Please Stop the Gary Johnson Threads!

[misean]

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[cheapseats]

Gary Johnson is a confused, inarticulate man running for president with the charisma of a peanut, as evidenced by his bizarre body language and boring tone of voice.

A Ron Paul Supporter impugning another candidate's BODY LANGUAGE & TONE OF VOICE is bizarre or ironic, take yer pick.

His knowledge of Austrian Economics, sound money and the Fed are murky and undefined.

And yet he BALANCED THE BUDGET IN NEW MEXICO AND LEFT A BILLION-DOLLAR SURPLUS.

That'll do, until some Austrian Economist actually gets elected.

His foreign policy is inconsistent and leaves much to be desired. Some idiotic statements that he's made in the past trouble me.

There's a lotta that goin' around.

Stipulated, there is prime real estate between SAYING and DOING, but at least he says LEAVE AFGHANISTAN NOW. No timetable, no equivocation, no REGIONAL STABILITY bullshit.

His eagerness to ride on the coattails of Ron Paul's revolution with Ron Paul still not yet out of the race disgusts me and strikes me as opportunistic.

There's a lotta OPPORTUNISM goin' on, too.

Keep in mind, he does not seek to transition from CALLOUSED Construction Company Executive to President, rather, from GOVERNOR/EXECUTIVE to President.

His refusal of entirely ruling out a run for the NM senate seat, believing he's more entitled to be a president, reveals some major ego.

Or NO MUSS NO FUSS, CUT TO THE CHASE determination to get in there and ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING, or move on to something in Private Practice where he has ALSO enjoyed success. He DID build up one of the largest construction companies in the state out of his one-man Handyman enterprise. Think, JOBS CREATION. Like it or not, INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING is on deck.

Did Peter Schiff OR RAND PAUL shoot for the House of Representatives, coming off their Investment & Ophthalmology practices, or straight for the Senate?

Trust Factor = NIL.

Ya can't please all the people all the time...only PANDERERS=LIARS try.

OF COURSE not all Ron Paul Supporters would view Gary Johnson as "second best, GIVEN THE OPTIONS". But those who feel NO WAY JOSE, TO GARY JOHNSON are playing free and easy with insults/accusations which, directed toward Ron Paul (or Rand or any Board-approved candidate or cause) would AT LEAST require substantiation beyond EMOTION and might well result in suspension/ban.

This is not just about the 'movement' so much as it is choosing the right person.

Ass-backward.

To the extent that a Moovement relies upon one person or clique, it is TOAST when that person croaks or that clique loses the INSIDE TRACK...which happens again and again in the Game/Race of Life.

GOOD vs. EVIL is the abiding battle.

This is not the "Libertarian Revolution", it is the "Ron Paul Revolution"...

I couldn't disagree more.

I can top that, I'll betcha RON PAUL stridently disagrees. Can we ask him? Is he taking questions from the Peanut Gallery?

I don't vote based on party;

HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

I am not a libertarian in the sense that I blindly vote for the [L] party and whoever is on their ballot like a fucking zombie. It's one thing to suck on the issues, but if you're untrustworthy or inconsistent, my vote is staying as far away from you as possible, because I am truly sick and tired of the BS.

Soooo, you'll concede that shelving a straightforward push for Liberty in 2012 for the sake of REPUBLICAN PARTY GAINS in 2016 "and beyond" is hogwash?

I started lurking this forum in mid-2009 and finally signed up in 2010, right around the time that Gary Johnson was getting into the news and how he was the 'New Ron Paul'. Bullshit. And I wanted to let everyone know.

I joined in September 2009, and learned of Gary Johnson HERE.

It was called LIBERTY FOREST then.

The guy shuffled around in the hannity interview like a little bitch, and even agreed with hannity that Iraqis should have pay us back for "liberating" them. After WE destroyed their country and killed hundreds of thousands of innocents. I don't know whether he really meant that or not, but it is insane and it raises a giant red flag.

Source? Link?

MY recollection is that WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF IRAQ "PAYING US BACK FOR LIBERATING THEM", Gary Johnson (who BADLY needs a Speech Coach, same as Ron Paul) said something along the lines of "I...I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG."

