POLL: Draft Ron Paul, indy run? I got 140 signatures today...

What is your view of an independent/unaffiliated run (or Third Party)?

  • Great: It would get the message out in a huge way-a ton more than already-& HE COULD WIN.

    Votes: 117 43.8%
  • Good: It would get the message out in a huge way, but still, HE COULD NEVER WIN.

    Votes: 23 8.6%
  • Just smart: GOP would never nominate him, parties are a curse anyway, and it COULD succeed.

    Votes: 36 13.5%
  • Bad: EVEN IF he could win, changing the GOP is more important-so don't piss them off.

    Votes: 18 6.7%
  • Horrible: He could never win, it would be a huge waste of time&money, & GOP more important.

    Votes: 53 19.9%
  • Stupid: He still has a reasonably good chance of winning the Nomination.

    Votes: 20 7.5%

  • Total voters
    267

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POLL: Draft Ron Paul, indy run? I got 213 signatures total...

I got 73 more signatures today (well, my father-in-law and my father got almost half of those).

still 2/3rds in favor! (March 11th at 11:37 est)

Boy I wish we would organize and do something like this (but all over the country)--man we could make some amazing impact! Imagine how much we could spread the message and recruit new people!:

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My head will stay in the clouds.

How else can I continue to talk with all my Ron Paul friends who think he can still win the Republican nomination?

Face it. Head in the clouds is a hallmark of this movement...one way or another.

What? You think stopping the military complex, the big pharma complex, the welfare state, the warfare state , reducing most of the federal government, returning to the Gold Standard etc etc etc. is considered "Grounded" thinking?

Why you guys have a problem with us is beyond me. We have done everything we can to get Ron Paul elected as a Republican. We have not taken any energy, time or money away from that strategy by asking for and talking about a third party run.

Third Parties don't win
Women don't get elected President
Black men don't get elected Predident

All three statements have historical weight behind them. Do you think all of these limitations still exist in this country? or just the statement about third parties?

The Republican Party was the third party when Lincoln won. So, you see, one of those three things has historical precedence.

RonPaulFaninGA,
You also point out that he continues to say he has "no plans." Why not just come out and say NO if he is really intent on absolutely not running as a non-Republican?

I think the most telling thing of all was on his January interview with Tim Russert on Meet the Press. When pressed about the third party question, he said he wanted at least a little "wiggle room" on it!
Why would he say that if he had absolutely ruled it out?

In any case, there has to be at least some truth to the rumors floating around. Even if he ruled out a third party run, that does not mean independent too. And more importantly, Ron Paul has been very loyal to his followers, just as we have been loyal to him. If pressed politely by popular demand, he will very likely run independent. Just as it took popular pressure to get him to form an exploratory committee, and then launch into a full fledged Republican run.

We can get Dr. Paul to run! All we need is a little organization to petition and pledge support for an independent run, and channel this demand in an unmistakable way to the campaign and RP himself.



Poll results as of 4:50PM est on March 8:

175 votes

48% (84 people): Great (option 1)
29% (49 people): total of Bad+Horrible+Stupid (options 4, 5, & 6)

71.18% Good (options 1-3) (but 10% of those say he could NEVER win (option 2))
28.83% Bad (options 4-6)

So 61% is pretty darn strong (104 people on this forum so far)--that's people that think it would be a good idea AND that he could win it (options 1 and 3).

27.06% say he could NEVER win (options 2 and 5).

Mods: Please do not move this poll. It can't get properly voted on and discussed if it is moved.

Disclaimer: I have done a TON, financially and otherwise for RP, and I still am: On Saturday at 8AM I am attending our county convention (Douglas County, NV) with many family members and friends who are also delegates and alternates. And we plan on going to state and then being one of 34 and go to St. Paul. So I am not giving up on restoring the GOP. But like the founders, I think we need to get away from parties--that's more important. And I am a real supporter, because I would give thousands more and do tons more if he declared indy.

What is the subtitle of this forum? So all you GOP lovers, stop giving up, and let's get the job done.

Starting tomorrow, I will be setting up booths with Ron Paul literature and also walking around gathering signatures at the local university, community colleges, stores, etc. Also, I can get scores of sigs at my work at the National Guard Armory. I can get scores from family and friends. I can get about 150 from the meetup groups.

