POLL: Draft Ron Paul, indy run? I got 213 signatures total...
I got 73 more signatures today (well, my father-in-law and my father got almost half of those).
still 2/3rds in favor! (March 11th at 11:37 est)
Boy I wish we would organize and do something like this (but all over the country)--man we could make some amazing impact! Imagine how much we could spread the message and recruit new people!:
Nader Campaign Asks for Money to Get Petition-Gatherers to New Mexico
Quote:
New Mexico, here we come.
We are planning to send eight road trippers into New Mexico to get Nader/Gonzalez on the ballot there.
They will need to collect 7,000 signatures in two weeks.
Our goal is to raise $10,000 by Wednesday night to fund the New Mexico ballot drive.
If we raise the $10,000 by Wednesday midnight, the road trippers will leave for New Mexico on Thursday morning.
We're looking for 100 donors to give $100 each.
So, become one of the 100 New Mexico pioneers.
Give $100 now and send our young volunteers into New Mexico to secure the ballot for Nader/Gonzalez.
We're moving across the country to give Americans a choice:
for single payer national health insurance,
for cutting the bloated military budget,
for solar energy first, and not nuclear power, and
for reversing U.S. policy in the Middle East.
One state at a time, we will give Americans a voice with the Nader/Gonzalez progressive agenda.
Let's get a good jump in New Mexico.
Please, become a New Mexico pioneer now.
Become one of the New Mexico 100 who give $100 each.
As soon as we hit our $10,000 goal, the road trippers will be on their way.
Thank you for your ongoing and generous support.
Onward
The Nader Team
* * * * *
Poll results as of 4:50PM est on March 8:
175 votes
48% (84 people): Great (option 1)
29% (49 people): total of Bad+Horrible+Stupid (options 4, 5, & 6)
71.18% Good (options 1-3) (but 10% of those say he could NEVER win (option 2))
28.83% Bad (options 4-6)
So 61% is pretty darn strong (104 people on this forum so far)--that's people that think it would be a good idea AND that he could win it (options 1 and 3).
27.06% say he could NEVER win (options 2 and 5).
Mods: Please do not move this poll. It can't get properly voted on and discussed if it is moved.
Disclaimer: I have done a TON, financially and otherwise for RP, and I still am: On Saturday at 8AM I am attending our county convention (Douglas County, NV) with many family members and friends who are also delegates and alternates. And we plan on going to state and then being one of 34 and go to St. Paul. So I am not giving up on restoring the GOP. But like the founders, I think we need to get away from parties--that's more important. And I am a real supporter, because I would give thousands more and do tons more if he declared indy.
What is the subtitle of this forum? So all you GOP lovers, stop giving up, and let's get the job done.
Starting tomorrow, I will be setting up booths with Ron Paul literature and also walking around gathering signatures at the local university, community colleges, stores, etc. Also, I can get scores of sigs at my work at the National Guard Armory. I can get scores from family and friends. I can get about 150 from the meetup groups.
I got 140 signatures today, in less than 4 hours--I talked to a ton of people and gave out a big box of RP literature! Most of the people who signed barely knew about Ron Paul (at UNR and in my neighborhood door-to-door). Everybody at my work (the national guard armory) and of course my family and friends and my friends from meetup knew him. 53 people said they would "definitely vote" for him. 21 people said they would definitely donate, and the total came to $5,686 (avg. $406--so big because there's a 1000, a 2000, and a 1776.00). 41 of the signers put Republican as their political party, 39 Democrat, 52 unaffiliated/independent.
If you want the PDF, PM me.
I will upload scans of the petition forms, blacking out column 1 (name & street address) and phone number. Please do the same.
After I make a backup copy, I will be sending these to the campaign. I will post the images online with all personal info blacked out.
to zoom in on image go here, zoom is to top-right of image: http://picasaweb.google.com/croweswedding/RP/photo#5174763392170997490
You still think something can happen at the convention? Here... The important part of this is: 1. 80% of delegates come from Primary states, 2. more than 80% of those delegates will be pledged, 3. those states are almost all winner-take-all, 4. McCain gets to research and approve (choose basically) all those delegates, 5. Ron Paul only got 5% average in all those primaries, and did not win any of them outright.
The most important part is: 86%-95% of the voters and delegates voted for a pro-war, non-Paul candidate. Even if we won half of Romney's people and half of Huckabee's people (extremely, ridiculously, stupidly unlikely) we would still only have like 30% of the delegates. And 80% of Republicans pro-war (thus very anti-Paul), so they would never vote for Ron Paul--even if McCain died, and Romney and Huckabee--it doesn't matter--they would choose many other people before they would ever choose Ron Paul.
I got 73 more signatures today (well, my father-in-law and my father got almost half of those).
still 2/3rds in favor! (March 11th at 11:37 est)
Boy I wish we would organize and do something like this (but all over the country)--man we could make some amazing impact! Imagine how much we could spread the message and recruit new people!:
Nader Campaign Asks for Money to Get Petition-Gatherers to New Mexico
Quote:
New Mexico, here we come.
We are planning to send eight road trippers into New Mexico to get Nader/Gonzalez on the ballot there.
They will need to collect 7,000 signatures in two weeks.
Our goal is to raise $10,000 by Wednesday night to fund the New Mexico ballot drive.
If we raise the $10,000 by Wednesday midnight, the road trippers will leave for New Mexico on Thursday morning.
We're looking for 100 donors to give $100 each.
