POLL: Ron Paul's VP???

I would love Walter Williams, but he is as old as Ron. There is no way he should chose Dennis. Not unless the Republicans have a 200 person majority in the House and a 30 person majority in the Senate. In that case, I wouldn't mind him being in charge of the military should something happen to Ron. That is about all I want him in charge of.

Slutter McGee
 
My top 3 for VP would be: 1. Dennis Kucinich, because it would give us the broadest appeal and best chance of beating Obama. 2. Walter Williams, because it adds appeal, and I think he would make the best VP for a Paul Presidency. 3. Gary Johnson, because I really like the guy and it would be nice to see the only two decent Republicans running to both somehow win in the end. (someone who did not make the top 3, but I would still be happy if he was chosen would be Chuck Baldwin, he'd make a pretty cool VP)
 
Let's hope we face this issue! I voted for Gary Johnson and Jesse Ventura. Both are former governors and well qualified. Johnson would appeal to Democrats and libertarians, and Ventura to independents. Most of the others on the list either don't share Ron Paul's views, or are (good) ideologues with limited qualifications. Rand Paul would be a great choice if he weren't Ron Paul's son.
 
Rand Paul would be a great choice if he weren't Ron Paul's son.

I don't think it makes a difference at all, it's not like Rand a political-nobody, he's definitely grown in stature in the short time he's been around, so much so that many people were asking him if he was going to run for presidency himself so why does him being Ron's son matter? It doesn't & as I've said before, Ron has very little chance of getting the nomination on his own, he needs to significantly expand his voter-base for him to win the primaries & the only way to do that in the very short time that remains is by declaring a mainstream candidate with national GOP appeal as VP ie Rand Paul. With the establishment & MSM media being against Ron, it's just highly unrealistic to expect his support to jump from 8-10% to 30-40% (at least) needed to get him the nomination. Further, as I've said, the father-son thing can be sold as a "historic event" just as much as "first black president", "first lady president", etc etc

And unlike Ron, Rand is an extremely engaging speaker among mainstream voters, not just Repubs but even Dems
 
After all we went through to get Rand in the Senate, I can't believe so many people think giving that up to be a VP would be a good thing. Look at the impact he's made there already. Unless Rand's new position wields a veto pen, I want him right where he is.

John Mackey ... that's the VP we've all been waiting for.
 
After all we went through to get Rand in the Senate, I can't believe so many people think giving that up to be a VP would be a good thing. Look at the impact he's made there already. Unless Rand's new position wields a veto pen, I want him right where he is.

John Mackey ... that's the VP we've all been waiting for.

You're talking as if Ron has already secured the GOP nomination or something, in fact, if one is being realistic, he's nowhere close to it & he needs to do something to attract mainstream GOP voters otherwise he's not going to get through the primaries & Rand having a national GOP appeal will get him just that; obviously, I believe a Ron Paul presidency will be a lot more fruitful than hanging on to a senate seat.
 
You're talking as if Ron has already secured the GOP nomination or something, in fact, if one is being realistic, he's nowhere close to it & he needs to do something to attract mainstream GOP voters otherwise he's not going to get through the primaries & Rand having a national GOP appeal will get him just that; obviously, I believe a Ron Paul presidency will be a lot more fruitful than hanging on to a senate seat.

Call me crazy - but I just don't see an early naming of Rand as his VP choice helping in any way. It's not like Ron has to do that to get Rand to campaign for him. Everyone knows that Rand Paul supports Ron Paul. I see the entire VP conversation as assuming RP has already won the nomination.
 
Call me crazy - but I just don't see an early naming of Rand as his VP choice helping in any way. It's not like Ron has to do that to get Rand to campaign for him. Everyone knows that Rand Paul supports Ron Paul. I see the entire VP conversation as assuming RP has already won the nomination.

I actually see it the other way around. I see all the "VP should be chosen after the primaries" conversation as assuming RP has a huge chance of getting the nomination ON HIS OWN, which doesn't seem to be the case at all if one goes beyond the RonPaulWorld & steps into the real world.

Further, you're making the assumption that all of Rand's base supports Ron which isn't true at all; Rand attracts a significant amount of "mainstream" GOP voters, Ron doesn't, which is what Rand brings to Ron before the primaries as his VP. Here's a little scenario - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...te-in-2007-8&p=3365860&viewfull=1#post3365860

EDIT : Rand campaigning for Ron & Rand campaigning for Ron as his VP are two completely different things, at least from Rand's supporters' point-of-view. Being VP means that he'll be in a position to influence Ron which is what Rand's voters would vote for if he were the VP candidate, if he's not his VP then they'll've to be convinced on Ron's positions which is a lot harder task considering many mainstream GOP voters don't agree with Ron.
 
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I actually see it the other way around. I see all the "VP should be chosen after the primaries" conversation as assuming RP has a huge chance of getting the nomination ON HIS OWN, which doesn't seem to be the case at all if one goes beyond the RonPaulWorld & steps into the real world.

Further, you're making the assumption that all of Rand's base supports Ron which isn't true at all; Rand attracts a significant amount of "mainstream" GOP voters, Ron doesn't, which is what Rand brings to Ron before the primaries as his VP. Here's a little scenario - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...te-in-2007-8&p=3365860&viewfull=1#post3365860

We'll have to agree to disagree. I still don't see any VP nomination ever helping RP in the primaries.
 
Yes, I did. You assume Rand has magical powers to bring his flock to vote for Ron - but only by being the presumed VP. I doubt that Rand's magical powers will work any better with him as the presumed VP than him just campaigning heavily for his dad.