I got 140 signatures today, in less than 4 hours--I talked to a ton of people and gave out a big box of RP literature! Most of the people who signed barely knew about Ron Paul (at UNR and in my neighborhood door-to-door). Everybody at my work (the national guard armory) and of course my family and friends and my friends from meetup knew him. 53 people said they would "definitely vote" for him. 21 people said they would definitely donate, and the total came to $5,686 (avg. $406--so big because there's a 1000, a 2000, and a 1776.00). 41 of the signers put Republican as their political party, 39 Democrat, 52 unaffiliated/independent.

If you want the PDF, PM me.

I will upload scans of the petition forms, blacking out column 1 (name & street address) and phone number. Please do the same.

After I make a backup copy, I will be sending these to the campaign. I will post the images online with all personal info blacked out.

to zoom in on image go here, zoom is to top-right of image: http://picasaweb.google.com/croweswedding/RP/photo#5174763392170997490

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You still think something can happen at the convention? Here... The important part of this is: 1. 80% of delegates come from Primary states, 2. more than 80% of those delegates will be pledged, 3. those states are almost all winner-take-all, 4. McCain gets to research and approve (choose basically) all those delegates, 5. Ron Paul only got 5% average in all those primaries, and did not win any of them outright.

The most important part is: 86%-95% of the voters and delegates voted for a pro-war, non-Paul candidate. Even if we won half of Romney's people and half of Huckabee's people (extremely, ridiculously, stupidly unlikely) we would still only have like 30% of the delegates. And 80% of Republicans pro-war (thus very anti-Paul), so they would never vote for Ron Paul--even if McCain died, and Romney and Huckabee--it doesn't matter--they would choose many other people before they would ever choose Ron Paul.

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Absolutely nothing will come from an indy run. You will only have a media blackout worse than it is now, and an even lower chance of winning the general election that now.

Why do you think that? What chance do we have of winning now? The same chance as Kucinich winning the Dem nomination: negative 10 percent.

Ross Perot only spent 64 million on his campaign--a little over 100 million in todays dollars. NOT BILLIONS. So anybody that says so is a fing idiot!--actually they are probably dishonest. And Ron Paul's grassroots is a hundred times more devoted and ready to sacrifice and fight. And the nay-sayers will say "We can't get on the ballots--it's impossible!" Oh, but Ross Perot could? Morons. And Ross Perot was in first place by 9 points (or 8--whatever it was) before he dropped out and said he was threatened (and he still got 19% of the vote--which is great--and Ron Paul is way more amazing than Perot, with way bigger support. And the conditions are similar--there was a recession in '92--now 70% of Americans polled think the economy is bad and likely to get worse, inflation is soaring and gas is still painfully expensive. And then you have the war. The Dems have the war, but they can't get the fiscal, immigration, gun, and school conservatives. The Republicans have what they have (i would argue, not much, with their current candidate, except they would be guaranteed 90% of the pro-war vote (so 30% maybe))--but 72% of Americans want the war to end.

the only reason Ron Paul wouldn't run indy is if he doesn't get overwhelming support for it. That is the only reason he ran in this race. If hundreds of thousands of people write him letters saying they want him to run, they will send money, and get signatures, and canvass, then he will do it. As one of those soldiers that has given to him and worked for his campaign, and knowing that so many of my buddies in Iraq and soon to go back want him to be President so bad, I feel like he will consider that and do it for us troops (and of course for everyone else)--but I mean, it has to mean something incredibly huge that the nation's troops want him as their commander in chief so badly! Please Mr. Paul, please run, please fight, and we will fight with you for a win...


If Ron Paul declared an indy run (after March 4th of course) then he could raise 25 million right off the bat. Everyone I know would give twice what they already have. We could get 200,000 precinct captains and get the 38 states back that are useless to us now in the Repub race because they've already voted, and have 7 months to canvass. Run a couple nationwide amazing infomercials.

