Rand introduces bill to defund Palestinian foreign aid

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Rudeman said:
Some of you guys are (mod edit), how many times do you have to see Rand do the same/similar thing and still not get what he's trying to do.

If the goal is to cut foreign aid, which it is, and Rand knows it is politically unfeasible to do it all at once. So what does he do? He targets the low hanging fruit, he did the same thing with Egypt. If you eliminate all the other nations you'll be left with only Israel and maybe then people will wonder wtf are we giving them money. That is why the neocons oppose it because they know if Rand ever got the ball rolling it would be hard for them to make it stop.


BUT NOPE ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL!
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He is a genius. Stand with Rand.
 
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NOVALibertarian said:
Some of y'all need to stop being so dogmatic. Do you want to win? Be pragmatic.

That picture of Rand at the Western Wall is ridiculously overblown. Just because he put on a hat and touched a wall doesn't mean he "sold out." Hell, whilst pretending to pray, he could instead be thinking about what he's having to eat when he gets back to the hotel. But I digress.

Being labeled "Anti-Israel" is the kiss of death in the Republican Primary. Doing something like what Rand is doing doesn't give opponents a leg to stand on, especially when they'll lose their other leg by going on the record as against cutting off aid to Palestine. In a fight, Rand isn't losing to a double amputee.
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If Pragmatarianism had a record of success, I would endorse it. But it doesn't, so I can't. But I'm not really into electioneering anyway, so I guess I'll butt out now. ttyl.
 
jjdoyle said:
So, Rand Paul's goal is to cut foreign aid to Palestine, so he can give more to Israel? If Rand had voted against that aid to Israel, this would be awesome. But instead, because of his own actions, he appears as nothing more than a panderer and weak.

Sorry you find those of us that expect politicians to have consistent positions, dense.
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You can disagree with it all you want, it is simply a different tactic to accomplish the same thing. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity, correct? So why not try something different to see if it works? Maybe you should ask yourself why does AIPAC and other "pro Israel" folks oppose cutting aid to Palestine.
 
Rudeman said:
You can disagree with it all you want, it is simply a different tactic to accomplish the same thing. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity, correct? So why not try something different to see if it works? Maybe you should ask yourself why does AIPAC and other "pro Israel" folks oppose cutting aid to Palestine.
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This is a great SHOW by Rand, to try and ward off the coming attacks should he run in 2016. I understand that 100%. I understand how Rand is going to get attacked if he runs for President. If the ads are produced like I believe they are, no amount of pandering on this will probably matter.

Ron Paul had the right message and political record, and instead of embracing that when elected Rand is changing and abandoning positions because of potential attacks in 2016? Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result could be said to be insanity, and Rand continuing to vote for more foreign aid to Israel is this exactly. Borrowing from China, to give to Israel, making us less safe and outright ignoring one of the the three reasons given for us being attacked on 9/11.

Rand Paul not speaking out against foreign aid to Israel last year when he had the chance, but trying to against Palestine this year? Are you not aware of the 9/11 Israeli connection? It's classified, and maybe in those 9/11 Commission Report pages that are still classified that Rand hasn't read, but other members of Congress have like Walter Jones and Thomas Massie? They both voted against the Israeli foreign aid in the House.


I'm all for ending ALL foreign aid, but especially to countries that when we give it to, it is used as propaganda to recruit extremist that may attack us. And especially to countries that may have known about the 9/11 attacks beforehand, and not warned us about them. This just seems EXTREMELY weak in my opinion (and as a MUCH BIGGER journalist pointed out) and nothing more than pandering for the sake of pandering from Rand.

If I were AIPAC, I would push for MORE foreign aid bills in Congress (probably are anyway), because at this point Rand Paul might become their cheerleader in trying to get them passed.

Traditional Conservative said:
Technically, he was lying. He didn't vote for that, since there was no roll call vote. It just passed by unanimous consent, which means that no one objected to it and forced a roll call vote on it. The bill passed without Rand or any other member of the Senate doing anything.
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Well, I have been saying Rand is either lying to us, or he is lying to them. Either way, he is lying.
BUT, as for saying no one objected to it, one member did initially and blocked it:
"On Thursday night, Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma blocked the Iron Dome funding requested by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel because it would add to the budget deficit."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/politics/congress-israel-iron-dome/

Wonder what would have happened had Tom Coburn had the support of Rand in blocking it?
 
Even though it's not going to happen, it would be a disaster to cut all aid to one side while continuing to fund the other. Especially if the side cut off is the one getting it's ass kicked all over the place. But it's not going to happen anyways. For some reason most Republicans hate welfare except when it goes to foreigners.
 
Krugminator2 said:
Foreign aid is a tiny non-issue that gets people riled up. It counts for 0% of the budget. It should get Supporting the Palestinians is one of those things along with liking Dennis Kucinich, Glenn Greenwald, Jesse Ventura, and Elizabeth Warren that I will never understand.
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I lived in Dennis Kucinich's district. There are many many stories of Dennis or his staff helping people with all kinds of issues. For instance, my friends mother was hospitalized and there was an insurance mixup so collections a-holes were calling his family non-stop. That is, until my friend had the opportunity to meet Dennis and tell him about it. Dennis said he'd handle it. And he did.

Have you ever heard of any elected official doing something like this?

Oh yeah, my friends family are all Republicans. I don't care for most of DK's politics, but by all accounts he's a very genuine person. Ron likes him. And his hot wife likes him too lol.
 
scottditzen said:
Man, I honestly don't know what's going to make that contingent choose Rand over someone like Huckabee or Santorum on the R side.
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I can think of a few things:
1) Move to Israel and/or get dual citizenship
2) Volunteer to fight in their military
3) Throw his father under the bus

I think #3 is close to happening, and they are both already in that same boat I think with how Rand is distancing himself from Ron. Maybe Rand can get Ron to endorse the other guys running?
 
scottditzen said:
I think the bigger question is will Israel's defenders oppose Rand Paul 2016?

And, imho that answer will be yes.
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That isn't exactly his target audience. When the "Israel defenders" end up going out of their way to defend foreign aid for Palestine, then hopefully average joe will question why they would do such a thing.


I posted this in another thread, these people call themselves pro-Israel but in reality they are just progressives with an extremist view when it comes to foreign policy.
 
Influenza said:
Rand is nothing like his dad. Will that help him get elected? Probably. Will it do any good for "us?" To be determined...
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whatevs. He is a lot like his dad, just not exactly like him. You're factually incorrect on this one my lad.
Ron wouldn't introduce this bill but I bet you he would vote for it.
 
scottditzen said:
Man, I honestly don't know what's going to make that contingent choose Rand over someone like Huckabee or Santorum on the R side.
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Why do you suppose that is? Isn't he working hard to show he supports Isreal just as fervently as the next GOP candidate?
 
scottditzen said:
Man, I honestly don't know what's going to make that contingent choose Rand over someone like Huckabee or Santorum on the R side.
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It's not about winning over the Zionists. Unless he's a fool, Rand knows that he cannot win them over completely. It's about not giving them a leg to stand on when the inevitable "you don't stand with Israel as much as I do" attacks begin against him. When they commence, for example, Rand can point to him wanting to cut aid multiple times to Palestine, yet was rejected multiple times by those who claim to "stand with Israel." He can point to his record in the Senate of constantly voting in favor of Israel. It's a shame that Rand has to do such things, but he has no chance otherwise. This gives him a very real fighting chance.
 
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