Rand Paul Confronted on Mitt Romney Endorsement by wearechange

im not so worked up about it. sometimes you need a guy to do some dirty work. i think more people are upset because they wanted him to be another Ron Paul or another never wavering focal point for our movement and he clearly wont be hell just be another part of the revolution machine (a big part but still only a part). people are upset because of his potential kind of like people have a special hate for NFL hyped up draft picks that turn out to be busts but dont really care if the 7th rounder doesnt make the team. it doesnt mean he wont or cant help us get the ball rolling which is the hardest part but once its actually rolling we can have more of us Hard Core's out there really making changes. theres a saying the hardest part of any journey is the first step, were still getting this first step stop being so hysterical and move on do what YOU think you need to do to and Rand will do what he thinks he needs to do.
 
One more time. The aide said he had just gotten out of a meeting and she was briefing him on some things. I would assume before his next meeting.

Have you never had a high-pressure job? I have. Rand was nicer than I would have been. :p

Yes, I have had a high pressure job, but I wasn't taking extortion money to do it.
 
the problem is... rand by even quietly getting on the rolling romney (admittedly RINO) bandwagon has
agreed to back the GOP nominee & he cannot simply make off the cuff remarks that could accentuate
president barack h. obama's fall campaign like ole joltin' jim bunning in his kentucky~wise political prime.
could we keep in mind that if jim bunning had won the 2010 senate race he'd have been where rand is,
and that jim bunning was well known on capital hill for giving an unvarnished piece of his mind to all cub
reporters? jim bunning would have spent 2 to 5 minutes doing a very quotable video clip. rand held back.
jim bunning's press clippings adds a further dimention to this as rand's votes have been more edgy than
the retired senator even if most of rand's have been almost identical to the way he may have voted!!!(if)
 
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im not so worked up about it. sometimes you need a guy to do some dirty work. i think more people are upset because they wanted him to be another Ron Paul or another never wavering focal point for our movement and he clearly wont be hell just be another part of the revolution machine (a big part but still only a part). people are upset because of his potential kind of like people have a special hate for NFL hyped up draft picks that turn out to be busts but dont really care if the 7th rounder doesnt make the team. it doesnt mean he wont or cant help us get the ball rolling which is the hardest part but once its actually rolling we can have more of us Hard Core's out there really making changes. theres a saying the hardest part of any journey is the first step, were still getting this first step stop being so hysterical and move on do what YOU think you need to do to and Rand will do what he thinks he needs to do.

No. The problem is that Rand is not a libertarian, so we're getting a watered down conservative "Bush Lite" approach, and Ron Paul supporters know far better. Bob Barr was for small government too. So were a few other congress people. But you don't see us rallying around these guys. Why? Principles. They actually matter.
 
WeAreLame

What a mature start to your post....

This guy phrases his question with, "We know you're playing politics, but tell us...." and you expect Rand to submit to a taped conversation with someone like that?? knowing full well the bias intent of the guy who will control the selective editing of the video?

What selective editing of the video - I haven't noticed any selective editing on any of the videos? Perhaps you could point out evidence for this claim before making accusations.

I'm pretty indifferent to the whole 'truth movement', I don't particularly follow the whole Alex Jones-Bildeberger saga. I'm more interested in Austrian Economics and the philosophy of liberty than the "IT'S A CONSPIRACY!" side. I don't have anything against them, in fact, I feel that they're an ally.

I fail to see, though, the harm in WeAreChange and Alex Jones, nor do I feel that they have any alterior motive. I think that Luke Radowski (sp?) is merely a college kid with a camera trying to make a name for himself in a field that he's passionate about. He hasn't violated the non-agression principle, so what's the problem? In fact, suggesting that he has a 'bias intent' seems pretty similar to those who cry "Conspiracy!".

Plus, Rand has already talked to this guy several times

Has he? There's that brief video from two years ago, but I can't find any other ones. I'm happy to be corrected so perhaps you would post the videos to support the claim that they've conversed "several times".

and knows full well the attack mode that he, Kokesh and Alex Jones are all in.