Country over party. Remember what all the founders (the good ones) said about parties? Do you think they'd agree that Ron Paul should care more about offending the GOP than fighting for the Constitution, freedom, and government of the people?
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We could have an entire forum, NOT A SUBFORUM OF G.C., devoted to "Independent/Third Party Run"... (I'm definitely for indy...but it doesn't matter for the Forum.)

Then we could give every state a ballot subforum. We could have 1 master "ballot" subforum for talk about meta-ballot issues, like legal challenges, places to find sources about ballot issues, etc.

There could be 1 main subforum for general discussion.

This poll is about numbers, not necessarily percentage. If a ton of us want one, that would be great to know.

March 4, 2008: Paul defeats Peden

March 5, 2008: Paul announces independent run

April 15, 2008: Paul sets new, single-day online fundraising record

June 1, 2008: Paul at 15% in multiple opinion polls

July 31, 2008: Paul, with double-digit support, accepts presidential debates invitation

September 1, 2008: McCain, Clinton and Paul in three-way tie in national polls

October 31, 2008: Race still neck-and-neck-and-neck

November 4, 2008: Paul wins

November 5, 2008: Paul resigns TX-14 U.S. House seat, Peden the favorite to win special election

January 20, 2009: Paul sworn in as 44th U.S. President

Well, you guys can go ahead and not give a crap about your country, but my brother and I are going to Iraq in August, so I actually give a crap, because I'd like Ron Paul to start bringing us home quickly in January, and then he could start sending us after al-Queda and Osama, etc. So, yeah, go ahead and call me "not a real RP supporter" or say that I "don't think he can win"--because I actually think it is incredibly important that he be our president, and I absolutely think he can win as an independent, and I care much, much more about ending the Iraq war, restoring freedom, and saving our economy than I do about the GOP. And how many Americans would love to start to take down the horrible two-party system? Most. (INCLUDING Ron Paul--the stupidest, most incredible thing that people use as an argument against an indy run, is that "Ron Paul has always been a Republican--he's the true Republican--he would lose credibility with the GOP (just forget that he has almost none now because 85% of Repubs are rabidly pro-war and most his primary votes came from new registrees)--blah, blah, blah--BUT they forget, Ron Paul hates the party system, just like the founders did. And what of his undying loyalty to the wonderful GOP? BS: he resigned from the GOP--and he's a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party.

AHHHHHHH STOP IT GOT DAMN IT!!!!!

HE WON'T GET THE HUGE SUPPORT YOU THINK HE WILL IN ANY POLL!!!!

STOP BEING DELUSIONAL!

You are part of the people that make the grassroots look like idiots and lunatics. Fucking stop it.

Why do you say that? If so, why are you here and why did you give huge amounts of time and money to Ron Paul? So he could get huge support and win the Presidency. We just went after the completely wrong base, GOP voters, who are 85% die-hard pro Iraq War and pro USA PATRIOT Act.

You just said he won't get any big amount of support--so, do you think he is going to win at the Convention? How is he going to do that, without huge support? And if he did, 70% of Republican voters would still be against him and laugh at the Convention results. But only a complete psychotic retard could ever think Ron Paul will win at the Convention, let alone get to speak at it. Speak at it? He is against the war and against McCain, he said he wouldn't endorse him.

They will not let him speak. And what good will it do. Buchanan spoke at the convention.

Listen, people are constantly asking me, "When is Ron Paul going to announce that he is running independent?" They are desperate for it.

If you want Ron Paul to run for 3rd party then you are unfaithful and coward!

I'm so tired of this crap!

If you don't want Ron Paul to run indy, then you don't want what's best for this country. If you don't think he can win, then you are being willfully blind, and contradicting what you thought for so long: it was going to be extremely, awesomely tough for him to win the Nomination considering that 85% of GOP voters were for the war, but you supported him then, and you thought he could win it, and win the general if he got it.

And, by the way, how about you go join the military and join me and all those troops that were trying their hardest to send a message to Ron Paul and the country by donating overwhelmingly to him. Aholes.

I have given so much to Ron Paul, but I also have hope that he will win the white house... even if it means going iNDY, which I think is, by far, the best option.

