Police officers shot in Las Vegas

wow, here we go. almost every news site is using this to label tea party, libertarian, NRA member etc a wacko. ive read- "gasden flag" "Ron Paul books" "Bundy supporter" . i think what we're seeing is the left, after months of obama getting hammered in the media finally expressing built up aggression and vitriol towards a movement that has taken over the spotlight...this is their chance to pin a damning label on it and attempt to marginalize it for future use. but they forget that in the 24 hour non-stop news and social media world, the public will likely move on eventually and forget about most of this.

Theyre playing the part of the Illusion of Choice again with the Two Party System.

All that is really happening is they wait for people to get sick of this form of tyranny and say that form of tyranny is better, and people fall for it, hook, line, and sinker.
 
wow, here we go. almost every news site is using this to label tea party, libertarian, NRA member etc a wacko. ive read- "gasden flag" "Ron Paul books" "Bundy supporter" . i think what we're seeing is the left, after months of obama getting hammered in the media finally expressing built up aggression and vitriol towards a movement that has taken over the spotlight...this is their chance to pin a damning label on it and attempt to marginalize it for future use. but they forget that in the 24 hour non-stop news and social media world, the public will likely move on eventually and forget about most of this.

Not if the politicians and their media sycophants have something to say about it. They'll remind of "it" (whatever it really is) every chance they get. Don't think for a second that Dana Bash won't try to tie Rand to these people simply because of Ron's name having been injected into it. It's the only ammo they have but they'll use it. They don't care.

Anyone also notice that these facebook pages were "discovered" by none other than the head Wonkette, a website known for it's over-the-top vitriol against all things conservative? I haven't looked into it yet but those pages could have easily been created in advance with all the buzzwords the left loves to demonize Tea Party types with. I'm not entirely sure this whole thing isn't concocted and staged but I have serious reservations about these facebook pages, at least. They just seem "too good to be true" for our opposition, especially with the homegrown terrorist taskforce and Boxer's confiscation bill just announced days before.

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This same guy was interviewed on NBC about the Bundy Ranch before and was asked to leave the Bundy property afterward. I'm getting pretty close to calling bullshit on this whole thing.
 
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That's ridiculous. Don't know who he is, and I won't be reading his murderous nonsense. It sounds like some neoconservative who wants to kill children in foreign lands because "they are all terrorists anyway". And it also sounds like those cops who view all citizens as dangerous criminals.

Cantwell is a sometime stand-up comic who is one of those "mixed bag" LP personalities I run into in NY. He mixes his politics with his routine a lot, thus has a tendency for overstatement or profanity. I have happened to stand side by side with him at some protests, including one last year when he and I were the only LP people to show up. So I can confirm his dedication, just wish he was not carelessly inflammatory, as in this case.
 
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"Anti-government conspiracy buffs, who had spoken to neighbors about white supremacy, blah blah gadsden flag blah blah don't tread on me."

How much you want to bet they just threw "white supremacy" in there for shits and giggles
 
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Seems they were fans of CopBlock.org and Larken Rose.

See, Larken Rose is a big boy. He knows what he's doing. He realizes that speaking out and taking the positions he does will have consequences for his life. I admire him for what he's doing.
On the other hand when someone takes controversial positions speaking as a part of a group, he can hurt everyone in the group.
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The pro-gun, anti-government, Cliven Bundy-loving social media posts of the Las Vegas shooting...
Their Facebook and YouTube likes included the NRA, Rand Paul,...
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  • Janet Marie Tapia There is no justification in killing anyone ...except in self-defense....
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  • חולדה לירן What a sad and misguided couple of fools....I dont understand how a simple message of NAP gets so lost with people so horribly.
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  • William Spooner why do you believe they even did it? government told you?

    they just pick people who they can use to blame an entire movement, kill some folks, then blame some patsies..

    ofcourse they liked larken rose and copblock..

    also what controversial position is larken taking? and how does someone speak as part of a group? like singing in a choir?

    how does that hurt the group? please make sense..
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  • Elon Weintraub Of course they did it. They were dead on the scene with guns in their hands and a suicide manifesto conveniently published only the day before. There were witnesses to the shooting. You do not need the government to explain what happened. Nor is it competent enough to pull such an airtight frame job going back months.
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  • Barney Cox You don't understand so therefore I don't make sense. Perf.

    Cantwell posted an article he wrote via the CopBlock page. He's a moderator there.

