Rand introduces bill to defund Palestinian foreign aid

[mit26chell]

The constant Israel pandering literally makes me nauseous.

 

[cajuncocoa]

So are you changing your outlook now? You no longer are rolling your eyes at the idea that Israel defenders will oppose this bill?

That never was my outlook. That was only my response to where you changed the subject. My point was that we should be ending all foreign aid, not just aid to Palestine.

 

[rich34]

Oh wow, he supports ending aid to bombed-out third-world country with no international political influence that everybody in the Republican Party already hates. Quite a gutsy move there, Rand. Careful not to pull a groin muscle flexing those balls of steel.

Actually it is quite a gutsy move. The establishment including AIPAC fought against this the last go around, no doubt they will do the same this go around. He's forcing them to go on record as being against this bill, which is going against AIPAC. You have to see farther down the road which is what Rand is fighting for. Now he'll have two different bills with two different names to use at his disposal to counter the "you hate Israel" attack that will be used against him. This comes at the perfect time as well because I'm sure he's aware of who was behind the recent round of media attacks against him. He's going to now expose their politicians for something that should be a no brainer. Well, at least amongst their constituency. So lets take a count. He's introduced a declaration of war against isis, and has also introduced a bill to cut off funding to Israel's enemy, yet there were no takers. Rand is simply laying the groundwork for the anti semite smear that will no doubt be used against him. Let the man play his game of chess. While many may not understand his strategy, others can see it quite clearly. He's just got to hope his most hardcore/fathers supporters don't cut him off before the real game gets started...

 

[rich34]

That never was my outlook. That was only my response to where you changed the subject. My point was that we should be ending all foreign aid, not just aid to Palestine.

Yes and him introducing a bill to end all foreign aid, vs. ending aid to Israel's enemy have equally as much chance as actually passing.. However, by doing this, he can expose the members that are against it and cut off the future attack of Rand hates Israel argument that no doubt will be used against him. While he may not be flawless, he's playing as good of a game as you're ever going to see.

 

[CaptUSA]

Those in the Senate did last time. Neocons don't want any aid cut for some reason. They also don't want Rand to get any credit for anything viewed as 'pro Israel'

There is the belief in the establishment that all of this aid - whether to Israel or not - buys influence with the leaders of those countries. For example, if they were to do something we didn't agree with, we could threaten to pull their aid. This mentality believes this is what the dictators listen to. (After all, those in the establishment listen to the same thing from their lobbyists.)

Because of that, some of Israel's biggest supporters in Congress will always fight against unilaterally stopping this aid.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

AIPAC lobbies agenda is exposed again, they want status quo with US tax payers funded occupation of Palestinians ( that plot requires buying puppet politicians among Palestinians and dictators in Egypt to blockade Palestinians from both sides) and probably do not mind resulting blowbacks to use them as excuse for mideast wars /more interventions.

AIPAC opposes Rand Paul's bill to cut aid to Palestinians

AIPAC opposes cuts in Egypt aid
www.jta.org/.../aipac-in-senate-letter-opposes...Jewish Telegraphic Agency
Aug 1, 2013 - The American Israel Public Affairs Committee urged Senators not to cut assistance to Egypt.



Next Rand should also call for ending all mideast aid including to only non-racist democracy there to put an end to parasitic culture.


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Caution, very graphic images of USTF (US Tax Payers Funded) bombing aftermath in Gaza

Billboards calling for cutting aid to Israel springing up across Montana

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Here's the take over at the neoconservative Free Beacon:

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid
Second time Paul has sought to eliminate aid to PA

BY: Adam Kredo - January 6, 2015

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) introduced a bill late Tuesday that would fully eliminate U.S. aid to the Palestinians until their leadership withdraws a controversial bid to join the International Criminal Court (ICC), according to a copy of the legislation exclusively obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

Paul’s bill comes on the heels of a bid by the Palestinian Authority and its President Mahmoud Abbas to win a seat on the ICC, which would allow the Palestinians to inundate the court with charges against Israel for so-called war crimes and other perceived infractions.

The new bill also responds to a direct request from Israel that Congress immediately punish the Palestinians for circumventing the peace process and pursuing action against Israel on the world stage.
...
This is the second time that Paul has taken the lead to eliminate aid to the Palestinians.

The senator spearheaded a bill in April to cut off U.S. aid to the PA in response to its formation of a unity government with the terror group Hamas.

Unlike the current piece of legislation, last year’s bill would have made U.S. aid contingent on the unity government explicitly recognizing Israel’s right to exist.

Doug Stafford, a senior Paul adviser, told the Free Beacon that the United States has no business funding “an anti-Israel propaganda trial” at the ICC.

“The Palestinian Authority received well over $400 million last year to peacefully interact with Israel,” Stafford said. “Currently, the Palestinian Authority is trying to join the anti-American International Criminal Court and they are claiming war crimes by Israeli soldiers. Sen. Rand Paul does not think American tax dollars should be used to fund an anti-Israel propaganda trial.”

While it is unclear if the Obama administration will back Paul’s bill, State Department officials have said that they are reviewing possible action.

“We’re deeply troubled by the Palestinian action,” State Department Spokeswoman Jen Psaki said on Monday.

The Palestinian’s ICC bid “is entirely counterproductive and does nothing to further the aspirations of the Palestinian people for a sovereign and independent state,” Psaki said. “It badly damages the atmosphere with the very people with whom they ultimately need to make peace.”
...
http://freebeacon.com/politics/rand-paul-moves-to-cut-u-s-aid-to-the-palestinians-over-icc-bid/

 

[cajuncocoa]

Yes and him introducing a bill to end all foreign aid, vs. ending aid to Israel's enemy have equally as much chance as actually passing.. However, by doing this, he can expose the members that are against it and cut off the future attack of Rand hates Israel argument that no doubt will be used against him. While he may not be flawless, he's playing as good of a game as you're ever going to see.