You want me to put up or shut up, well then here (this is besides the over 300 cold calls and 200 houses I've canvassed, plus more crap--this doesn't count the $100 for the MLK money bomb, the $51 for the Anniversary money bomb, the 250 for the danged blimp, the 250 for something else I don't even remember now, plus 100 here and another 100 there, plus about 75 for my meetup collection baskets!):

this doesn't include another 100 and 100 for his congressional seat

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Here's my wife: $201

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Here's my father in law:

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My dad's doesn't show up, even though he gave 100.
 
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I think Paul should remain GOP and keep trying to change them from within. I think like-minded people also need to infiltrate the GOP to take it back over. Hopefully he has started the biggest recruitment ever to pull the GOP back to where it should be.

A lot of like-minded people do not like the GOP and prefer to go 3rd party. I have no issue with that. I say make changes from both the inside and the outside - attack from all angles.

All in all, it is up to Paul. If a good 3rd party candidate arises and Paul is not the GOP candidate, then I will vote for him/her. I vote for the stances of the candidate, not the party. If a good 3rd party candidate does not arise, I will write-in Ron Paul even if I have to engrave it into the Diebold touchscreens.

I want to see Paul as the candidate as much as anyone else, but keeping him in Congess is the next best thing (and may he be the biggest recruitment beacon for all that understand his message).

P.S. I did not vote because none of the reasons fully match my thoughts and they seem a little leading.
 
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join us in supporting an indy run:

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Paul has said repeatedly that he will not run 3rd party. Why would he lie to us like that?

No he hasn't!

He was absolutely right--and honest--to say that he "has no intention of going iNDEPENDENT or Third Party" because, right now (at least before today's results), his only intention is to win the Republican nomination. He 100% fully intends (or intended) to wholeheartedly run and try his best to win as a Republican while he is running as such, and he says so. He has NEVER, EVER said "I will not run iNDY". He has never, ever said "I will never run iNDY". But IF it becomes clear he cannot win the nomination, then he can go independent.

I would be very, very, very sad if he didn't go iNDY. He could win it, especially against Hillary (and she seems like the chosen one (it's all about the superdelegates).

Ron Paul said that he will continue to run as long as he continues to get support: canvassing and financing. He's not stupid. He will be able to see when continuing to run Republican will be a futile waste. Then if he has the support he mentioned, he will have to keep going. Key points:

1. A brokered convention is not going to happen.

2. Canvassing is done for almost all the states as of now, unless he goes iNDY. If he goes iNDY, on the other hand, we would have 7 months to canvass and get 200,000 plus precinct captains.

3. ...:

my dad said he'd donate another 500 to Paul (IF he announces 3rd party) (he donated 200 on Dec. 16th--but that was when it seemed like he REALLY could maybe, possibly win the Nom. I would donate 500 the day he declares (even though it will hurt financially), whereas I can't afford to give anymore (I gave just over a 1,100 in Q4 to the cause--so shut up) for his Republican run; and gramps would probably wager another 1776.00

The 2nd and 3rd tier, broader-base of supporters aren't (many or most of them) going to donate MORE--if they already have once--because TO THEM it is obvious or at least nearly certain that he's not going to get the Nom from the Republican party (I'm not saying I believe that--but they DO). However, they would be very willing and enthusiastic about supporting him in an iNDEPENDENT run.


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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/20/poll-an-independent-president/

July 20, 2007, 5:08 pm Poll: An Independent President

By Megan Thee

In a New York Times/CBS News Poll taken last week, half of Americans said a president who is neither a Republican nor a Democrat could govern effectively.
And with 6 in 10 Republican primary voters and almost 4 in 10 Democratic primary voters saying they are not satisfied with their party’s current slate of candidates for the presidential nomination, the political environment could be ripe for an independent candidate to break into the race.
[THAT'S HALF]
Michael Bloomberg, a newly minted independent who says he’s not intent on making a run for the White House even though he just switched affiliations, is largely unknown by most Americans. Six in 10 registered voters said they haven’t heard enough about him yet to have an opinion; 9 percent view him favorably; 9 percent unfavorably; and 18 percent said they are undecided.
The current poll suggests that Americans are significantly more optimistic about the chances of a third-party president meeting with success, than they were in 1995 before the Bill Clinton-Bob Dole-Ross Perot contest. In the summer of 1995, just 30 percent of Americans said an independent president could govern effectively and 61 percent said such a president would encounter serious problems dealing with Congress.
Forty-four percent of those polled recently said such a president would have trouble dealing with Congress.