    In posting the article, he repeated his belief that it was good news that there were "two less police in the world." He posted this AS COPBLOCK, NOT as Christopher Cantwell.
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  • William Spooner larkens position is you have a right to self defense
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  • Barney Cox I don't have any beef with Larken Rose.
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  • William Spooner what does this mean: "On the other hand when someone takes controversial positions speaking as a part of a group, he can hurt everyone in the group"
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  • Barney Cox ^^ answered
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  • William Spooner on some other thread?
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  • William Spooner explain to me how someone talking as part of a group hurts the group

    what do you mean by hurt? harm? someone doing harm is initiating force

    if you talk as part of a group are you initiating force on the group
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  • William Spooner are you talking about cantwell the whole time?

    if the 'harm' is that irrational violent collectivists will attack people indiscriminately, its not the person who speaks in a group that is doing the harm.. its the violent collectivists
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  • Barney Cox OK so if the president of Coca-Cola decides to advocate pedophilia, and people stop buying Coke because of that, it's the public's fault?
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  • William Spooner so what company is larken or cantwell the ceo of? and what profits will be lost, what customers do they have?
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  • Barney Cox There is no point in this. Bye.
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  • William Spooner your equivocating, there is a difference between a 'group' and a for profit corporation

    there is no point to this because your wrong, and don't want to learn why
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  • Perry St No, it's not because "he's wrong," there is no point because you can't have a conversation when the respondent thinks in extremes and is incapable of nothing else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)
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  • William Spooner which extremes?
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  • William Spooner how does being controversial and part of a group hurt the group?

    im looking for some damn clarity here

    words mean things, if your going to use words like 'hurt' and 'controversial' i think i would at least like to know what the 'hurt' is, and what the controversy is
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  • Rustled Jimmies "OK so if the president of Coca-Cola decides to advocate pedophilia, and people stop buying Coke because of that, it's the public's fault?"

    If the president of Coca-Cola advocated pedophilia, the board would probably get rid of him. I don't think the public would believe that the entire company was comprised of pedophiles or that drinking a Coca-Cola supports pedophilia.
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  • William Spooner and what extremes?
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  • Perry St That you launched into a thread with the assertion that an opaque "They" engineered this shooting and presupposing that the OP has settled into a belief about the events, when he's simply drawing an association is one example of "extremes".
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  • Perry St Someone's pet personal ethical philosophy ("I have the right to kill cops but it's not presently wise to do so") can be easily conflated with mainstream events such as this one and subject an entire organization like CopBlock to potential adverse reactions from law enforcement officers who are much more liable to commit aggressive attacks against street activists while moral busybodies who perceive themselves as merely truth sayers by repeating that "killing cops is defensible, according to the NAP", will overwhelmingly never have the balls to act on that principle. Not only is killing police poor strategy, talking about it (and postmarking it) as if it might become a viable plan is dangerous for those who are movement members and do get their hands dirty by actively engaging systems of power in the streets.
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  • William Spooner so you don't think government could do false flags? and you trust what they say? its extreme to doubt government?

    he didn't just draw an association, he asserted that members of the group harm the group when they say controversial things

    so i wanted to know what controversial thing, and how they harmed the group
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  • William Spooner who is claiming they have a right to kill cops

    they have a right to self defense, cops violate it with deadly force and deadly threat

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  • William Spooner its a major claim to claim saying stuff hurts the group, who here can't be considered a member of hundreds of 'groups', if you were doing harm by speaking they would have justification for defending against your harm. so its not extreme to ask for clarification when someone uses such reckless phrasing
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  • William Spooner i also don't understand how self defense is controversial among so called anarchists
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  • Rustled Jimmies "Not only is killing police poor strategy..."

    That depends on what the goal is. If a cop is directly violating your liberties or threatening to violate your liberties, is killing that cop considered to be "poor strategy?"

    "...talking about it (and postmarking it) as if it might become a viable plan is dangerous for those who are movement members and do get their hands dirty by actively engaging systems of power in the streets."

    The danger from those "in the streets" is already present and often materializes without anyone claiming a moral justification to kill aggressive state agents with retaliatory force.

    But I'd like to know what constitutes "getting their hands dirty?" If simply protesting is "dirtying your hands," then we have an issue with both language and proportionality. The state - which openly engages in extortion, enslavement, and murder - doesn't really give two shits about sign-waving, shouting, and Youtube videos. That ought to be obvious.