MY recollection is that IRAQ REIMBURSING US FOR "LIBERATING" THEM was floated by Republican Nut Case #MicheleBachmann and Republican Frat Brat Dana Rorabacher...who represents a thoroughly contrived district "serving" uber-rich Rancho Palos Verdes.

Did he ALSO say something about recovering costs of Assisting/Liberating? If so, is that the same thing as equating IRAQ INVASION with LIBERATING IRAQIS? Even Ron Paul sez he'd fight war, if war is declared. Insofar as the wars are never (yet) on OUR turf, they clearly and routinely entail ASSISTING/LIBERATING Others. Who theoretically should WANT to pay for their Help/Liberty, if they CAN. Particularly when we, the Great Liberators, "find ourselves" with our backs up against a financial wall.

For the ol' record, if America will insist vaingloriously on playing INTERNATIONAL 911, I am ALL FOR the "helped" countries reimbursing our tangible expenses. Pity about all the collateral damage and all the dead "America's Finest" but, yeah, at least let "us" get PAID for sacrificing Treasury & Troops.

Helmets would reel at how much less assistance and protection people would need, if they had to PAY for it "as we go".

Just like we BORROW as "we" go.

In examining municipal bankruptcies, let us shine a klieg light on #PoliceBrutality and #WrongfulDeath payouts. Perhaps AntiFederalist's many many threads on ABUSE OF BADGE/POWER can be marshaled to that purpose? THAT is a worthy Group Project.

Survivors of wrongfully dead Loved Ones and people with Permanently Altered Lives must routinely console themselves with litigious millions of dollars.

Do we need to continue this movement after Ron Paul has passed on? Absolutely.

Pray tell, how would that BE for people who view our fight for Freedom NOT as a Liberty Revolution but as the Ron Paul Revolution?

Lemme guess, wait respectfully til he DIES and take it under consideration THEN?

Do we need to vote in weaklings like Gary Johnson to do so? No.

The man is a TRIATHLETE. People are FREE to dislike/distrust whomever...they needn't MAKE UP SHIT to discredit the Disliked or to rationalize the Dislike. TRIATHLETE trumps BIKE RIDING on the strength and stamina fronts.

Dr. No's NO'S did not carry the day in Congress, ever.

Gary Johnson's 750+ vetoes DID carry the day in New Mexico. He BREEZED to reelection, as a "red" governor of a "blue" state, despite vetoing more spending bills than any sitting executive in the nation's sprawling Government Sector.

Yes yes, Ron Paul has been reelected more times, BY FAR...so has Henry Waxman...but his wisdom has NOT carried the day in Congress, ever.

i speak for myself

Me, too.

 

[Wren]

cheapseats you are grasping at straws, choosing to engage me in every half sentence I type is beyond annoying and seems to be a recurring habit of Gary Johnson shills. You interpret me saying he's weak as in he's scrawny or something. No he's just pussy, mentally speaking; his character shows that. you interpret things however the hell you want, but GJ will still suck as a candidate.

 

[No1butPaul]

My original question: Can't he get a forum of his own?

 

[LibertyRevolution]

Please stop the Gary Jonhson Emails...
Really, its getting old... I don't need 2-3 a day, I don't even like the guy.

 

[cheapseats]

My original question: Can't he get a forum of his own?

While Ron Paul's candidacy is alive, Gary Johnson IS technically an Opposing Candidate.

That is NO LONGER TRUE if Ron Paul loses in Tampa.

Plan ahead, plan ahead...

Man plans, God laughs. So do Uber Rich Mortals, all the way to their vaults.

What Plan A wants even more than Plan B are Plans B, C, D, E and FUCK IT.

Consider how many LET'S TRY THIS / LET'S TRY THAT / LET'S TRY SOMETHING ideas have lately been met with some variation of THAT SHOULDA BEEN HAPPENING 6 TO 9 MONTHS OR LONGER AGO.

 

[cheapseats]

Please stop the Gary Jonhson Emails...
Really, its getting old... I don't need 2-3 a day, I don't even like the guy.

I have received NONE.

Someone is PROVIDING your email address.

 

[Zach Vega]

My original question: Can't he get a forum of his own?

Do you mean a separate forum from RPF or a subforum within RPF?

 

[No1butPaul]

Do you mean a separate forum from RPF or a subforum within RPF?