Independents and Republicans are significantly more supportive of a third-party president than are Democrats. Similarly, younger Americans are more open to the idea of an independent president — as respondent age increases, the incidence of those saying an independent could govern effectively decreases.


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Yeah--we couldn't get on the ballots WITH SEVEN MONTHS TO DO SO?! Whatever. What a bunch of crap. How the F did Perot do it? We have way more grassroots than he did. And DON'T SAY, "With his billions." He spent 65 million--look on wikipedia. What cost $65000000 in 1990 would cost $107,402,877.98 in 2007. source: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi


You know what's really "never gonna happen"? The Republican nomination. So for people that want ONE THING and one thing only--Ron Paul to be in the whitehouse--an iNDY run must be discussed. For all you that care more about "changing the GOP", fine--you can continue to argue your point that that would be better than a Ron Paul win in the General.

An independent run is virtually impossible.
The ballot access battle is ridiculously difficult and would never happen
if Ron Paul tried to go independent.

With the sheer numbers of grassroots supporters already keyed in
the feasibility of undercutting the MSM stranglehold in the general election exists.
The organization does not cease to exist - who wants to abandon hope?
Not while we are still organized - that would be nuts.
Let us keep this thing together - no matter what.

The biggest part of making a third-party run is already in place.

The only realistic choice is to go with the Libertarian Party.

I won't vote for anyone but Ron Paul, no matter what happens.

But all this is still premature - let's wait for the results.
It is only a few hours until all the rest of the cards are on the table.


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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287190,00.html
FOX News Poll: Third Party President Good for Country