Laughable. No offence but to say Adam Kokesh is in an 'attack mode' is ridiculous. You don't think politicians should be held to account? You don't think it's okay to disagree with Rand's endorsement? Get rid of the emotive language, Adam Kokesh eloquently presented his distaste with Rand. It's not an 'attack' to disagree with someone. I don't know about WeAreChange other than this video but I'll agree with you that Alex Jones seems in a bit of an attack mode - he seems to have gone out his way to blaming everyone and anyone, including Ron Paul himself, for this endorsement and overstate his outrage and generally kick up more of a fuss than it's worth.

Also, I don't see how you can group Adam Kokesh in with Alex Jones and WeAreChange. Adam has a completely different style and the subject which he focuses on is completely different. Adam Kokesh isn't a truther, he's an ancap (not mutually exclusive, I know, but the content of Adam Versus The Man is about the voluntarist philosophy and current affairs, not the "exposing the NWO"). In fact, I would suggest that Adam is more comparable to Stefan Molyneux and the folks at FreeTalkLive than Alex Jones and WeAreChange.

Folks, hate to break it to you, but there is a whole industry making money in the conspiracy peddling world. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy listening to Coast to Coast AM as much as the next guy, but don't form your world view from these people.

Well, thanks for the words of wisdom o wise sage.

If you want to engage in the political process to advocate for rule-of-law and constitutional principles, take note: Distancing yourself from people motivated purely by pushing a grand conspiracy narrative intersecting all aspects of life, will be one of the wisest things you'll ever do.

....and support those who endorse tyranny? I'm no conspiracy theorist, but that doesn't mean I find them anything but harmless. Slightly deluded, a bit caught up and gullible - yes - but at least they don't try and deny me my right to self-ownership. The same cannot be said for policians like Rand and Romney.


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If you think these guys should be leading a political movement, you probably need a very long vacation.

I think you should take a vacation yourself - to PorcFest where you can meet Adam and air your complaints to his face. Btw, he is a reasonable gent who enjoys debate so don't be put off by his arms.
 
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You still support Rand despite his endorsement of Romney. May I remind you that Romney is a big government candidate? He supports NDAA, the Drones, big taxes, Wall Steet Cronyism, illegal wars and the counterfeiters of the Federal Reserve. An endorsement of Romney is an endorsement of the violent gang calling themselves the government.

Your steadfast defence of Rand is condoning the endorsement of violence so don't even try pull the 'violence' card. Because it was a small vocal minority of irrational idiots who posted things like that. You could count them on one hand. I oppose Rand's endorsement, as do the majority of liberty activists. The tone of you posts (not just this one but I've been going through your post history, it is a common theme) are trying to paint the R3VOLUTION as violent thugs who threatened Rand. We're not. Just because we have integrity, principles and aren't willing to compromise on our values because we understand that those who stand for nothing will sell-out for anything - doesn't mean that we are violent and hypocritical towards those who would rather sell out.

Yes, there were a few prats who hurled abuse and let their emotions get in the way of them. They are a minority. The majority of individuals in the R3VOLUTION are disgusted at this betrayal and have questioned Rand is a civil manner. You seem put off by the fact that liberty-minded folk will hold supposed allies to account. Well I've got news for you, we do this because we are fighting for something worth fighting for. Liberty.

How much compromise is acceptable for you?

Bingo, head on the nail, hit.
 
No, it's not tangent at all. Rand actually is the one who stopped the forthcoming sanction from, in any way, being seen as authorizing war with Iran. If you want to disagree with him on that, fine. Just like I disagreed with Ron on some of his votes. But, I never ever went around calling him a traitor.
You really fail.

sanctions =pre-emptive acts of war
 
heck... i was despairing about our dearth of talent looming for 2016 and i thought to run matt collins as a traditional
favorite son who'd be hopefully honest and sworn to bow out to dr. ron paul at the next gop shindig after tampa. just
four or five or six regional candidates like adam kokesh & matt collins or maybe even alex jones could hand dr. ron paul
delegates and a nomination on a silver platter with far less physical effort by he as we stay together and build on 2012.
 
heck... i was despairing about our dearth of talent looming for 2016 and i thought to run matt collins as a traditional
favorite son who'd be hopefully honest and sworn to bow out to dr. ron paul at the next gop shindig after tampa. just
four or five or six regional candidates like adam kokesh & matt collins or maybe even alex jones could hand dr. ron paul
delegates and a nomination on a silver platter with far less physical effort by he as we stay together and build on 2012.

