POLL: Ron Paul supporters religion.....

[Truth Warrior]

Since Ron IS a theist AND A Christian, who on the RPF was/is causing and responsible for almost ALL of the RPF religion fuss, problems and dissensions?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Since Ron IS a theist AND A Christian, who on the RPF was/is causing and responsible for almost ALL of the RPF religion fuss, problems and dissensions?

When all else fails, blame Theocrat. (j/k)

 

[Gaius1981]

In the words of Pat Condell:

Religion feeds on a broken spirit, and that's why it tries to break your spirit the moment you come into contact with it. Submit, obey, do not question! Those words should be chiseled above the entrance of every church and mosque, because that's the only message religion has when it comes right down to it. "Praise the Lord or else". "Obedience to the doctrine of the church is the foundation of your faith", as the Pope recently said.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjZ-lSn0A3M

 

[CurtisLow]

Spiritual

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

NOT what I said, but apparently what you heard.
No I was referring to the number of people that left due to constant religious bickering, and the number of people that joined only to cause divisiveness.[/B]

Well, that is my point in putting the ? on the end. I was unsure of what you meant but that is how I took it. I am not trying to push you into saying something you were not meaning but simply asking if that is what you meant or not.

Defensive a bit, but understandable.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Since Ron IS a theist AND A Christian, who on the RPF was/is causing and responsible for almost ALL of the RPF religion fuss, problems and dissensions?

Yes he is and that is great, he also has a proven track record voting wise. Many on here do not and am happy to discuss it either way.

I don't get what this has to do with separation or so called "dissensions" which makes zero sense at all. What dissent is happening simply because people QUESTION religion just like we do our government?

I think it is important to know if a specific group of people do in fact vote based on being apart of that group, that can go with anything to be honest including party voters, racial line voters, sexual preference voting, male versus female candidate voting and so on.

I am not saying that ALL religious types vote based solely on their beliefs BUT I would still like it to be open for discussion because I know "back in the day" I would odds are vote AGAINST gay rights, AGAINST abortion and so on, not because it goes against the constitution or anything BUT because of how I was raised and in the church.

Maybe I am generalizing people based on those that I surrounded myself with while being in the church for so long but most who stood out there with me during abortion protests and so forth were not doing it based on constitution rights but rather based on their spiritual beliefs.

I think it is at least worth realizing and acknowledging as a possible voter base that might not care whether or not something is constitutionally right or not but rather if it goes with their belief and moral compass. And to think that MANY religious and faith based groups do not vote this way is just being naive.

 

[inibo]

Spiritual

That was kind of fun.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Yes he is and that is great, he also has a proven track record voting wise. Many on here do not and am happy to discuss it either way.

I don't get what this has to do with separation or so called "dissensions" which makes zero sense at all. What dissent is happening simply because people QUESTION religion just like we do our government?

I think it is important to know if a specific group of people do in fact vote based on being apart of that group, that can go with anything to be honest including party voters, racial line voters, sexual preference voting, male versus female candidate voting and so on.

I am not saying that ALL religious types vote based solely on their beliefs BUT I would still like it to be open for discussion because I know "back in the day" I would odds are vote AGAINST gay rights, AGAINST abortion and so on, not because it goes against the constitution or anything BUT because of how I was raised and in the church.

Maybe I am generalizing people based on those that I surrounded myself with while being in the church for so long but most who stood out there with me during abortion protests and so forth were not doing it based on constitution rights but rather based on their spiritual beliefs.

I think it is at least worth realizing and acknowledging as a possible voter base that might not care whether or not something is constitutionally right or not but rather if it goes with their belief and moral compass. And to think that MANY religious and faith based groups do not vote this way is just being naive.

For me it seems that it very often and unproductively here goes far beyond merely QUESTIONING religion. Usually it just all boils down to a complete and sheer waste of time, space and energy.<IMHO>

 

[LibertyEagle]

No I was referring to the number of people that left due to constant religious bickering, and the number of people that joined only to cause divisiveness. Somewhere around the primaries a number of quite Anti-Christian, and also Pro socialist folks started posting.
There have always been those with Trollish behavior, but is seemed to spike around then.
This is my observation. And my opinion. I do not have any statistics.