U.S. political figures would rather shoot their own mothers in the head rather than allow anyone to think they hate Israel.

 

[specsaregood]

U.S. political figures would rather shoot their own mothers in the head rather than allow anyone to think they hate Israel.

That'd make a helluva game show.

 

[William Tell]

I would like to see aid ended to all countries. But attempting to end aid to any country is good as far as I'm concerned.

“Some people are purists, and I get grief all the time — all these libertarian websites hating on me because I’m not as pure as my dad. And I’m putting restrictions on foreign aid instead of eliminating foreign aid altogether. And I’m like: ‘Look, guys, I’m having trouble putting these restrictions on, much less eliminating them! So give me a break!’ ” ~Rand Paul

 

[francisco]

Actually it is quite a gutsy move. The establishment including AIPAC fought against this the last go around, no doubt they will do the same this go around. He's forcing them to go on record as being against this bill, which is going against AIPAC. You have to see farther down the road which is what Rand is fighting for. Now he'll have two different bills with two different names to use at his disposal to counter the "you hate Israel" attack that will be used against him. This comes at the perfect time as well because I'm sure he's aware of who was behind the recent round of media attacks against him. He's going to now expose their politicians for something that should be a no brainer. Well, at least amongst their constituency. So lets take a count. He's introduced a declaration of war against isis, and has also introduced a bill to cut off funding to Israel's enemy, yet there were no takers. Rand is simply laying the groundwork for the anti semite smear that will no doubt be used against him. Let the man play his game of chess. While many may not understand his strategy, others can see it quite clearly. He's just got to hope his most hardcore/fathers supporters don't cut him off before the real game gets started...

Well said. +rep

 

[Galileo Galilei]

I stand with Rand. I stand with the United States. I do not stand with AIPAC.

 

[cajuncocoa]

That'd make a helluva game show.

The one who loves Isreal most wins a seat in the Oval Office for 4 years

 

[Warlord]

The one who loves Isreal most wins a seat in the Oval Office for 4 years

Sheldon Adelson wants to bomb Iran. He'll stick with the most hawkish

 

[jjdoyle]

Its purpose is not to be gutsy, but to rather expose the truth of foreign aid. Don't blind yourself to the motives behind this.

AFAIK, he has never wavered on his position of ending ALL foreign aid (including Israel); just not singling them out to end it or them first. But since he can't get that through, he is trying to prove that the only truth about foreign aid is that it NEVER ends, to ANYBODY.

Rand voted in FAVOR of MORE foreign aid to Israel, so not only did he waiver, he is 100% the opposite direction of where Ron Paul would be. Rand Paul voted to continue to borrow money from China, to give to Israel, so that we can remain unsafe. He shouldn't even run for President if he isn't going to at least see what causes US to be hated around the world, and more likely to be attacked.

 

[Krugminator2]

Foreign aid is a tiny non-issue that gets people riled up. It counts for 0% of the budget. It should get phased out because it stunts the development of the countries receiving it. But Rand only talks about it because the average voter thinks foreign aid makes up 30% of the budget.

I don't get the loyalty Americans have toward Israel. Israel is a Marxist, foreign country. But just as puzzling are Ron Paul supporters who support Palestine and hate Israel. The Palestinians are much worse. Supporting the Palestinians is one of those things along with liking Dennis Kucinich, Glenn Greenwald, Jesse Ventura, and Elizabeth Warren that I will never understand.

 

[Danke]

Rand voted in FAVOR of MORE foreign aid to Israel, so not only did he waiver, he is 100% the opposite direction of where Ron Paul would be. Rand Paul voted to continue to borrow money from China, to give to Israel, so that we can remain unsafe. He shouldn't even run for President if he isn't going to at least see what causes US to be hated around the world, and more likely to be attacked.

We must Stand with Rand.

 

[rich34]

I would like to see aid ended to all countries. But attempting to end aid to any country is good as far as I'm concerned.

If you can achieve it for one then perhaps the political dominoes will start to fall for the others as well. You'd think the best place to start would be cutting off aid to those countries that hate Israel. Perhaps not.. Hell, apparently you gotta love Israel AND it's enemies...

 

[rich34]

Rand voted in FAVOR of MORE foreign aid to Israel, so not only did he waiver, he is 100% the opposite direction of where Ron Paul would be. Rand Paul voted to continue to borrow money from China, to give to Israel, so that we can remain unsafe. He shouldn't even run for President if he isn't going to at least see what causes US to be hated around the world, and more likely to be attacked.

Once again, Rand is taking calculated risks to minimize the affects they will have against him in his run for president. I don't understand many of the supporters of Ron Paul. As educated as they are on policy that however doesn't seem to equate to strategy and winning the presidency. I suppose I can understand why, however, still yet have a hard time with it because I reckon I expect more from the lot of supporters that backed Ron. I thought we simply all just "knew" that Rand couldn't follow the same path as his father or else it would produce the same results. By taking the route that Rand has taken this gives him the possibility of actually winning the presidency instead of simply being a "pure senator" that will never win the presidency. Again, I just hope Rand can hang onto his father's most hardcore supporters before the MSM can squash it before it's of any affect. Hang on guy's, don't fall for their divide and conquer tactics.

 

[Influenza]

Rand is nothing like his dad. Will that help him get elected? Probably. Will it do any good for "us?" To be determined...