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  • Perry St If you open the link to the article from Mother Jones, you will find at the bottom of the page the alleged woman perpetrator's YouTube "likes" which include posts by Larken Rose and CopBlock.org (CopBlock being a police accountability org that recently published Cantwell's article celebrating the death of two officers and repeating within his article his belief that kiling cops is justifiable according to the NAP, but ultimately suicidal, and not presently pragmatic). If an organization that has up until now taken a somewhat peaceful approach to reform is associated with the belief that killing cops is justified (and whether that's true or not is beside the point), it is possible that it can become internal justification from LEOs for fatal run-ins with CopBlock members during their evening surveil of police activities. Self-defense isn't controversial, but when liberty movement members have adverse standing compared to society at large, positions can be taken out of context and utilized against them (and sometimes that falls back on innocent people). Resorting to the argument that "government is inherently violent so who cares?" absolutely puts the conversation between two extremes, and doesn't take into account all the human activity that takes place between an undesirable state of affairs and a desirable goal.
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  • Rustled Jimmies "Self-defense isn't controversial, but when liberty movement members have adverse standing compared to society at large, positions can be taken out of context and utilized against them (and sometimes that falls back on innocent people)."

    Sounds to me like a problem with the immoral, aggressive agents of the state - which is the original problem being protested. Their immoral and illogical justification to use further force is not a result of those speaking out against them.

    Cause and effect is being conflated here.
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  • William Spooner can you not put out such a huge block of text at once? i am asking simple 1 line questions.. can you keep it to 1 answer and not running on and on with assumptions and non sequiturs
    if the leos are the ones initiating force it is them that are doing harm, not those that talk
    and if they are only saying defense is justified in certain situations (and impractical in most situations), it is dishonest to characterize them as saying murder all cops..
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  • William Spooner ya don't blame the victim..
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  • William Spooner and don't blame those that point out who the criminals are
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  • William Spooner and don't blame those that point out that victims have a right to defend their lives
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  • William Spooner and don't presume to regulate those who are part of a 'grouping', especially when that grouping is defined by their stance on peoples rights to defend themselves..
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  • Perry St Rustled Jimmies, seeing that neither you or Willi Spooner are going to individually take up arms against the State, it's a rather empty reply to keep repeating how violent they are to someone who is obviously already aware of that. What is repeating how violent the government gaining you at this moment when there is absolutely no expectation that this state of affairs is going to shift dramatically to your favor any time soon?
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  • Perry St No one characterized anyone as saying "murder all cops"; but those who try to apply the NAP consistently come to that conclusion (as Cantwell does), falls short of encouraging it but also argue that it may, depending how many you can convert to the cause, become strategically appropriate (personally, I think it's a Pollyanish view). No one's blaming the victim; I've said that the victims can be taken out of context and have their positions used against them, especially when they are being conflated with incidences (such as the one above) that garner national attention.
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  • Rustled Jimmies "Rustled Jimmies, seeing that neither you or Willi Spooner are going to individually take up arms against the State..."

    You should not assume to know what others will do in the future.

    And have you ever considered that it is people who publicly state their refusal to acknowledge that violent retaliation is morally justifiable against aggressors that keeps those willing to retaliate from retaliating? Why should someone "individually take up arms against the State?" Why shouldn't those who acknowledge the state's nature be at least willing to join - or even support - that cause?

    There seems to be a lot of moral and philosophical agreement on principles in the libertarian and anarchist movements, but very little willingness to actually speak about the conclusions of those principles or to support any action on those principles. It seems that most of these people are more concerned with appearing to be compassionate or pacifist than responding to or retaliating against actual, violent aggression from the state. Words without action are just words - and the state knows it...the state lives by it...the state consistently acts on their words and their threats. But we're expected to just TALK about it, and only to a point that falls short of even considering the moral justification for potential future actions?
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  • Perry St I'm fairly confident that none of you will take up arms, now or in the future. As far as talking about it, I've heard Barney speak on this issue on a few different threads; I don't believe his position is that no one should talk about it, but he, understandably, had concerns that it was being pushed under the banner of CopBlock, a group that has historically focused on police transparency, and not "defensive force." If there is a shift in their organization's goals regarding strategy and "defensive force, so be it, but there has been no formal statement that this is the case, so the casual advancement of the idea that "killing cops is justified" can certainly fall back on others in the organization who don't share that moral position (not all CopBlock participants/members/supporters are "anarchists", some support the functions of law enforcement but wish it to be improved).
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  • Larken Rose If they were "fans" of mine, their comprehension skills sucked. Knocking off someone having lunch is not an act of self-defense. (If there was some particular reason they targeted those two cops as retribution for some particular act, I haven't heard it, so I won't bother debating that side of things.) And having a "revolution"--the kind with bullets and bombs--does exactly nothing to fix the underlying problem, which is the belief in "government." Speaking of which, the alleged shooters* were also apparently "fans" of all sorts of statist organizations, so they seemed to favor "statism lite" and had no particular philosophy at all, other than anger and frustration. (* Do I accept the mainstream version of what happened? Um, no. I can imagine it, but I can just as easily imagine half a dozen other twists and fabrications designed to serve the control freaks' agenda.)
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  • William Spooner quiet larken, you are a controversial person and we can't have you talking in our group
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  • Russ Dove The fact of the matter is that for whatever convenient explanation that the media gives this type of activity is and will continue to increase for many reasons, the biggest is that the human animal is not domesticateable beyond its comfort zone - history shows the victor's always kill the traitors and humans always rebel at some point.
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  • William Spooner i can only hope that this propaganda has a diminishing effect and on a smaller and smaller number of people..

