Rand on Fox now, wants more aid to Israel and Ukraine???

[jurgs01]

Fight the NEOCONs Rand!

We all shouldn't underestimate the difficulty that navigating the den of lions to the presidency presents. That said, I would rather Rand go down swinging on the foreign aid issue than try and appease the NEOCONs.

He tried to avoid the foreign aid issue by saying that we should create a joint venture and "invest" in Iron Dome for our own use. It is obvious that he is fundamentally opposed to aid, but he is trying to walk a tightrope that is unnecessary. Just say "I am opposed to all foreign aid. Israel, like any other sovereign nation, has the right to defend itself as they see fit." Winning answer without compromising principles.

 

[Carlybee]

Everytime someone says "Oh he's just playing the game" what it translates into is "He is lying for political gain". How stupid do you think people are?

 

[Crashland]

Everytime someone says "Oh he's just playing the game" what it translates into is "He is lying for political gain". How stupid do you think people are?

Very stupid, on average.

 

[CaptUSA]

Everytime someone says "Oh he's just playing the game" what it translates into is "He is lying for political gain". How stupid do you think people are?

 

[juleswin]

Everytime someone says "Oh he's just playing the game" what it translates into is "He is lying for political gain". How stupid do you think people are?

Obama did the same thing, lied about so many things and when he got into the office, did the opposite. Why cant we do the same thing? You don't exactly act like a saint when you are trying to win the mob election.

 

[Brett85]

Everytime someone says "Oh he's just playing the game" what it translates into is "He is lying for political gain". How stupid do you think people are?

Pretty stupid. They voted to elect President Obama twice.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

He tried to avoid the foreign aid issue by saying that we should create a joint venture and "invest" in Iron Dome for our own use. It is obvious that he is fundamentally opposed to aid, but he is trying to walk a tightrope that is unnecessary. Just say "I am opposed to all foreign aid. Israel, like any other sovereign nation, has the right to defend itself as they see fit." Winning answer without compromising principles.

Yeah, that's what I heard. Bolling was pushing the questions, and Rand was turning it around into reasonable answers. He was talking about Iron Dome being a development project that the US could benefit from. I didn't hear Rand say anything about "more" or additional aid. Just some aid. Could be less aid than is going over there today. (Bolling is the one who said additional, not Rand.)

In the end, Bolling did get Rand to say that he supported aid to the Ukraine, but it wasn't Rand's first choice in answering the question. Of course the question is framed as "will you stand up to Putin"? "Standing up to Putin" is part of the neoconservatives Holy Trinity, alongside of "Israel first" and "crush Iran".

I would be more comfortable with a response of "we are broke, and I favor reductions in all foreign aid." And "the situation in Ukraine is a mess, and given the terrible disaster that occurred last week, sending weapons into the Ukraine is probably not the best option right now." Rand did talk about European partners helping with the situation, and those who keep up with events know that Germany and France had pushed for peace and a cease fire in Ukraine. The Obama Administration gave the Ukraine the ok to start bombing it's own people, which lead to the airline disaster. So working with Germany would be an improvement on this issue.

And my own commentary on the Ukraine is that it is the people of eastern Ukraine that are defending themselves from the Keiv government, not the other way around. Bombs are not falling on Kiev. Tanks and artillery are not attacking Kiev.

 

[tsai3904]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/36978139...deo+(Internal+-+Video+-+Latest)#sp=show-clips

2:20 mark for the Israel question, in which Rand affirms his support for increased funding for Israel's defense.

3:20 mark for the Ukraine question, in which Rand affirms his support for sending Ukraine weapons and monetary aid.

Not happy with these comments and it does seem like there's been a shift in his views. He's always been for sanctions and his support for Israel has been questionable but I can't think of another instance of Rand supporting sending aid or weapons to another country like he wants to do with Ukraine. People in Kentucky should absolutely call him out on these positions.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

Emergency wartime aid to a regime in Ukraine that is only in power because of a CIA-backed coup that involved arming actual Nazis. All so NATO can have access to the natural gas pipelines of central and eastern Ukraine. What is going on?

GO DEMOCRACY!

Deal with the situation as it stands. If we're judging policy based on dastardly deeds of past generations, Congress should vote to abolish every state west of Georgia and give them back to the Indians.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Obama did the same thing, lied about so many things and when he got into the office, did the opposite. Why cant we do the same thing? You don't exactly act like a saint when you are trying to win the mob election.

How did that work out for everyone?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Politicians gonna politik. Let me know when the revolution starts.

 

[mac_hine]

Rand is like an insecure teenager trying to gain favor with the "cool" kids by engaging in under age drinking (supporting sanctions) and smoking pot (supporting foreign aid). These are gateway drugs that'll only result in him getting into the harder stuff. (neoconservatism)

He's missing out on huge opportunity here. The country is slowly waking up to the ideas of noninterventionism. His farther got this ball rolling. It's time for him to drop this BS pragmatic posturing, show a little backbone, and stand up for what's right.