I meant a separate forum from RPF -- not for all Gary Johnson threads that treat him as an OP, but for the ones which seem to be campaigning for him while Ron Paul is still in the race.

While Ron Paul's candidacy is alive, Gary Johnson IS technically an Opposing Candidate.

That is NO LONGER TRUE if Ron Paul loses in Tampa.

Plan ahead, plan ahead...

I am thinking ahead, and my thinking is we are going to continue to fight to get RP the nomination!

Please stop the Gary Jonhson Emails...
Really, its getting old... I don't need 2-3 a day, I don't even like the guy.

Emails may be coming because you subscribed to this thread LibertyRevolution ... if that's the case, you can just unsubscribe.

 

[cheapseats]

I am thinking ahead, and my thinking is we are going to continue to fight to get RP the nomination!

Apparently you are NOT thinking beyond August.

FOR SOME, Gary Johnson is a "realistic" snowball's-chance-in-hell-of-winning-anything-but-a-statement-nonetheless vote IF RON PAUL IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

ONCE AGAIN, it does not have to be done via a vote for Gary Johnson or anyone else, but NO PLAN B to demonstrate sheer strength of number if Ron Paul loses the Republican nomination is IDIOTIC.

 

[No1butPaul]

Apparently you are NOT thinking beyond August.

Apparently, I am -- I just don't think the same as you.

 

[tttppp]

And my reply was Gary Johnson is NOT capable. That is your answer.

That doesn't address my point. I didn't ask what you thought of Gary Johnson. My question was whether or not Ron Paul people would support a qualified candidate in the future not named Ron Paul?

 

[MelissaWV]

That doesn't address my point. I didn't ask what you thought of Gary Johnson. My question was whether or not Ron Paul people would support a qualified candidate in the future not named Ron Paul?

Of course.

Now, the fact you've posted that in this thread --- REPEATEDLY --- would seem to imply that you're in a bit of a huff that more people don't see Gary Johnson as that "someone."

 

[cheapseats]

Apparently, I am -- I just don't think the same as you.

Are you saying you believe that Ron Paul has a GOOD chance of occupying the White House after November, or that you "simply" cannot envision the future if he loses in August?

 

[Revolution9]

Apparently you are NOT thinking beyond August.

I have no faith that someone with your vituperative spew in tow constantly has any sort of psychic ability. Yer a fakir. Go climb a rope not tied to anything..

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

Are you saying you believe that Ron Paul has a GOOD chance of occupying the White House after November, or that you "simply" cannot envision the future if he loses in August?

You seem to think someone cares what the fuck you think. yer just baiting the boyz and gurlz... from the cheapseats at that.

Rev9

 

[cheapseats]

I have no faith that someone with your vituperative spew in tow constantly has any sort of psychic ability. Yer a fakir. Go climb a rope not tied to anything..

Rev9

Right back atcha, tough guy.

 

[cheapseats]

You seem to think someone cares what the fuck you think. yer just baiting the boyz and gurlz... from the cheapseats at that.

Rev9

I think somma the boyz and gurlz are gonna be PLENTY UPSET with their inflexible "trusted counsel" in a few brief months...how d'ya like THEM apples?

 

[Revolution9]

Apparently you are NOT thinking beyond August.

FOR SOME, Gary Johnson is a "realistic" snowball's-chance-in-hell-of-winning-anything-but-a-statement-nonetheless vote IF RON PAUL IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

ONCE AGAIN, it does not have to be done via a vote for Gary Johnson or anyone else, but NO PLAN B to demonstrate sheer strength of number if Ron Paul loses the Republican nomination is IDIOTIC.

Gary Johnson won't win shit in any state worth crap in a taupe handbag, let alone anything of value. So..really..what is the frikkin' point of voting for him.. A protest vote..heh..You guys are full of shit and got yer bass ackwards..

Rev9

 

[tttppp]

Of course.

Now, the fact you've posted that in this thread --- REPEATEDLY --- would seem to imply that you're in a bit of a huff that more people don't see Gary Johnson as that "someone."

No. The only reason I have posted that repeatedly is because people have misinterpreted what I wrote the first time repeatedly. I asked one question and people answered it with an answer to a different question.