    id hope it has no effect on anyone in the anarchy movement though
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  • Larken Rose William, just for that, I'll add this: do I mourn the death of those cops? Well, considering the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that those cops didn't initiate violence on a daily basis against people who weren't threatening or harming anyone, I mourn their deaths less than I mourn the many hundreds of other people who died that day who WEREN'T professional mercenaries for politicians. I would much rather no one be killed by anyone, but if a plumber or a janitor dies, it's a bigger loss to humanity than when a car-jacker, a cop, or some other parasitical aggressor dies.
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  • Michael Yurovich It smells like MKUltra.
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  • Adrian Jank I'd like to start a new "conspiracy theory" here and connect some dots that don't actually exist. : P
    "The Dawn of a New Day. May all of our sacrifices be worth it." - Jared Miller

    http://www.mojvideo.com/video-jordan.../e20c2f6ca6f3ff95751d
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  • Perry St Gary Lynn, no one has suggested that those ideologies are innately "evil" but they can be (n the fuzzy world of media) made to appear as products of the belief systems of mentally disturbed people. Conceptual association is a psychologically powerful method to discredit positions when they are connected to infamous police killers across national media. It matters not one bit if the correlation is flimsy; it has the advantage of a hyper-intensified media environment. This thread was not about the alleged killer's ideologies though; it was about how CopBlock (an organization that represents people of all political ideologies) could be subject to the same decontextualizing by seeming to give tacit approval to the murder of cops.
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  • Barney Cox Being a fan of videos discussing the ethics of shooting police officers is not the same thing ad liking coffee.
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  • Barney Cox Also, what Perry said.
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  • Perry St I don't think you were alone in this view either Barney, not by a long shot. A lot of disappointed commenters on the CopBlock post.
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  • Gary Lynn Williams Perry, I was trying to address what I know will happen in the media. Namely that people who have these ideologies will be blanketly downplayed as kooks due to the actions of these 2 individuals. I hope I'm wrong.
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  • Gary Lynn Williams Barney, looking at and being a "fan of videos discussing the ethics of shooting police officers" is also NOT the same as actually committing the act of murder, against police or anyone else. We don't have thought police, yet. The act of agression and murder is wrong, regardless of who it is against - police or anyone else. Thought and ideology are not criminal, again YET.
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  • Barney Cox Putting ideas out there with your name on it has consequences.

    That's all.

    Ad I have said elsewhere, Larken is a big boy and knows what he's doing. Cantwell cares for no one but himself.
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  • Perry St You should also note that Larken represents himself; CopBlock represents people all over the ideological spectrum, and has members that will have to go out and face potentially angry and equally radicalized police officers whose departments could, maybe, perhaps, draw the conclusion that CopBlock has lent its tacit approval to the murder of cops. Tripwire...
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  • Barney Cox Unlike me, there are people out there doing it for real. I fear for them.
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  • Tod Mills In this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDDxibGiq9Q), Larken says, starting at 2:29, "Imagine there is some cop who gets his jollies by beating black people to death. So every day or two he finds some black person and beats them to death. And we all know it and it's caught on video and there's no dispute, so this isn't a suspicion or an accusation like tons of people have seen it, it's on video, he brags about it because, hey, he's in a community of people who believes as Jody (FSP person) does, in the 'immediate danger' standard, and because of that, he keeps doing this; we keep not catching him in the act. And we catch him 2 minutes after, Oh, there's his latest dead victim, but golly, there's no imminent danger because the victim is dead and right now he isn't threatening anyone else so according to Jody and the other people who believe in this, apparently that means we can't do anything about it. We can't tackle him, we can't take him hostage and put him on trial, we can't shoot him, we can't do anything because the imminent danger isn't there. So we go, ah, darn it, missed again, so we let them keep murdering people and hopefully one of these times we'll catch him in the act, 'cause then we'd be allowed to stop him. That makes no sense and it is hugely immoral. It's a totally pro-slavery/anti-freedom position to say that an aggressor, as long as, if you don't catch him in the act, you can't do anything about it. You can protest, you can boycott, you can whine at him, but if he is not in the act of attacking somebody, it's not okay to go do something about it......
    Actually, it is. If there there was some road cop randomly beating people to death as a hobby, I personally on my own have the right to go hunt him down and kill him.
    "