I guess you didn't read this

EDIT : Rand campaigning for Ron & Rand campaigning for Ron as his VP are two completely different things, at least from Rand's supporters' point-of-view. Being VP means that he'll be in a position to influence Ron which is what Rand's voters would vote for if he were the VP candidate, if he's not his VP then they'll've to be convinced on Ron's positions which is a lot harder task considering many mainstream GOP voters don't agree with Ron.
 
I guess you didn't read this

I had not read the edit.

Let's consider when VP's influence the president.

Biden / Obama - no.
Cheney / Bush - yes.
Gore / Clinton - no.
Quayle / Bush - no.
Bush / Reagan - yes.
Mondale / Carter - no.
Rockefeller / Ford - yes.
Agnew-Ford / Nixon - no.
Humphrey / Johnson - no
Johnson / Kennedy - ?

Paul / Paul - just not seeing it.

Rand told me to vote for his dad. I'm not going to do it. Oh, wait ... Rand will be his VP choice, okay, now I'll vote for him.

I still don't see it.
 
I had not read the edit.

Let's consider when VP's influence the president.

Biden / Obama - no.
Cheney / Bush - yes.
Gore / Clinton - no.
Quayle / Bush - no.
Bush / Reagan - yes.
Mondale / Carter - no.
Rockefeller / Ford - yes.
Agnew-Ford / Nixon - no.
Humphrey / Johnson - no
Johnson / Kennedy - ?

Paul / Paul - just not seeing it.

How many of those presidential candidates were NOT establishment candidates AND were "fringe" candidates with extremely limited support-base?

The answer is NONE so Ron is in a completely different situation compared to any of those people, a HUGE % of his own party & voters don't agree with him or see him as a strong candidate & that's why VP becomes way more important for him in order to attract more support from the mainstream GOP voters & Rand has the national mainstream recognition & he won't turn off Ron's own support bloc (unlike other mainstream GOP candidates). Further, Ron is seen as too old & too fringe & Rand being young & nationally recognized by mainstream would supplement him on those accounts.

Rand told me to vote for his dad. I'm not going to do it. Oh, wait ... Rand will be his VP choice, okay, now I'll vote for him.

I still don't see it.

If things were so simple as you make them out to be then Ron would be just as popular among most of the GOP mainstream as Rand is but that's NOT the case because Rand & Ron don't have the same positions.

The thing is that Rand's supporters support him for his positions, not that of Ron's so him just campaigning for Ron doesn't mean Ron will cover Rand's positions but if he's the VP then Ron will, then he'll influence over Ron on issues where Rand & his supporters differ from Ron. The main such issue is war & imperialism where Rand takes a more "centrist" position compared to Ron & it is mainly Ron's position on these issues that's turning off the mainstream GOP, they see him as weak on defense so seeing Rand as Ron's VP will instill confidence into such voters & as I've said in the linked post, even if Rand caused a small chunk of mainstream to move to Ron then that deadlocks GOP & it can't beat Obama anymore & then we might see more mainstream GOP voters coming around if only for the sake of beating Obama & preventing the fragmentation of the GOP's strength.
 
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I believe the vice-presidential pick needs to fill a few roles.

*Energize and/or expand the base
*Serve as an adviser
*Have name recognition/credibility
*Be an effective President of the U.S. Senate

I notice suggestions for conspiracy theorists, anti-war liberals, economists, and tv hosts in this thread. I think it would be a better idea to pick someone from the current crop of Presidential candidates. One because their name is out there and people know about them, and two we should leave what good people we have in Congress.

The vice president doesn't have to be a mirror image of the President. George H.W. Bush was much more moderate than Ronald Reagan but he helped him get elected. On the other hand, Palin was the reason McCain didn't get beaten even worse. I believe the base needs to be firmly secured and that means making sure all Republicans come out to vote. (Not all are comfortable with Paul, or his age for that matter).

Of the current field, Newt and Santorum are definitely not possibilities. (Newt would be good in a cabinet role though). I predict Bachmann will get destroyed by the media just as Palin was, so while she could fire up the base she is poison. Even though Romney and Huntsman are moderates, they would bring a good deal of credibility and experience. Furthermore, both are excellent fundraisers and have an abundance of personal wealth. They would be options if we wanted to go the George H.W. Bush route. But would the sharp difference in philosophy be a problem? Gary Johnson is the most similar to Paul as they are both libertarians, but has a huge lack of charisma. Herman Cain would be a good choice. He consistently registers the highest positive intensity scores so he could fire up the base; he has a strong business background, is a social conservative, and would dismiss the race card. Tim Pawlenty would be a very solid choice and people can generally trust him, yet like Johnson he has a serious lack of charisma.

I am partial to Cain, but I think he is the best choice.
 
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I am partial to Cain, but I think he is the best choice.

So you want Cain to be Ron's VP? Seriously? He's not very bright to be honest & he'd also repel a lot of Ron's own libertarian-leaning base as well as Indies & Dems because what if Ron dies, naturally or "otherwise"? Then we're stuck with a pea-brain who can be easily manipulated while we're in some of the toughest times the country has ever faced. And Ron who's talked all his life against Fed having a former Fed chair as his VP? How does that sound? We need someone who can carry the torch of liberty forward & has a national GOP appeal at the same time.

Moreover, Ron has clearly outlined that he'd want a VP who'd agrees with him which I don't see with a neo-con, pro-Fed, corporatist > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGZj-LlP40I#t=46m5
 
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