizenship status, and taxpayers are footing the bill for your overnight booking and X-Rays if you don't have insurance.

Even if you made a dash for it across open fields, burrowed under tunnels, and climbed the gates to get here, you can qualify for food stamps if you have anchor babies or eligible dependents in the household - and they can also get a free education on the public dime, their tuition reimbursed, and maybe even a low-income housing subsidy thrown into the mix.

If illegals are barred from leeching off taxpayers, why do so many voter-approved referendums that reassert precisely that get smacked down by the courts under the 14th amendment (which required a military junta pointing bayonets at the heads of recalcitrant Southerners as a prerequisite for ratification)?

Hispanics, as a whole, have few qualms with the unbridled mass murder of more than 2,000 infants every day in the womb - which, by the way, over a one-year period, is higher than the annual death toll for Jews exterminated in the Third Reich's genocidal onslaught. They have few qualms with the moral abomination that is same-sex marriage, as long as they can cash in at the welfare line.

Bush, who was one of the main spokesmen for opening up the floodgates at the border, only mustered up 40 percent of the Hispanic vote tops, and that was after he pivoted almost entirely to the Democratic side. McCain, too, suffered a bitter defeat at the polls. And Mitt Romney, for Heaven's sake, championed the same "guest worker" programs that Rand does - even going so far to say that engineering and science degrees for intellectually gifted illegals should be paper-clipped to a green card. He only garnered 20 percent of the Hispanic vote.

When are Republicans going to learn that Hispandering is the lost cause of the century, and that the only way to save themselves from their own demographic demise is to impose a strict immigration moratorium - something Rand Paul screamed from the mountaintops only three or four years ago, back in the days when he said we should have helicopter stations and electric minefields at the border?

Please don't sell out on us, Rand. You have everything to lose by doing so. Put this site on your RSS feed, crack those knuckles, and start studying like a madman.

Your ignorant post reminded me of this:

 

[wormyguy]

The majority of Hispanics are pro-life and anti-ssm.

As a friendly reminder, most Hispanics do not live in the United States.

I wouldn't be quite so certain of that; most Spanish-speaking countries are VERY divided on religious matters (as in, violently so at times).

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Ann is insane. We do NOT want her on our side. Having her side with us is BAD.

I thought you were all about opening up the Big Tent?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

It's a big issue with Hispanic voters. That's the point. The Republican Party is going to be a permanent minority party if they can't figure out a way to reach out to Hispanics.

Well, they started as a fringe 3rd party. I have no problem with them returning to that status if they don't want to fix their numerous failings.

 

[spladle]

I wouldn't be quite so certain of that; most Spanish-speaking countries are VERY divided on religious matters (as in, violently so at times).

What you are saying is not in conflict with what I am saying.

 

[RonPaulMall]

I think immigration has become too taboo, and I don't think you can run on an anti-immigration platform anymore no matter what majority agrees with it. Being anti-immigration is just seen as racist, and fiscal conservatism will solve most problems potentially created by immigration in the first place.

It is somewhat taboo, and that is because the left has worked tirelessly with their allies in the MSM to make it so. And they have expanded so much energy on this for a reason. The left is not stupid. And the only way to break down the taboo is for prominent people to defy it. Now maybe you are right that it shouldn't be GOP politicians doing the legwork on that. Leave it up to people like Coulter or hopefully spokespeople of a little higher caliber. But whether they speak out on it or not, at the very least they better understand it.

As I've pointed out before, you don't even have to be outwardly opposed to immigration at all to effectively block the Democrats plan. Come out with a immigration plan of your own that is as pro-GOP as theirs is pro-Dem. Propose an immigration reform bill that orders immigration slots by IQ and skills. That would change the dynamic of the debate from "pro immigration" vs "no immigration" to "low wage, high crime, low IQ immigration" vs "financially secure, non-criminal, high skill, high IQ immigration". Guess who wins that battle?

 

[BAllen]

It's obvious Rand is not ready for prime time. Immigration reform is not a big issue with the American people. The only place where it is, in elite circles in Washington DC. Rand is supposed to be anti elitist.

On Laura Ingraham today a caller tried to defend Rand's position on immigration. Congress must vote every year to verify the border is secure. Laura fired back that if Nancy Pelosi becomes speaker the border will be voted secured and the Democrats will have 11 million new voters. She hung up on the caller and all but dismissed Rand as a lightweight.