    Fact: ALL cops initiate violence against people, some of whom have committed no "crime" at all and many (most) who have committed some "victimless crime".

    Using Larken's logic above, anyone has the right to take a stand against a cop because, by virtue of their occupation they meet all of the criteria as the person in Larken's scenario EXCEPT for the nature of the violence committed. Instead of murdering a black person, it is some other violent act, but the violent act ALWAYS comes with the understanding -the credible threat - that the cop can and will do whatever it takes to obtain compliance up to and including killing the subject. Had the shooters in LV attempted anything less than immediately shooting the cops, they would have been at serious risk of being shot themselves.

    Okay, tell me where my interpretation of Larken's scenario and justification is incorrect. What do you think, Larken and
    Don Cooper and Antonio Buehler?
    The "Immediate Danger" Standard (and the FSP)
    It has been easy to find the Free State Project board condemning Christopher Cantwell for his comments about the use of force, but not so easy to find where ...







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  • Barney Cox Uh yeah, but a cop who kills people for fun is not in the same category as a copy who may only write tickets.
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  • Antonio Buehler Preemptively killing people because they MAY at some point engage in a violent act is the same twisted and moronic logic that the cops use to murder people.
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  • Tod Mills Barney, this is from, "When should you shoot a cop", by Larken.
    "If a cop decides to treat you like livestock, whether he does it “legally” or not, you will usually have only two options: submit, or kill the cop. You can’t resist a cop “just a little” and get away with it. He will always call in more of his fellow gang members, until you are subdued or dead."
    In this, Larken says that you "usually have only two option: submit or kill the cop", regardless of whether he is just robbing you (citation).

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  • Tod Mills Antonio, that is what Don argued a while back, while Larken took the above stance.
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  • Antonio Buehler "If you question their right to detain you, interrogate you, search you, invade your home, and so on, you are very likely to be tasered, physically assaulted, kidnapped, put in a cage, or shot. "

    I've had all these things done to me other than having my home invaded, being tasered (although I avoided that by seconds) and being shot. I still don't have any ethical justification for going out and killing cops. Anyone who defends the two murderous clowns in Vegas is an idiot. People need to check their morality. There's too many libertarians/ancaps who are degenerate thinkers.

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  • Tod Mills Larken, in this thread above is not defending the shooters, but if one applies the logic he outlined in my long comment, he probably would be defending them if he were being consistent.
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  • Antonio Buehler Good, if he was defending the shooters he'd be a clown.
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  • Tod Mills Have you watched his video where he makes the argument that appears to support what the shooters did?
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  • Tod Mills (he made the video shortly before the shooting, and before the Bourque shooting too, I think.)
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  • Antonio Buehler No, I don't want to watch it. I'm tired of libertarians who dance around the fringes of advocating violence. I sincerely hope he didn't say something so stupid.

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  • Antonio Buehler Further, any person who defends and associates with Cantwell is a loser.
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  • Barney Cox "Preemptively killing people because they MAY at some point engage in a violent act is the same twisted and moronic logic that the cops use to murder people."

    YEP!

    If you extend this out to what many libertarians are saying right now, we can kill individual people because they belong to a GROUP that engages in violent acts. Which is why it's ok to kill soldiers in war. Which is the root of the whole problem.

    Groupthink: I can kill you because you are part of a group that might kill people in my group.

    Throw the fucking rifle down and go home, we would all be better off.
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  • Tod Mills Barney, I disagree with your portrayal of the thinking. The thinking is NOT that because someone is part of a group that they might kill people in my group. Rather, it is because some individual has volunteered to initiate violence and does it routinely as part of his work and he HAS committed acts of violence with the understanding that he will do what it takes to obtain compliance. There is no group think about it.
 
What is it with "skin heads" named Jared?

