POLL: Ron Paul supporters religion.....

[nate895]

What does anything in the above have to do with a miracle.

People call it a miracle when someone catches an ALMOST impossible pass to get a touchdown.

Why do people keep living WITHOUT doctors and medicine? Well because most medicines have more side effects than the disease or sickness most people have anyways.

Your moms kidney transplant. She was "going to leave" the list but didn't and ended up getting a kidney. I am happy she was able to get one but where in that story is a miracle.

Here is a miracle.

Your mom actually got off that list and someone knocked on her door and said, "God told me that you needed this kidney more than I did".


Also, tell me there wasn't some doctor or transport team working their ass off for that. For something like that to happen I DOUBT it was no one working on locating your mom a kidney.

The doctor went across the country 6 hours before, and then did he identify that the next person on the list for that type of kidney was my mom (and my mom was pretty far down, they estimated another 1Y and 6M for a kidney).

People have given away kidneys like that, you know.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

The doctor went across the country 6 hours before, and then did he identify that the next person on the list for that type of kidney was my mom (and my mom was pretty far down, they estimated another 1Y and 6M for a kidney).

People have given away kidneys like that, you know.

I guess you are not getting my point then.

Do people give away kidneys like that? really. who and if so was it God that told them to do it?

I do believe a doc or someone busted their ass to make that "miracle" happen is my point, they did not simply leave it up to God or pray about it and see what he might do.

Sometimes you need to stop leaving it up to someone else and get things done yourself.

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For instance, my uncle who died of cancer. He was given 5 years to live right. Well guess what, a miracle happened and he was able to live 10 years. Was that a miracle or just him living out the rest of his life with doctors and or medications help? Which btw was medical marijuana....

I think people look to hard for something else to explain things that they don't understand or cannot comprehend.

If it can't be scientifically proven then it must have been God right? Many things in our past couldn't be figured out medically or scientifically back then BUT as WE evolved (bad choice of words for religious folks) we have learned how to solve things that before seemed impossible.

Back in the day, someone losing an arm and getting a robotic arm would be considered insane odds are. People would LAUGH at you for even thinking of something like that BUT we have robotic arms, legs and so on currently.

It was no miracle that we have figured out how to talk to people across the world, or make light or this and that. We as humans are learning from previous mistakes and adapting and changing to surpass our previous efforts.

If we sat around waiting for miracles and supernatural beings to allow things to happen to us then what are we really doing here on earth? I wouldn't really call "waiting" living at all.

 

[Spider-Man]

I am Catholic, the One True Faith.

 

[Conza88]

You obviously have never been to a hospital if you haven't seen a miracle.

There are more "miracles" in private hospitals than public hospitals...

I guess the private org must have more faith?

 

[nate895]

There are more "miracles" in private hospitals than public hospitals...

I guess the private org must have more faith?

Considering most private hospitals are built by churches (as in all), at least where I live, yes.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Considering most private hospitals are built by churches (as in all), at least where I live, yes.

and you are serious in that as well?

So if a church runs the hospital then God performs more miracles there than secular ran ones. Well at least we know that he does judge us differently then lol.

Or is it if the doctors are christians then he will, or is it the patient, or is it dependent on the size of the prayer circle...

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I am Catholic, the One True Faith.

Please explain because I keep hearing that everyone is believing the one true faith but all believe TOTALLY different from each other.

 

[nate895]

and you are serious in that as well?

So if a church runs the hospital then God performs more miracles there than secular ran ones. Well at least we know that he does judge us differently then lol.

Or is it if the doctors are christians then he will, or is it the patient, or is it dependent on the size of the prayer circle...

The patient and, I'd guess, what percentage of believers who know the person pray for them. If I get sick, and all my friends and family prayed for me because they loved me and I was good to them, I'd guess God may spare me. However, if I have already been given a second chance and I am reprobate and few like me and are begging God to spare me, even among those I know, I'd guess God would be much less likely to spare me.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

The patient and, I'd guess, what percentage of believers who know the person pray for them. If I get sick, and all my friends and family prayed for me because they loved me and I was good to them, I'd guess God may spare me. However, if I have already been given a second chance and I am reprobate and few like me and are begging God to spare me, even among those I know, I'd guess God would be much less likely to spare me.

but with that same thinking comes this.


If it was your time according to God then he took you.

If it wasn't your time to go then God spared you.

If this happened it was because of God and the if this happened in must have been because of God as well.

For instance, lets say you had EVERY christian praying for you to live and you end up dying. What would be said.... Oh I know...

It must have been what God wanted right?

But if you lived, it was Gods will.,

No matter what the outcome is, it must have been God who ALLOWED it.

come on....

maybe it was just your time to live or die no matter how many people prayed or didn't pray for you.

How many people do you see praying for cancer kids? Millions odds are, and they die daily. But when they get an extra 5 years of life, it was God's hands who did it and not the doctor who was working with the kids for years day in and day out....

