Rand at 4.4% in first post debate poll, ahead of Bush

[Brett85]

Take this one with a grain of salt since it's Gravis Marketing, but the polling numbers actually look good. Gravis tends to poll Rand about 1-3% lower than all of the other pollsters.

http://www.oann.com/gopdebate/

Trump: 32.7%
Ben Carson: 22.6%
Marco Rubio: 14.5%
Ted Cruz: 7.6%
Carly Fiorina: 6.1%
Rand Paul: 4.4%
Jeb Bush: 4.3%
Chris Christie: 2.8%
John Kasich: 2.4%
Mike Huckabee: 1.1%
Lindsey Graham: .6%
Bobby Jindal: .4%
Rick Santorum: .2%
George Pataki: .1%

 

[KEEF]

I smell a Frothy surge

 

[Warlord]

Excellent!

 

[garyallen59]

nice

 

[carlton]

I smell a Frothy surge

Extra froth, oh and please hold the lube

 

[garyallen59]

Extra froth, oh and please hold the lube

 

[hells_unicorn]

I think there is a very clear benefit to acting like an adult when everybody else looks like children. Although it appears that Trump's numbers are inflated into the sky, it is noteworthy that the people didn't go for Bush and Kasich trying to be so belligerent. The only thing I really don't like about this poll is Fiorina being ahead of Paul, but it's still much better than what we've been seeing over the past couple months.

edit: It's interesting to note that the age of 68% of the people polled was over 50, which explains why Trump's numbers are so high.

 

[libertyplz]

If these numbers are accurate and we see similar results in other polls that comeout by or before the 4th, then Kasich, Huckabee, and Christie are all in danger of not making the next debate if I understand the polling criteria correctly. This poll has Christie just over the bubble, while Kasich and Huckabee are below it. Still not sure what polls fox will be using exactly, but I think it will be the last 4 polls held by major polling companies (which is where the confusion comes in, they don't state exactly which polling companies they will be counting) and the cutoff is November 4th.

Frustrating to see Trump way up there still, will be interesting to see if his numbers begin to fall as the field begins to shrink

 

[Brett85]

Trump is actually down 4% from Gravis's last poll. They've just been polling him higher than all of the other polling organizations. I think they only poll land lines and poll a disproportionate number of older voters, which is probably why Trump does better in their polls. I think this poll is also just among people who watched the debate, but I think it at least shows that Rand didn't do as poorly in the debate as some people here think he did.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Trump is actually down 4% from Gravis's last poll. They've just been polling him higher than all of the other polling organizations. I think they only poll land lines and poll a disproportionate number of older voters, which is probably why Trump does better in their polls. I think this poll is also just among people who watched the debate, but I think it at least shows that Rand didn't do as poorly in the debate as some people here think he did.

I don't think he did poorly at all, apart from him not having any time to talk and Fiorina running her mouth non-stop, the only problem I had with the way the debate went was the moderators acting like a bunch of snarky twits. Paul made solid points when he had questions thrown his way and stayed on message, which is more than I can say for almost everybody else on that stage. This Gravis Poll has a 68/32 ratio of people over 50 vs. under 50, which is precisely why Trump and Carson are both polling well.

 

[TaftFan]

Horrible. Brutal.

 

[Brett85]

Horrible. Brutal.

No, it's not. Compare that to the results after the last two debates and this time they have Rand doing better than after the first two debates. This is also a polling organization that only polls landlines and mostly older voters that consistently has worse numbers for Rand than other polling organizations do.

After the first debate 34% of the people polled by Gravis thought he lost that debate, and 67% had a less favorable opinion and only 14% had a more favorable opinion.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...debate-followed-by-marco-rubio-300125436.html

 

[TaftFan]

No, it's not. Compare that to the results after the last two debates and this time they have Rand doing better than after the first two debates. This is also a polling organization that only polls landlines and mostly older voters that consistently has worse numbers for Rand than other polling organizations do.

After the first debate 34% of the people polled by Gravis thought he lost that debate, and 67% had a less favorable opinion and only 14% had a more favorable opinion.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...debate-followed-by-marco-rubio-300125436.html

So he's the second worst instead of the worst. Big consolation.

 

[01000110]

Old people with landlines who are afraid of losing their medicare and social security.

But hey, President Trump will be one hell of a wacky ride... and we'll have 10's of thousands of new jobs, great jobs, with great people building a goddamn great wall to keep us all in .... ooops i mean illegals out.

 

[LatinsforPaul]

So he's the second worst instead of the worst. Big consolation.

Do you want him in Trump's position with 3 months to go till Iowa? He is 6th and as long as Rand is in the top 3 by the end of January, I think he will win Iowa.
Patience

 

[Brett85]

So he's the second worst instead of the worst. Big consolation.

You're ignoring my point about Gravis having a lot worse results for Rand than other pollsters. Like after the first debate when Gravis had 67% of respondents showing that they had a more negative view of Rand after the debate, no other poll even come close to those numbers. The numbers from the other pollsters were around 40% or something like that. So you have to take into account the pollster and that Rand's numbers here are improving even with a pollster that's normally really bad for him.

 

[CPUd]

One time OAN/Gravis had Rand at 0.8% and Lindsey Graham at 6 or 8%

 

[69360]

Polls are pointless right now, when you have 50% of GOP respondents polling for candidates with no prior experience who can not win the nomination. None of this will make any sense until those two are over.

 

[jmdrake]

Ummm...sorry to bust your bubble....but 4.4% versus 4.3% = withing the margin of error. Rand Paul is tied with Jeb

 

[CPUd]

Polls are pointless right now, when you have 50% of GOP respondents polling for candidates with no prior experience who can not win the nomination. None of this will make any sense until those two are over.

Polls are of nominal interest because they are being used for debate selection.