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There is absolutely NO FUCKING EXCUSE for walking up to ANYONE and shooting them in the back of the head. If these people did what they are purported to do, and the false flag wolf has been called too many times for me to take it seriously so I believe they did, they are the highest order pieces of shit no better than any other mass shooter. Your sentiments are disgusting and you've gone way too far when you're accepting just going out and killing people in cold blood and I'm kind of depressed that I have to be the first person here to say it. Your assertion that ALL cops have declared war on the citizenry by signing up makes exactly as much sense as when socialists claim we all signed a social contract just by existing.

The drug war is disgusting and a lot of cops are going out of control and not getting charged for it, but violating the NAP is the line and you've let your hatred for individuals encompass an entire group and crossed it.
 
Any man who voluntarily signs on to a squad/gang/group/ that has openly declared war on the citizenry that pays their salary has intentionally aligned himself with those who regularly assault men, woman and children most often in their sleep...

The gang in blue has chosen the tactics and declared the war and now folks whine about it when some joker uses their own tactics against them...

I fully expect the term "insurgent" to become common place in the MSM when referring to citizens who fight back...



As for me, I'll say a prayer for this young man and his wife and I'll refrain from cursing the gang-members they murdered....

There is absolutely NO FUCKING EXCUSE for these shits walking up to ANYONE and shooting them in the back of the head. If these people did what they are purported to do, and the false flag wolf has been called too many times for me to take it seriously so I believe they did, they are the highest order pieces of shit no better than any other mass shooter. Your sentiments are disgusting and you've gone way too far when you're accepting just going out and killing people in cold blood and I'm kind of depressed that I have to be the first person here to say it. Your assertion that ALL cops have declared war on the citizenry by signing up makes exactly as much sense as when socialists claim we all signed a social contract just by existing.

The drug war is disgusting and a lot of cops are going out of control and not getting charged for it, but violating the NAP is the line and you've let your hatred for individuals encompass an entire group and crossed it.
 
There is absolutely NO FUCKING EXCUSE for walking up to ANYONE and shooting them in the back of the head. If these people did what they are purported to do, and the false flag wolf has been called too many times for me to take it seriously so I believe they did, they are the highest order pieces of shit no better than any other mass shooter. Your sentiments are disgusting and you've gone way too far when you're accepting just going out and killing people in cold blood and I'm kind of depressed that I have to be the first person here to say it. Your assertion that ALL cops have declared war on the citizenry by signing up makes exactly as much sense as when socialists claim we all signed a social contract just by existing.

The drug war is disgusting and a lot of cops are going out of control and not getting charged for it, but violating the NAP is the line and you've let your hatred for individuals encompass an entire group and crossed it.

My thoughts:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...gas-Feeding-the-Beast-Rather-than-Starving-It
 
Preliminary research indicates Jerad Miller was also a follower of Facebook pages “Copblock” and
“Police the Police,” which appear to be anti-law enforcement pages.

Why is it that if you are proactive in demanding governmental accountability, you somehow become misshaped into being anti-whatever? And how telling it is that those held to such scrutiny hold such negative views of their “adversaries”? In the case of law enforcement personnel, who is it that is actually being protected and served? Is it now not more the case that they are the protected, while the citizens are the served?
 
The Facebook discussion continues. Larken came online to enter the discussion, and in my opinion he is trying to distance himself from his own words. Is he afraid of being labelled a provocateur, of inciting the violence? Or am I really dense or dishonest, as he suggests?


  • Jeff Crawford ahh so one of the fake shootings hits close to home ... it's unfortunate that they want to demonize us .. but also points out that they sure don't like the philosophies here ... and see them as a threat in some way ... no one hurt ..no one died ... keep your eyes open ...
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  • Barney Cox Fake shootings? So William N. Grigg is in on this too? Get the fuck off my page, dipshit.
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  • Jeff Crawford k Barney ... back to sleep ...shhhhh
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  • Barney Cox Tod, you understand that most cops are paid through property taxes, right? And property taxes are paid by people who choose to move into a certain neighborhood?
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  • Barney Cox Yeah, I am asleep. Only a fucktard would claim that.