I second that.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

For me it seems that it very often and unproductively here goes far beyond merely QUESTIONING religion. Usually it just all boils down to a complete and sheer waste of time, space and energy.<IMHO>

I second that. I regret ever getting involved in the religion threads.

 

[georgiapeach]

I voted "other" and for the sake of simplicity, I'm pagan.

 

[Kludge]

I worship the state.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

You have something in common with Hannity, after all.

I worship the state.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I second that. I regret ever getting involved in the religion threads.

Riddle of the World

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan
The proper study of Mankind is Man.
Placed on this isthmus of a middle state,
A Being darkly wise, and rudely great:
With too much knowledge for the Sceptic side,
With too much weakness for the Stoic's pride,
He hangs between; in doubt to act, or rest;
In doubt to deem himself a God, or Beast;
In doubt his mind and body to prefer;
Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;
Whether he thinks to little, or too much;
Chaos of Thought and Passion, all confus'd;
Still by himself, abus'd or disabus'd;
Created half to rise and half to fall;
Great Lord of all things, yet a prey to all,
Sole judge of truth, in endless error hurl'd;
The glory, jest and riddle of the world. ​

Alexander Pope

Can an amoeba comprehend a galaxy?


"It doesn't seem to me that this fantastically marvelous universe, this tremendous range of time and space and different kinds of animals, and all the different planets, and all these atoms with all their motions, and so on, all this complicated thing can merely be a stage so that God can watch human beings struggle for good and evil — which is the view that religion has. The stage is too big for the drama."

(1959), quoted by James Gleick in Genius: The Life and Science of Richard Feynman (1992)

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

Worse than Agnostic and Atheist being lumped together is the fact that the OP put Protestant and Evangelical together. This is simply ludicrous.

The Church of England is Protestant and quit possible the most liberal, watered down, limp-wristed form of Christianity ever. The complete opposite of Evangelism.

As for the question... I am agnostic in that I cannot definitively confirm nor deny the existence of "God". However, historical, literary, and scientific evidence proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that all human religions are merely metaphors and mythology attempting to make sense out of the universe and control behavior. In a word... wrong.

 

[hypnagogue]

Meh. I just tend to think of Agnostics as overly polite Atheists. Either way, same team basically. Go A Team!! Wooo!!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Meh. I just tend to think of Agnostics as overly polite Atheists. Either way, same team basically. Go A Team!! Wooo!!

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

I am agnostic in that I cannot definitively confirm nor deny the existence of "God". However, historical, literary, and scientific evidence proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that all human religions are merely metaphors and mythology attempting to make sense out of the universe and control behavior. In a word... wrong.

Agnostics are just being intellectually dishonest. They think they have found a happy middle ground.

You cant confirm nor deny the existence of any stupid claim someone makes. Im sure you know that Smurfs dont exist. Thought I bet you would call yourself agnostic towards their existence if billions of people around the world believed in them.

 

[Xenophage]

I don't like having atheist and agnostic included in the same option. I also would prefer a new option: antitheist.

An agnostic isn't sure if there's a God.

An atheist doesn't believe in God.

An antitheist believes there is no God!

I'm an antitheist.

 

[inibo]

My last pastor, Gary Buchman, said

An soft believer says he what believes and why. A hard believer says you must believe.

An soft agnostic says he does not know. A hard agnostic says it cannot be known.

And soft atheist says he sees no evidence of God. A hard atheist says God does not exist.

And it seems to be whenever this topic comes up these same six positions

• I believe; you must believe
• I don't know; you can't know
• I see no God; there is no God

are argued back and forth without comprehension, like Liberal and Conservative rather than Freedom and Coercion. Think of it as a spiritual Nolan Chart with God--not-God axis running left to right and a knowledge axis Revealed--Empirical running from top to bottom.

    Revealed
       |
God ---|--- not God
       |
    Empirical

A lot has to do with what is knowledge and how it is acquired.

I would probably be on the upper left hand side.