Right! Rand is an idiot for ignoring that fact.

 

[WhistlinDave]

I have to say, having lived in Southern California all my life, this widely believed stereotype among Republicans that Mexicans are lazy, don't want to work, and want to leach off the government, is (for the vast majority of them) simply not true. Most of the illegals that do work use someone else's SS# for obtaining employment and they pay taxes. You need hard work done? Physical work? Grueling work? The Mexicans are the first ones in line willing to work. It is patently unfair to characterize these people as lazy. At least from what I've seen in my 43 years, living in a part of the US where as a white individual I'm a minority.

The fraudulent people I've seen using food stamps (well these days it's a debit card) in the grocery store, while dripping in jewelry and driving a $60,000 Mercedes, are invariably white. Every single one. (Again, I don't mean to stereotype people. I'm just stating what I have personally observed.)

I think people need to first get over the prejudice--and by that I mean truly pre-judgement, not necessarily racial but often socioeconomic--that comes from inaccurate stereotypes. Then they can open their eyes and realize the problem isn't going away, and continuing to take a hard line on this issue is NOT going to help anyone or anything. Least of all the GOP's chances in 2016.

Just my two cents.

 

[abacabb]

I have to say, having lived in Southern California all my life, this widely believed stereotype among Republicans that Mexicans are lazy, don't want to work, and want to leach off the government, is (for the vast majority of them) simply not true. Most of the illegals that do work use someone else's SS# for obtaining employment and they pay taxes. You need hard work done? Physical work? Grueling work? The Mexicans are the first ones in line willing to work. It is patently unfair to characterize these people as lazy. At least from what I've seen in my 43 years, living in a part of the US where as a white individual I'm a minority.

The fraudulent people I've seen using food stamps (well these days it's a debit card) in the grocery store, while dripping in jewelry and driving a $60,000 Mercedes, are invariably white. Every single one. (Again, I don't mean to stereotype people. I'm just stating what I have personally observed.)

I think people need to first get over the prejudice--and by that I mean truly pre-judgement, not necessarily racial but often socioeconomic--that comes from inaccurate stereotypes. Then they can open their eyes and realize the problem isn't going away, and continuing to take a hard line on this issue is NOT going to help anyone or anything. Least of all the GOP's chances in 2016.

Just my two cents.

I've seen all races on welfare. It's just especially infuriating when the personal on welfare is Israeli, Albanian, Vietnamese, Ecuadorian and etcetera and they don't even speak english. Why do Americans work hard so someone can come from half way across the world to mooch of us? I don't approve of a "social safety net" but some people out there don't realize that what we have is an international social safety net.

Having a hard time in Ukraine? Find a far flung U.S. relative to sponsor you, get to America and go on welfare. It's insane. Again, not all immigrants do this, but NO immigrants should be doing it at all. A social safety net has no purpose if it people from other societies, who should ideally be looking after their own, can take advantage of it.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

A social safety net has no purpose if it people from other societies, who should ideally be looking after their own, can take advantage of it.

"A social safety net" is, in fact, nothing more than a malicious verbal obfuscation of reality, a comforting and completely dishonest euphemism, in short: a lie. "A social safety net" are the lying words which lying people use to label the practice more honestly described as "massive institutionalized theft". Or we could justly call it "the dole, by gunpoint," or "the destruction of all values of industry, independence, and private property."

"A social safety net" indeed. Don't make me sick.

 

[abacabb]

"A social safety net" is, in fact, nothing more than a malicious verbal obfuscation of reality, a comforting and completely dishonest euphemism, in short: a lie. "A social safety net" are the lying words which lying people use to label the practice more honestly described as "massive institutionalized theft". Or we could justly call it "the dole, by gunpoint," or "the destruction of all values of industry, independence, and private property."

"A social safety net" indeed. Don't make me sick.

I'm not pro-welfare at all, but its detractors will say "we need a safety net." But, does that safety net apply to every human being in existence? It's just insane forced charity. If you feel bad about poor people in another country, then you go do something about it. People don't understand the ramifications of an equal distribution of wealth. The world is hella poor.

 

[William R]

Senate GOP: Gang of Eight Deal Could Cost Trillions in Welfare

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...eform-could-trillions-in-entitlement-increase


Rand, you really fuggged up!!