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  • Perry St Funny, that those who accuse others of being sleep, talk (or write) in the desultory manner of those with psychogenic fugue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state
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  • Jeff Crawford lol ..wow full of insults and vitriol .... oh I'm sorry ..you are right .. the Govt doesn't stage on of these and they have no agenda .. my bad .. carry on ....
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  • Tod Mills I do not willingly pay taxes and I know of no place without them. The way I see it, the main problem with these shootings is that they do nothing but garner sympathy for the cops and the police state, which is counterproductive.
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  • Perry St Conjecture is not worth the fucking tip jar, Jeff. You got something of substance to add, add it; if it's nothing but speculation you can't prove (but only infer) than shut the fuck up about how "in the know" you are.
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  • Larken Rose Tod, funny how you keep quoting things, and then magically filling in things I DIDN'T say. If the cops were having lunch, not even writing a ticket, it obviously wasn't an example of self-defense. (And, like I said before, I've seen nothing indicating that it was in response to any particular action by those particular cops, so I don't bother considering that possible justification.) I'm perfectly consistent with myself. I'm just not consistent with stuff YOU make up that I never said, and don't believe. Nothing in my articles or videos is about "going out and killing cops" just for the heck of it, despite what statists and pseudo-libertarians may pretend.

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  • Tod Mills Ah, but Larken, you DID say this: "Actually, it is. If there there was some road cop randomly beating people to death as a hobby, I personally on my own have the right to go hunt him down and kill him."

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  • Larken Rose Antonio, please answer this question: does a person have the right to resist an aggressor, using whatever level of force necessary to stop the aggressor? Or at some point do good people have a moral obligation to ALLOW themselves to be victimized and abused? (For bonus points, does some magical alleged "authority" of the aggressor change the moral equation?)

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  • Larken Rose Tod, yes, I know what I said. And if you think THAT meant "go out and kill cops for fun," you're either dense or dishonest.

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  • Barney Cox Tod only answers those questions he feels he can be clever about.

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  • Tod Mills I know that you believe it is unwise because you will almost certainly end up dead, you are clearly saying that it is morally permissible.

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  • Larken Rose Tod, I'm still not sure if you're dense or dishonest, but it's definitely one of those. It's not like I haven't written and said enough things on the topic that you have an excuse of misunderstanding.

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  • Barney Cox Tod you are engaging in groupthink.
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  • Tod Mills Larken, it is obvious that you are just trying to distance yourself from your own words.

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  • Larken Rose Tod, if you really can't tell the difference between: a) killing someone who is a known serial killer (with a badge) and; b) killing someone having lunch because he's wearing a uniform, then maybe learn to think before you try debating.

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  • Larken Rose I have no problem at all with my words. It's your lies I take issue with.
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  • Barney Cox WHAT WORDS?

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  • Larken Rose Barney, he likes to quote me, and then MAKE UP things I didn't say or mean, and attribute those things to me. Which is why he's either an idiot or a liar. Still not sure which.

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  • Tod Mills I would invite everyone to listen to Larken's videos and hear for yourself what he says. He is always careful to add that he does not recommend what he is suggesting because it will not end well. You can find them on You Tube.

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  • Amber Moon " I would invite everyone to listen to Larken's videos and hear for yourself what he says. He is always careful to add that he does not recommend what he is suggesting because it will not end well. You can find them on You Tube."

    I have done so, and Todd, you are full of crap.
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  • Larken Rose I would invite people to do that too, and make sure your comprehension skills are better than Tod's.

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  • Larken Rose Tod, tell me, seriously, can you really not comprehend a difference between the two following scenarios: 1) a guy with a badge has been committing murder after murder, in broad daylight, so someone kills him; 2) a cop is having lunch and someone shoots him.

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  • Larken Rose Because YOU just proclaimed those to be the same thing in principle, which is profoundly stupid or intentionally dishonest.

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  • Larken Rose It's pretty amazing, as blunt as I've been for years on this issue, that some people still feel the need to try to "read into things" (a.k.a. make shit up) what I didn't say and didn't mean.

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  • Barney Cox Either way, he's not worth your time.
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  • Tod Mills Larken, I most assuredly do see a difference, and I noted them. I also pointed out that something as innocuous as a traffic citation carries with it the real threat of death to force compliance.

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  • Barney Cox Those fuckers probably watched "Natural Born Killers" too many times.

    They were just suicide bombers looking for eternal fame. And they knew the media would give it to them.
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  • Larken Rose Tod, gee, I never thought of that before! (Yes, that was sarcasm.) Barney is right. Having a discussion with someone being intellectually dishonest is pointless. Goodnight.

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  • Tod Mills Larken, does a person have the right to resist an aggressor, using whatever level of force necessary to stop the aggressor? Or at some point do good people have a moral obligation to ALLOW themselves to be victimized and abused?