Have you considered running yourself? There's a thread in the '2012 Candidates' subforum talking about the need more activists in the R3VOLUTION to stand up and run themselves. If you reckon you would be suitable, then absolutely go for it. You would have the backing of this movement. If you don't think others would do a good job, maybe you should lead by example and run yourself?
 
if i run up here near boston and matt collins runs in tennessee as adam kokesh runs in the four corners area
as john dennis runs in and near 'frisco, we might emerge with delegates! if more of us do this and cut loose
our delegates that we have carefully hand-picked to doctor ron paul, we might be a big block of delegates!!!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNWOkGBFYyw

Please watch and share.

Around 330-5 in.

Very condescending

No it wasn't. He's right. Most of us don't scream obscenities, threaten, and/or call the Pauls traitors. Rand's work in the Senate is more important than any endorsement ever will be.

ETA: I don't like that he endorsed Obamney. I wish he hadn't endorsed anyone and I'm not sure why he felt the need to. Were people asking him? I also wish he were as anti-interventionist and principled as Ron, but he's not. Ron is great. Rand is good.

When Romney loses in Nov., Rand will be at the top of my list for POTUS 2016.
 
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say what you want but this is real journalism, you won't see this on fox, cnn, msnbc, abc. It's really painful to watch Rand dodge this interview.

How many times do they have to do it? Now they're just following him around asking the same shit he has already answered and then pretending he is bad because he won't answer questions he has already answered.
 
He might be trying to broaden his support but at the same time he lost A LOT of support from his core supporters that got him to where he is today, at facevalue, he sold out. If he was to run for president in 2016, where is he going to get the support? The liberty movement?

Lol he didn't sell out. And he gained far more sheeple GOP voters than liberty voters he lost. Playing the "where will his support come from? It's all gone." card doesn't jive with reality.
 
say what you want but this is real journalism, you won't see this on fox, cnn, msnbc, abc. It's really painful to watch Rand dodge this interview.

Is this painful for you as well (@3:57). Or is Rudowski's hot dog going down too easy for you?

 
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This "interview" is obnoxious. The woman with Rand explicitly offers to set up a real interview, you know, one that doesn't interfere with Rand's schedule because it's on his schedule, and isn't some douche stalking him as he walks down the street trying to have a conversation with his peer, and the "interviewer" claims that Rand won't do an interview with him. So he's following Rand... attempting to get an interview... is offered an interview... and refuses to schedule an interview... and claims that Rand isn't willing to do an interview. Makes tons of sense to me!
 
The nonrepublican freedom fighters who possess neither the tact nor the decorum to even get a slightest part of their platform passed in the current political environment.

Tact and Decorum ain't this Board's strong suit. It is politically CONVENIENT to pretend that I ARRIVED here speaking the way I do now, but it ain't CORRECT. Who WOULD do that? Who COULD? I'da been banned lickety-split.

This Board is NOTORIOUS...as in, people TALK about it and NOT in a flattering way...for having a critical mass of Internal Heavyweights who are as impudent, arrogant and disrespectful as they are inexperienced, gullible and unrealistic.

I know, I know . . . respect has to be EARNED. Which is why "we" are now rationalizing DEAL-MAKING WITH BAD GUYS. We WORKED to be this close to Corruption.

As for playing paddy-cake, footsie, back-scratch and bend-over to "get ahead", the SUCK UP way has catapulted PLENTY of Aspirants into office without securing even ONE stated objective. Other than GETTING INTO OFFICE.
 
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