So, become one of the 100 New Mexico pioneers.
Give $100 now and send our young volunteers into New Mexico to secure the ballot for Nader/Gonzalez.
We're moving across the country to give Americans a choice:
for single payer national health insurance,
for cutting the bloated military budget,
for solar energy first, and not nuclear power, and
for reversing U.S. policy in the Middle East.
One state at a time, we will give Americans a voice with the Nader/Gonzalez progressive agenda.
Let's get a good jump in New Mexico.
Please, become a New Mexico pioneer now.
Become one of the New Mexico 100 who give $100 each.
As soon as we hit our $10,000 goal, the road trippers will be on their way.
Thank you for your ongoing and generous support.
Onward
The Nader Team
* * * * *
My head will stay in the clouds.
How else can I continue to talk with all my Ron Paul friends who think he can still win the Republican nomination?
Face it. Head in the clouds is a hallmark of this movement...one way or another.
What? You think stopping the military complex, the big pharma complex, the welfare state, the warfare state , reducing most of the federal government, returning to the Gold Standard etc etc etc. is considered "Grounded" thinking?
Why you guys have a problem with us is beyond me. We have done everything we can to get Ron Paul elected as a Republican. We have not taken any energy, time or money away from that strategy by asking for and talking about a third party run.
Third Parties don't win
Women don't get elected President
Black men don't get elected Predident
All three statements have historical weight behind them. Do you think all of these limitations still exist in this country? or just the statement about third parties?
The Republican Party was the third party when Lincoln won. So, you see, one of those three things has historical precedence.
RonPaulFaninGA,
You also point out that he continues to say he has "no plans." Why not just come out and say NO if he is really intent on absolutely not running as a non-Republican?
I think the most telling thing of all was on his January interview with Tim Russert on Meet the Press. When pressed about the third party question, he said he wanted at least a little "wiggle room" on it! Why would he say that if he had absolutely ruled it out?
In any case, there has to be at least some truth to the rumors floating around. Even if he ruled out a third party run, that does not mean independent too. And more importantly, Ron Paul has been very loyal to his followers, just as we have been loyal to him. If pressed politely by popular demand, he will very likely run independent. Just as it took popular pressure to get him to form an exploratory committee, and then launch into a full fledged Republican run.
We can get Dr. Paul to run! All we need is a little organization to petition and pledge support for an independent run, and channel this demand in an unmistakable way to the campaign and RP himself.
Poll results as of 4:50PM est on March 8:
175 votes
48% (84 people): Great (option 1)
29% (49 people): total of Bad+Horrible+Stupid (options 4, 5, & 6)
71.18% Good (options 1-3) (but 10% of those say he could NEVER win (option 2))
28.83% Bad (options 4-6)
So 61% is pretty darn strong (104 people on this forum so far)--that's people that think it would be a good idea AND that he could win it (options 1 and 3).
27.06% say he could NEVER win (options 2 and 5).
Mods: Please do not move this poll. It can't get properly voted on and discussed if it is moved.
Disclaimer: I have done a TON, financially and otherwise for RP, and I still am: On Saturday at 8AM I am attending our county convention (Douglas County, NV) with many family members and friends who are also delegates and alternates. And we plan on going to state and then being one of 34 and go to St. Paul. So I am not giving up on restoring the GOP. But like the founders, I think we need to get away from parties--that's more important. And I am a real supporter, because I would give thousands more and do tons more if he declared indy.
What is the subtitle of this forum? So all you GOP lovers, stop giving up, and let's get the job done.
Starting tomorrow, I will be setting up booths with Ron Paul literature and also walking around gathering signatures at the local university, community colleges, stores, etc. Also, I can get scores of sigs at my work at the National Guard Armory. I can get scores from family and friends. I can get about 150 from the meetup groups.
I got 140 signatures today, in less than 4 hours--I talked to a ton of people and gave out a big box of RP literature! Most of the people who signed barely knew about Ron Paul (at UNR and in my neighborhood door-to-door). Everybody at my work (the national guard armory) and of course my family and friends and my friends from meetup knew him. 53 people said they would "definitely vote" for him. 21 people said they would definitely donate, and the total came to $5,686 (avg. $406--so big because there's a 1000, a 2000, and a 1776.00). 41 of the signers put Republican as their political party, 39 Democrat, 52 unaffiliated/independent.
If you want the PDF, PM me.
I will upload scans of the petition forms, blacking out column 1 (name & street address) and phone number. Please do the same.
After I make a backup copy, I will be sending these to the campaign. I will post the images online with all personal info blacked out.
to zoom in on image go here, zoom is to top-right of image: http://picasaweb.google.com/croweswedding/RP/photo#5174763392170997490
You still think something can happen at the convention? Here... The important part of this is: 1. 80% of delegates come from Primary states, 2. more than 80% of those delegates will be pledged, 3. those states are almost all winner-take-all, 4. McCain gets to research and approve (choose basically) all those delegates, 5. Ron Paul only got 5% average in all those primaries, and did not win any of them outright.
The most important part is: 86%-95% of the voters and delegates voted for a pro-war, non-Paul candidate. Even if we won half of Romney's people and half of Huckabee's people (extremely, ridiculously, stupidly unlikely) we would still only have like 30% of the delegates. And 80% of Republicans pro-war (thus very anti-Paul), so they would never vote for Ron Paul--even if McCain died, and Romney and Huckabee--it doesn't matter--they would choose many other people before they would ever choose Ron Paul.
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