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  • Brian Nuckols Obama = Christian. Because of that any transgression by someone who likes Christianity on Facebook should immediately be attributed to Obama.
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  • Brian Nuckols Muhhh false equivalency. Seems like anyone that has been rustled by Cantwell is rushing to get their shots in.
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  • Tod Mills "To be blunt, if you have the right to do 'A', it means that if someone tries to stop you from doing 'A', even if he has a badge and a politician's scribble, (sometimes called 'law') on his side, you have the right to use whatever amount of force is necessary to resist that person. That's what it means to have an unalienable right. If you have the unalienable right to speak your mind, a la the first amendment, then if all else fails, you have the right to kill government agents who try to shut you up...."

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  • Tod Mills Larken wrote, " Tod, yes, I know what I said. And if you think THAT meant "go out and kill cops for fun," you're either dense or dishonest."
    It is not about fun. It is about standing up for one's unalienable rights or bowing down as a slave.. It is you who is being dense or dishonest.


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There is absolutely NO FUCKING EXCUSE for these shits walking up to ANYONE and shooting them in the back of the head. If these people did what they are purported to do, and the false flag wolf has been called too many times for me to take it seriously so I believe they did, they are the highest order pieces of shit no better than any other mass shooter. Your sentiments are disgusting and you've gone way too far when you're accepting just going out and killing people in cold blood and I'm kind of depressed that I have to be the first person here to say it. Your assertion that ALL cops have declared war on the citizenry by signing up makes exactly as much sense as when socialists claim we all signed a social contract just by existing.

The drug war is disgusting and a lot of cops are going out of control and not getting charged for it, but violating the NAP is the line and you've let your hatred for individuals encompass an entire group and crossed it.

You're severely misguided if you came away with me condoning these folks behavior instead of understanding it.

As far as my belief that cops, ALL COPS, knowingly accept pay from and then wage war on the citizenry.....I stand firmly behind it! Just read the newz and not just todays or this years news go back a few decades.

Once again I'll state publically; The NAP is a good and noble idea but I don't have the temperament or life experience to embrace it.

This appears to be the classic example of the lesser of two evils, "The cop gang" and "some couple whom the gang had abused"......My sympathy, understanding and prayers align more with the evil that undertook violence in response to abuse instead of those who engage in violence for pay.
 
Barney Cox

Cantwell posted an article he wrote via the CopBlock page. He's a moderator there.

In posting the article, he repeated his belief that it was good news that there were "two less police in the world." He posted this AS COPBLOCK, NOT as Christopher Cantwell.

OK so if the president of Coca-Cola decides to advocate pedophilia, and people stop buying Coke because of that, it's the public's fault?

No, Mr. Cantwell merely commented upon his thoughts on CopBlock by posting there as Christopher Cantwell. Conversely, if he had edited or censored other’s posts on CopBlock, he would have acted upon the behalf of Copblock as one of their moderators. Mr. Cantwell is not CopBlock’s founder, but a moderator and member. Ergo, the line-supervisor of your nearby Taco Bell does not represent all Taco Bells throughout the globe.

If the president of any company advocated anything contrary to its articles of incorporation or mission statement, then the board of that company would likely dismiss that president, hire a new president, who would then send out an apologetic press-release, and life would go on, the sun would shine, flowers would bloom, bees would buzz, etc, etc, etc.

Regardless, if a company’s customers boycott anything of their own willpower so as to protest against another’s thoughts, then yes it is the fault of those customers, because they took such an action solely on their own behalf and are thus responsible for the consequences of those actions; however, in result of cause and effect the company is likely to suffer financially as a result, while its customers will suffer in avoidance of products they otherwise need or enjoy.

Perry St

…it is possible that it can become internal justification from LEOs for fatal run-ins with CopBlock members during their evening surveil of police activities. …but when liberty movement members have adverse standing compared to society at large, positions can be taken out of context and utilized against them (and sometimes that falls back on innocent people).

It already has, all LEO need to do is utter their magical terms of their profession: made furtive movements, acted suspiciously, being evasive, challenged their authority as an officer of the law, impeded an investigation, obstructed justice, resisted arrest, appeared to be pulling out a firearm, concerned that a cell-phone case was being used to conceal a firearm within it, feared for officer safety, intended to Taser them in the back while handcuffed on the ground with nearly a dozen other officers present, yet standing around, but pulled out sidearm in error, the force was used in accordance with departmental policy, the LEO tripped and bumped their head sustaining a concussion that resulted in them unwillingly beating in the face of the their prisoner, the prisoner’s recording violates felony wiring tapping laws, the government’s CCTV was offline that day, etc.
 
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