Rand Paul Campaign Manager Signs Up With Marco Rubio

[fr33]

From one losing campaign to another that doesn't even share the same principles at all. Working for political campaigns is apparently no different than being panhandler on the street. I'd rather be a 2 dollar whore than be Chip Englander.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Rand had a competent campaign staff? Fooled me. These professionals stole millions from us for Rand to run a dud campaign that was doomed from the start.

Do you have any evidence (like campaign financial disclosures) that any of Rand's staff were being paid more than the going rate in the business?

...or are you just assuming that they were doing something unethical, because the campaign didn't go as well as you'd hoped?

 

[PaleoPaul]

I don't get it. I mean, I can stomach him jumping to Team Cruz or Team Carson. I still wouldn't like it, but at least Cruz is SEMI-close to Rand's stances. Rubio, on the other hand...WTF?!

 

[PaleoPaul]

I'm sorry, but after 10 years of being shafted by the establishment neocons, I have little room in my heart and mind for anyone who willingly works to help them. As far as I'm concerned, both Vince Harris and Chip Englander are traitors. Like the saying goes: you're either with or you're against us. They've made their choice.

Vince Harris is a Southern Baptist, so Ted Cruz is a good fit for him. I'll let that one slide.

However, Chip going to Team Marco...that's a slap in the face. I'm sure Rand is pissed.

This is WORSE than Jesse Benton.

 

[CPUd]

From one losing campaign to another that doesn't even share the same principles at all. Working for political campaigns is apparently no different than being panhandler on the street. I'd rather be a 2 dollar whore than be Chip Englander.

Yeah, sort of. A trial lawyer will advocate vigorously for a client in an attempt to get the jurors to vote a certain way. The lawyer doesn't necessarily believe the narrative he constructs of the client, but (a good lawyer) will usually be able to sell it nonetheless. Even a lawyer will usually hire another lawyer to represent him, because there are certain disadvantages to arguing his own case that stem from being emotionally invested to the client's narrative.

 

[fr33]

Ok, please explain to me how the campaign held back the grassroots. Details please, I don't recall them doing anything to hold us back.

If the campaign = the candidate; then supporting the Iran nuclear deal, Snowden immunity, and legalizing marijuana to name a few. There are probably more that I'm not remembering but these positions against all of the above seem to have dampened his support from the grassroots.

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

I don't get it. I mean, I can stomach him jumping to Team Cruz or Team Carson. I still wouldn't like it, but at least Cruz is SEMI-close to Rand's stances. Rubio, on the other hand...WTF?!

Hey, at least Rubio voted for Audit the Fed unlike Cruz

 

[fr33]

Yeah, sort of. A trial lawyer will advocate vigorously for a client in an attempt to get the jurors to vote a certain way. The lawyer doesn't necessarily believe the narrative he constructs of the client, but (a good lawyer) will usually be able to sell it nonetheless. Even a lawyer will usually hire another lawyer to represent him, because there are certain disadvantages to arguing his own case that stem from being emotionally invested to the client's narrative.

Give me a break. Even lawyers are more respectable than neocon campaign managers. We can agree that everyone deserves a fair trial. But we won't agree if you think that neocon globalists like Rubio deserves campaign help or that those who help him are respectable at all.

 

[trey4sports]

Just goes to show that the only one who can be trusted to run liberty-movement campaigns is the Collins.

 

[puppetmaster]

I don't get it. I mean, I can stomach him jumping to Team Cruz or Team Carson. I still wouldn't like it, but at least Cruz is SEMI-close to Rand's stances. Rubio, on the other hand...WTF?!

these are just jobs to these guys...they want a paycheck not liberty.

 

[nobody's_hero]

well, the joke's on Rubio. I don't know of anyone who makes the decision to support a candidate based on who they have on their staff roster.

The logic behind hiring on a Rand Paul staffer so that Rubio can try to tap into the libertarian vote, defies . . . logic.

 

[invisible]

well, the joke's on Rubio. I don't know of anyone who makes the decision to support a candidate based on who they have on their staff roster.