Thursday, June 28, 2007
By Dana Blanton
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NEW YORK — Nearly half of Americans think it would be good for the country if an independent candidate won the 2008 presidential election, according to the latest FOX News Poll. And despite acknowledging the improbability of the candidate winning, a majority says they would consider voting for an independent for president.
Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from June 26 to June 27. The poll has a 3-point error margin.
More than twice as many voters think it would be good for the country if an independent candidate were to win the White House in 2008 than think it would be bad (45 percent good, 19 percent bad). In addition, there is rare partisan agreement on the issue as 42 percent of Democrats and 44 percent of Republicans think electing an independent candidate would be good for the country, as do 56 percent of self-described independents.
Click here to view full results of the poll. (pdf)
Furthermore, a 67 percent majority says they would consider casting their ballot for an independent — including more than 6 in 10 Democrats and Republicans.
Even so, most people believe independent candidates have little chance of success: 31 percent of voters think a qualified independent has a reasonable chance of winning a presidential election, while a 63 percent majority thinks it’s unlikely.
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Related"It appears that many voters believe a vote for a candidate who has little chance of winning still is not a wasted vote," said Opinion Dynamics Vice President Lawrence Shiman. "A substantial percentage of both parties are willing to consider supporting independent candidacies regardless of the candidate’s chances of winning."
Given the amount of attention to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s party affiliation switch from Republican to independent, and the subsequent speculation about him entering the 2008 race, the poll asked people how they would vote in a 3-way race.
The recent media coverage fails to move the numbers much from earlier in the month. Bloomberg’s 7 percent support is unchanged, and obviously puts him far behind the major party front-runners Democrat Hillary Clinton (39 percent) and Republican Rudy Giuliani (37 percent).
Paris Better Known Than Romney, Thompson
Among the presidential hopefuls, Giuliani is not only one of the best known, but he also continues to be viewed the most positively, receiving a 54 percent favorable rating. Most voters are also familiar with Republican candidate John McCain — 47 percent have a favorable opinion of him and only 5 percent don’t know him.
Republicans Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson are much less well known than the other Republican and Democratic candidates. In fact, more people say they have "never heard of" Thompson, Romney and Bloomberg, than Paris Hilton — only 7 percent of Americans were unable to express an opinion of her.
Today, even though one in five Americans (22 percent) say they have never heard of Romney, that represents a noticeable improvement from earlier this year when 43 percent didn’t know him (Jan. 30-31, 2007). However, as many voters have an unfavorable opinion of Romney (26 percent) as have a favorable opinion (25 percent). His favorable rating is 39 percent among Republicans.
Thompson’s name recognition is also picking up — 32 percent say they have never heard of him today, down from 53 percent in March. His favorable rating is 30 percent overall and 46 percent among Republicans, with 16 percent of all voters holding an unfavorable view.
For Bloomberg, 20 percent have never heard of him, an improvement from 35 percent last month (15-16 May 2007). Bloomberg’s current favorable rating is 23 percent, with 24 percent holding an unfavorable view. Attitudes toward Bloomberg are similar among Democrats (25 percent favorable) and Republicans (22 percent favorable).
The Democratic contenders are well known to voters, as majorities are able to offer an opinion on each of them. About half of Americans have a favorable view of John Edwards (49 percent), Clinton (46 percent) and Barack Obama (46 percent). Al Gore’s favorable rating is 48 percent.
For a political comparison, President Bush’s current favorable rating is 37 percent and virtually all Americans express an opinion.
For a popular culture comparison, 7 percent of Americans say they have a favorable opinion of Paris Hilton (73 percent unfavorable) and 7 percent have never heard of her.
Standings in the Primaries
In the race for the Republican nomination, Giuliani retains the leader spot at 29 percent followed by McCain at 17 percent, Thompson at 15 percent, Romney at 8 percent and Newt Gingrich at 8 percent. Giuliani is up 7 points from earlier this month, though still 10 percentage points down from 39 percent in February.
Among Democrats, Clinton strengthens her front-runner status with the support of 42 percent (up 6 points), followed by Obama at 19 percent (down 4 points), Gore at 14 percent and Edwards at 10 percent.
When Gore is taken out of the mix, Clinton’s standing improves to 47 percent, Obama 21 percent and Edwards 13 percent.
Where People Are Learning About The Candidates
Television clearly is the most popular place to get information about the presidential candidates, but there are certainly many other options these days. The poll finds that 88 percent of voters are getting information about the candidates from television coverage, 69 percent from newspapers and 51 percent radio coverage.
Internet news sites are a source for 38 percent of Americans, which is distinguished from these specific online sources: 11 percent say they use blogs, 7 percent YouTube and 4 percent use MySpace to learn about the candidates.
About twice as many Americans think Conservative radio talk shows (38 percent) have more influence on politics these days than Liberal Internet blogs (17 percent).
Finally, 53 percent of voters today think it is too early for the 2008 presidential candidates to be campaigning — up from 47 percent who thought so four months ago (February 13-14).
 
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I'd love to see Dr. P run independent. It'd give us all spring and summer to continue spreading his message.

Could he possibly accept both the libertarian and constition party nominations? Is that allowed? That would get him on the ballot in all 50 state, I think. If not, here are our signature deadlines for an indy run:

Looks like someone has already done a lot of this work for us:

http://colbert08.us/content/view/15/2/

* Alabama

Ballot Access Deadline 9/8/2008
Signatures Required 5,000

* Alaska

Ballot Access Deadline 8/6/2008
Signatures Required 3,128

* Arizona

Ballot Access Deadline 3/6/2008
Signatures Required 20,449

* Arkansas

Ballot Access Deadline 8/4/2008
Signatures Required 1,000

* California

Ballot Access Deadline 8/8/2008
Signatures Required 158,372

* Colorado

Ballot Access Deadline 5/1/2008
Signatures Required 10,000

* Connecticut

Ballot Access Deadline 8/6/2008
Signatures Required 7,500

* Delaware

Ballot Access Deadline 11/30/2007
Signatures Required 290

* District of Columbia
* Florida (will have info soon)
* Georgia

Ballot Access Deadline 7/8/2008
Signatures Required 44,089

* Hawaii

Ballot Access Deadline 4/3/2008
Signatures Required 663

* Idaho

Ballot Access Deadline 8/25/2008
Signatures Required 5,984

* Illinois

Ballot Access Deadline 6/26/2008
Signatures Required 25,000

* Indiana

Ballot Access Deadline 6/23/2008
Signatures Required 32,742

* Iowa

Ballot Access Deadline 8/15/2008
Signatures Required 1,500

* Kansas

Ballot Access Deadline 8/4/2008
Signatures Required 5,000

* Kentucky

Ballot Access Deadline 9/2/2008
Signatures Required 5,000

* Louisiana

Ballot Access Deadline 5/22/2008
Signatures Required 1,000

* Maine

Ballot Access Deadline 8/15/2008
Signatures Required 4,000

* Maryland

Ballot Access Deadline 8/4/2008
Signatures Required 10,000

* Massachusetts

Ballot Access Deadline 7/29/2008
Signatures Required 10,000

* Michigan

Ballot Access Deadline 7/17/2008
Signatures Required 38,024

* Minnesota

Ballot Access Deadline 9/9/2008
Signatures Required 2,000

* Mississippi (coming soon)

* Missouri

Ballot Access Deadline 7/19/2008
Signatures Required 10,000

* Montana

Ballot Access Deadline 3/13/2008
Signatures Required 5,000

* Nebraska

Ballot Access Deadline 8/1/2008
Signatures Required 5,934

* Nevada

Ballot Access Deadline 7/3/2008
Signatures Required 5,746

* New Hampshire

Ballot Access Deadline 8/6/2008
Signatures Required 3,000

* New Jersey

Ballot Access Deadline 7/28/2008
Signatures Required 800

* New Mexico

Ballot Access Deadline 4/1/2008
Signatures Required 2,794

* New York

Ballot Access Deadline 8/19/2008
Signatures Required 15,000

* North Carolina

Ballot Access Deadline 5/16/2008
Signatures Required 69,734

* North Dakota

Ballot Access Deadline ?????
Signatures Required 4,000

* Ohio

Ballot Access Deadline 8/1/2008
Signatures Required 5,000

* Oklahoma

Ballot Access Deadline 5/1/2008
Signatures Required 46,342

* Oregon

Ballot Access Deadline 8/26/2008
Signatures Required 18,356

* Pennsylvania

Ballot Access Deadline 8/1/2008
Signatures Required 27,000

* Rhode Island

Ballot Access Deadline 9/5/2008
Signatures Required 1,000

* South Carolina

Ballot Access Deadline 5/1/2008
Signatures Required 10,000

* South Dakota

Ballot Access Deadline 8/5/2008
Signatures Required 3,356

* Tennessee

Ballot Access Deadline 8/21/2008
Signatures Required 275

* Texas

Ballot Access Deadline 5/27/2008
Signatures Required 43,991

* Utah

Ballot Access Deadline 2/15/2008
Signatures Required 2,000

* Vermont

Ballot Access Deadline 9/12/2008
Signatures Required 1,000

* Virginia

Ballot Access Deadline ????
Signatures Required ????

* Washington

Ballot Access Deadline 7/26/2008
Signatures Required 1,000

* West Virginia

Ballot Access Deadline ????
Signatures Required ????

* Wisconsin

Ballot Access Deadline 9/2/2008
Signatures Required 10,000

* Wyoming

Ballot Access Deadline 6/1/2008
Signatures Required 3,868


I like the petition to get Dr. P to run indy. One other thought is if we got Dr. P enough signatures to be on the ballot in a few states that might also make him reconsider an indy run.
 
I think it would be good to postulate another high profile libertarian-conservative such as Walter Williams or Gary Johnson as the presidential candidate and Ron Paul as their running mate.

That way the sore loser aspect is taken away, and Ron Paul would still draw the enthusiasm and energy to the freedom movement.
 
I agree

I think it would be good to postulate another high profile libertarian-conservative such as Walter Williams or Gary Johnson as the presidential candidate and Ron Paul as their running mate.

That way the sore loser aspect is taken away, and Ron Paul would still draw the enthusiasm and energy to the freedom movement.

the gop is dead in the water. the gop blackout of ron paul was all GOP ,the msm was encouraged by the GOP. THE GOP IS TO BLAME for what happened to ron paul.
 
If you're going to go to the trouble to circulate a petition in your state, please please word it in such a way that it can be used to gain Dr. Paul ballot access as well. If the one works, the other must follow. Why waste your energy twice?
 