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

However, if I have already been given a second chance and I am reprobate and few like me and are begging God to spare me, even among those I know, I'd guess God would be much less likely to spare me.

SO if LESS people "like you" pray for you then your chances of life go down?

How can even YOU believe in stuff like that.

COme on man.

Does anyone else believe in this thinking?

 

[nate895]

SO if LESS people "like you" pray for you then your chances of life go down?

How can even YOU believe in stuff like that.

COme on man.

Does anyone else believe in this thinking?

I was saying, if I am a horrible human being who has no dependents, is reprobate, and his friends don't even care what happens to me, I don't deserve to live, and if God spares me, I better shape up or get ready to ship out when God sends my next disease.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I was saying, if I am a horrible human being who has no dependents, is reprobate, and his friends don't even care what happens to me, I don't deserve to live, and if God spares me, I better shape up or get ready to ship out when God sends my next disease.

wow

well that is an opinion indeed and yours to have.

 

[nate895]

but with that same thinking comes this.


If it was your time according to God then he took you.

If it wasn't your time to go then God spared you.

If this happened it was because of God and the if this happened in must have been because of God as well.

For instance, lets say you had EVERY christian praying for you to live and you end up dying. What would be said.... Oh I know...

It must have been what God wanted right?

But if you lived, it was Gods will.,

No matter what the outcome is, it must have been God who ALLOWED it.

come on....

maybe it was just your time to live or die no matter how many people prayed or didn't pray for you.

How many people do you see praying for cancer kids? Millions odds are, and they die daily. But when they get an extra 5 years of life, it was God's hands who did it and not the doctor who was working with the kids for years day in and day out....

God appoints your time to die, yes, that is true. However, we all have free will and supposedly God can change that, after all, he is God. At some point, however, we all must die for it says in the Bible that he will no longer let people live beyond their 120s. If you have died, your mission has been accomplished, even if that mission was to simply bring awareness to a disease, or bring joy to one person's face who really needed it. We must also remember, that all who do not reject Christ and are not of the Chosen People (the tribes of Israel) are to be sent to eternal rewards, so long as they aren't a horrible person on Earth. I said reject Christ, BTW, if you have never heard the word of God from a faithful servant of the Lord, you aren't going to be punished in the afterlife for it.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

if you have never heard the word of God from a faithful servant of the Lord, you aren't going to be punished in the afterlife for it.

Well then I am screwed because I grew up in the church.

o well, odds are most people I know will be down there chillin as well SO better to be down there then bored as hell up there.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I was saying, if I am a horrible human being who has no dependents, is reprobate, and his friends don't even care what happens to me, I don't deserve to live, and if God spares me, I better shape up or get ready to ship out when God sends my next disease.

Why do the highlighted points above have any bearing on you as an individual? Some people go though life with no dependents or friends just because they were born into unfortunate circumstances. Plus, if one has no friends or dependents, etc., who knows such a person well enough is to say he is "horrible"?

It seems your worldview is narrowed by a strictly American/western perspective. Could you elaborate on that please?

 

[MRoCkEd]

agnostic atheist here

 

[John E]

My spiritual beliefs are close to paganism with some eastern philosophical aspects to it.

 

[nate895]

Why do the highlighted points above have any bearing on you as an individual? Some people go though life with no dependents or friends just because they were born into unfortunate circumstances. Plus, if one has no friends or dependents, etc., who knows such a person well enough is to say he is "horrible"?

It seems your worldview is narrowed by a strictly American/western perspective. Could you elaborate on that please?

I understand that some things happen beyond our control, but if you are a person who is loved by no one, you are either a hermit, in which case death is the least of your worries if you are a Christian. or you are a bad person who hasn't done anything to deserve friendship.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Satan was the first libertarian.

Actually, if memory serves me right Satan was the first lawyer (in fact, that was his job being YWEH's Advocate). Lilith would be the first Libertarian.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

So the question on my mind is this then.

For those who do believe in a higher power, does your current belief also dictate how you vote or what you vote for?

For instance, gay rights? if your religion or faith is against it will you vote against homosexuality based on your faith OR allow others the same rights to believe and live as they want, like you get to?

Like abortion for instance, MOST if not all that are against it as far as majority are FROM a church, religion or faith in some form or another. I know there are non religious types who also disagree with abortion BUT what are the reasoning behind NOT agreeing with abortion. Is it actually because of the "right to life" according to our constitution or because a religion or faith has you believing that way?

Would you vote for a christian over a non christian simply based on that one fact?

If your religion or faith said that you should protect a holy land, israel or some other place WOULD you agree with that versus the non interventionism that true liberty wants?


My questions are asked because I want to know how much a faith, religion or belief has on a persons voting personally. I know religion and faith molds the man so to speak so that odds are includes the way he or she votes to or am I wrong in this thinking?