I don't see that happening though.

 

[RonPaulMall]

These are situations that concern friendly countries in crisis. Sending emergency military aid to someone under attack is not the same as keeping them on the payroll for centuries. We can all agree that propping up a dictator with tax dollars in exchange for oil rights or aggression against other countries is a bad idea. Emergency wartime aid is definitely a debatable issue, but a separate one.

Kiev are the ones attacking, not the ones being attacked. And their indiscriminate shelling of Eastern Ukraine has claimed nearly a thousand lives already. Ron would never betray his conscience like that just to suck up to the neocon crowd.

 

[phill4paul]

Politicians gonna politik. Let me know when the revolution starts.

This ^^^. With Rand I feel like he is "better than most." But that it not saying a whole lot.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

This ^^^. With Rand I feel like he is "better than most." But that it not saying a whole lot.

+rep

 

[specsaregood]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/36978139...deo+(Internal+-+Video+-+Latest)#sp=show-clips

2:20 mark for the Israel question, in which Rand affirms his support for increased funding for Israel's defense.

3:20 mark for the Ukraine question, in which Rand affirms his support for sending Ukraine weapons and monetary aid.

Uhm, I just listened to it.
@ the 2:20 mark. are you referring to the part where he says "uh yeah, I've seen the iron dome system firsthand" then later says he has proposed we might be able to have such a system in the US. Then at the end says it is a good idea to work together. I don't see that as him affirming increasing aid to them for the project.

@ the 3:20 mark that one is a big more disappointing. he says he has "been in favor of helping the Ukrainian people with arms or monetary support." I don't like that one bit; but its a bit nebulous. I'd like to hear specifically what he is in favor of because neither of those have been in his proposals he has made publically. If it just means selling them arms or monetary support meaning trade deals, that would be fine with me and still count as a factual statement.

In neither bit did he actually say he wants to give more aid to either country; but rather did his usual tightrope walking and obfuscation.

 

[jjdoyle]

Uhm, I just listened to it.
@ the 2:20 mark. are you referring to the part where he says "uh yeah, I've seen the iron dome system firsthand" then later says he has proposed we might be able to have such a system in the US. Then at the end says it is a good idea to work together. I don't see that as him affirming increasing aid to them for the project.

@ the 3:20 mark that one is a big more disappointing. he says he has "been in favor of helping the Ukrainian people with arms or monetary support." I don't like that one bit; but its a bit nebulous. I'd like to hear specifically what he is in favor of because neither of those have been in his proposals he has made publically. If it just means selling them arms or monetary support meaning trade deals, that would be fine with me and still count as a factual statement.

In neither bit did he actually say he wants to give more aid to either country; but rather did his usual tightrope walking and obfuscation.

He also said, "So yeah, I think it's a good joint effort." The current joint effort is us giving them a few hundred million dollars for it:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.578916

And this was the most recent piece I saw on searching:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...sh-triple-israels-iron-dome-aid-576-million-0

 

[specsaregood]

He also said, "So yeah, I think it's a good joint effort." The current joint effort is us giving them a few hundred million dollars for it:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.578916

I have a hunch that the joint effort is more than just the money; such as technology sharing and implementation experience.

And this was the most recent piece I saw on searching:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...sh-triple-israels-iron-dome-aid-576-million-0

Wake me when Randal actually votes to give out foreign aid.

Like I said, I didn't like how it sounded but I've learned to just parse out exactly what he said and go with that; not what the interviewers say or what I think he meant by it. His answer to the question about the Ukraine was much more concerning to me as it doesn't exactly meld with his previously made proposals.

 

[Carlybee]

Obama did the same thing, lied about so many things and when he got into the office, did the opposite. Why cant we do the same thing? You don't exactly act like a saint when you are trying to win the mob election.

And that seems presidential how?

 

[jjdoyle]

I have a hunch that the joint effort is more than just the money; such as technology sharing and implementation experience.


Wake me when Randal actually votes to give out foreign aid.

Like I said, I didn't like how it sounded but I've learned to just parse out exactly what he said and go with that; not what the interviewers say or what I think he meant by it. His answer to the question about the Ukraine was much more concerning to me as it doesn't exactly meld with his previously made proposals.

Well, with words like this, why wouldn't he vote in favor of foreign aid to Israel? I'm guessing the vote will happen, as the second link was just recently on this subject and apparently being prepared for a vote.
I mean, if he's really just playing some game, voting in favor of a few more hundred million in aid, is to be expected. No?
This is what happens when you try to appease a certain voting bloc with pandering, instead of constitutional talking points.

He brought up 9/11 and planes being used as short ranged missiles as a reason for a U.S. Iron Dome, but I sure hope he justifies voting against any Israeli foreign aid with the same approach, and using 9/11 as the reason.