I am purely neutral. I will vote for Ron if it's write-in, Indy or GOP.

I'll write Ron Paul in even if I have to write his name on the diebold screen. :p

I have talked to many, many people about Ron Paul. By far, the biggest objection to him is the fact that he's a republican, second only to his foreign policy position which had been effectively bastardized by the msm. With time, that can easily be clarified by further grassroots efforts. Besides, we now have no anti-war candidates running (and don't tell me obamination is anti-war; anyone who "wouldn't take nukes off the table" is NOT anti-war). Third is, "I like him but he can't win". Many people told me that it's high time we had a good independent candidate; that neither the repubs nor the dems are worth a damn.

The economy is going into the toilet on a daily basis. Ron Paul may have been ignored by the msm but [some of] his message has not. I now hear his words being repeated by talking heads everywhere. As things get progressively worse, I believe that people are going to look for answers and they're going to find that Ron Paul has been talking about answers all along.

The message is radical because people have been brainwashed for sooooo long. It takes time to educate people and change minds. It took me "forever" to work on some of my friends but they ultimately did vote for Ron Paul and were proud of it! :D

Point is, the more time we have with Ron Paul in the limelight, the more opportunity we have to spread the message. So I'm all for an independent run and I'll give my bottom dollar and all of my free time to the effort.

In the meantime, I'm working my rear off within the republican party even as I don't have great hope for success. Still, making noise within the party has so far been quite effective. Many are not happy at all at the direction of the party. One way or another, they need a major shake-up.

So yes, I want this once-in-a-lifetime chance to save our country to never go away. I don't care about party labels. It's about the message.
 
Clearly the time is now for Dr. Paul to go independent. To anyone who continues to doubt this idea, I ask, what are you doing here? Here are the two reasons that trump all the reasons why you may think he should not -

1) As Ron Paul has said himself, this is about the message. If Ron Paul goes independent, this would give us more time and more energy to continue to do what we are doing: spreading the message of liberty. That isn't some fluffy, feel-good, bromide being tossed around, it's REAL. The message of free markets, free minds, inidividual rights and liberty is so crucial at this moment in history, we must solider on. If not, why? Again, what are you doing here? This isn't a football game, and it isn't about winning anymore, it's about the message.

2) The unknown. Sure, it's likely that an independent run won't get Ron into the white house, but, would you be willing to bet your mother's life on it? Can you see the future? Never ever, say never. The time may be just right for such a thing. And regardless - this second reason is truly secondary to the first reason of continuing to spread this message to a large American audience. We simply cannot afford to stop now. NO OTHER CANDIDATE HAS RON'S MESSAGE. IT MUST CONTINUE.

Btw, who gives a crap about the GOP. They've all sold out to the neocon agenda. What absurdity it would be now to adhere to some sense of "party loyalty." Absolute hogwash. The message is what matters, not the party.
 
No reason to stop trying to hijack the convention. McCain could be under indictment by September the way he's going. No one would ever penalize a delegate for not voting for someone under indictment.

Hell, I don't see any way a jury would convict a delegate for violating a state law about bound delegates if the defense was, he was born in Panama and is therefore ineligible.

Yeah, the G.O.P. is dead--and particularly brain dead. We can fix that. Really. CLEAR!
 
RON PAUL DOES NOT SUPPORT THE DRAFT!

Our message is FREEDOM and you want to FORCE him to run???

Pure AssHats who don't understand his message at ALL!

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!
 
Force him to run? You're stupid. Where did we say force? Wait I just woke up--maybe you were joking?
 
Just talked with someone close to RP's Chief of Staff. RP is considering what to do right now.

We need to give him a poll showing overwhelming support for an independent run.

Please vote in the affirmative NOW!
 
Just talked with someone close to RP's Chief of Staff. RP is considering what to do right now.

We need to give him a poll showing overwhelming support for an independent run.

Please vote in the affirmative NOW!

At the moment, great good and smart are beating the bad to horrible parts by fifty three and a half points. How overwhelming do we need to be?

I still say he shouldn't renounce the G.O.P. just yet, even though I'm ready to tackle the state ballot access petitions.
 
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