The logic behind hiring on a Rand Paul staffer so that Rubio can try to tap into the libertarian vote, defies . . . logic.

The rube didn't hire a Rand staffer, Rand hired a rube operative as a staffer. Wouldn't this be the guy responsible for turning out all those students in IA to supposedly vote for Rand, who mysteriously voted for the rube instead? Yeah, this news is really surprising, isn't it? He's simply being further rewarded for the well done job that he did on Rand's campaign in IA.

 

[devil21]

The rube didn't hire a Rand staffer, Rand hired a rube operative as a staffer. Wouldn't this be the guy responsible for turning out all those students in IA to supposedly vote for Rand, who mysteriously voted for the rube instead? Yeah, this news is really surprising, isn't it? He's simply being further rewarded for the well done job that he did on Rand's campaign in IA.

That actually is the most logical/reasonable explanation in the thread imo, especially given those tweets posted. Like I said, playing the inside-the-beltway game isn't going to work.

 

[Erazer]

Every campaign has this kind of staffer, including every campaign doing better than Rand did.

Oh, and Iowa 10K was all Doug Stafford's idea. Englander was a meh campaign manager but he wasn't in charge.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Just leave it to the "professionals" they said.....lol.

All you "true believer" kooks need to stay away, they said...LOL

 

[Anti Federalist]

Just goes to show that the only one who can be trusted to run liberty-movement campaigns is the Collins.

Thread winner.

 

[Jan2017]

Give me a break. Even lawyers are more respectable than neocon campaign managers. We can agree that everyone deserves a fair trial. But we won't agree if you think that neocon globalists like Rubio deserves campaign help or that those who help him are respectable at all.

Just goes to show that the only one who can be trusted to run liberty-movement campaigns is the Collins.

these are just jobs to these guys...they want a paycheck not liberty.

The rube didn't hire a Rand staffer, Rand hired a rube operative as a staffer. . . .

Like the assassin . . . (from 4:00 min mark on)
"What I do is not a bad occupation, someone is always willing to pay"
"There is no need to believe in either side - or any side - there is no cause - there is only yourself"


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[William Tell]

Good people don't work for candidates like Kasich or Rubio.

Or McConnell?

 

[K466]

That's a pretty pathetic outlook. You expect people with libertarians to only work with and associate with those who share their beliefs? If that's the case, why was Rand Paul trying to expand beyond the GOP base instead of just sticking to his crowd? You don't get hired based on just your beliefs. MSNBC and FOX certainly don't screen applicants for their political beliefs- that I know from experience.

So just to make sure, you never do any business with non-libertarians and you've certainly never worked for any non-libertarians, correct? Because every dollar you spend is a vote and every hour you give to an employer who is not a libertarian just furthers their cause, right?

Guys, if you can go campaign for a supposedly libertarian candidate then jump to campaign for a total statist, you are a person of little or no principle and not a friend of liberty.

I (probably?) work for a non-libertarian and that's irrelevant- my boss is not running a statist campaign... he is in the business of voluntarily selling products and services to thousands of individuals. If I go take a job at the Brookings Institution then you can call me a hypocrite.

This whole "just trying to make a living" argument has the same foul odor of "just following orders" and other excuses used to explain working for evil causes.

Rand had competent staff, professionals, and now they're moving onto their next job.

That's not obvious. The campaign started with strong polling and rode it down to oblivion.

 

[CPUd]

Guys, if you can go campaign for a supposedly libertarian candidate then jump to campaign for a total statist, you are a person of little or no principle and not a friend of liberty.

I (probably?) work for a non-libertarian and that's irrelevant- my boss is not running a statist campaign... he is in the business of voluntarily selling products and services to thousands of individuals. If I go take a job at the Brookings Institution then you can call me a hypocrite.

This whole "just trying to make a living" argument has the same foul odor of "just following orders" and other excuses for evil actions of the state.



That's not obvious. The campaign started with strong polling and rode it down to oblivion.

The majority of these guys and the majority of the electorate have a different notion of good and evil than the majority of people who post on RPFs.