Please Stop the Gary Johnson Threads!

[Respect38]

There is a gary johnson grassroots forum out there. I suggest the shills for his campaign to go post there and to stop intimidating people here to vote for him.

"intimidating" wha..? We're trying to use logic to show that, should Ron Paul not get the nomination, then voting Libertarian is the next best option.

I'll be supporting Johnson in the general(who else is there really, write ins don't count in my state) But this should at least wait unless and until Paul officially drops out. It's sort of tacky, not to mention offensive, to try to mooch support away from Paul while he's still running.

Uh, once again, we're not. All the discussion has been under the premise that Ron Paul is offically out and has endorsed another candidate.

If someone has been convinced to vote for Gary Johnson over a Republican nominee Ron Paul, the shucks, that's not what I was going for.

The fact that you think what we're doing is offensive just shows that you haven't been here for the discussion and you're just going on what someone else says.

In fact, let me ask this. If you've been in this discussion the entire time, and have heard us speak, please tell me this: For me, Respect38, please tell me under what circumstances would I vote for Ron Paul, and what circumstances I would vote for Gary Johnson, and why I would vote for Gary Johnson.

If you cannot respond to this, then you have no business making personal statements about me.

 

[misean]

I think people need to think about a more long run objective. People still should behave as if Ron Paul can win (because he could) and focus on a strong presence at the convention, but odds are heavily stacked against him winning. The movement should have multiple plans if that happens.

Gary Johnson having a stronger than expected run in the general election, could help set up Rand Paul in 2016. For the people proudly dumping on Johnson what is your long term hope? Do you think Ron Paul will get elected as an 81 year old. What is your long term plan?

The actual leaders of the movement are much less important to the long term health of the country than the values of those leaders. Values endure. Personalities only last as long as they are in office. Ron Paul is important to the extent that he has re-lit the torch that Milton Friedman and the Austrian economist carried before him. Paul has made it much easier to get free market candidates elected. I doubt Johnson is the person to carry it long term, but he has the best chance of keeping it alive short term.

 

[sailingaway]

I think people need to think about a more long run objective. People still should behave as if Ron Paul can win (because he could) and focus on a strong presence at the convention, but odds are heavily stacked against him winning. The movement should have multiple plans if that happens.

Gary Johnson having a stronger than expected run in the general election, could help set up Rand Paul in 2016. For the people proudly dumping on Johnson what is your long term hope? Do you think Ron Paul will get elected as an 81 year old. What is your long term plan?

The actual leaders of the movement are much less important to the long term health of the country than the values of those leaders. Values endure. Personalities only last as long as they are in office. Ron Paul is important to the extent that he has re-lit the torch that Milton Friedman and the Austrian economist carried before him. Paul has made it much easier to get free market candidates elected. I doubt Johnson is the person to carry it long term, but he has the best chance of keeping it alive short term.

Gary Johnson has no relevance to my long term plan.


The Johnson partisans here keep trying to ignore the many statements that people don't see Gary as being like Ron Paul, and therefor don't see him as part of what they want to push, and keep saying 'but you need to vote for him as part of our movement'. Clearly, we don't.

 

[misean]

Gary Johnson has no relevance to my long term plan.

That's perfectly fine. Who do you see advancing freedom after Ron Paul is gone?

 

[MelissaWV]

That's perfectly fine. Who do you see advancing freedom after Ron Paul is gone?

It's highly likely that no one will be good enough for most of the people on the forums. People have a knack for taking someone who's excellent overall for the cause of liberty, and would move us all in the right direction... and tearing him down over a pet issue or personal opinion, or a single vote.

To answer your question, though, I see myself advancing freedom after Ron Paul is gone. What you should be asking is why you didn't think of that answer yourself, and seem to need to delegate your freedom-fighting to someone else.

 

[sailingaway]

It's highly likely that no one will be good enough for most of the people on the forums. People have a knack for taking someone who's excellent overall for the cause of liberty, and would move us all in the right direction... and tearing him down over a pet issue or personal opinion, or a single vote.

To answer your question, though, I see myself advancing freedom after Ron Paul is gone. What you should be asking is why you didn't think of that answer yourself, and seem to need to delegate your freedom-fighting to someone else.

this is pretty much what I have in mind, too. I'm not desperate for a different standard bearer than myself, but if one comes along I will recognize him.

But I don't know that Ron is checking out after the election, win or lose, either. He might have something in mind.

 

[Revolution9]

I'll be supporting Johnson in the general(who else is there really, write ins don't count in my state) But this should wait unless and until Paul officially drops out. It's sort of tacky to try to mooch support away from Paul while he's still running.

Ya ever notice most of the oldtimers and real deal supporters here do not use similar handles to yours. Just an observation. We did not feel the need to categorize ourselves or cloak in such a manner.

Just a thought.

Rev9

 

[RP Supporter]

Ya ever notice most of the oldtimers and real deal supporters here do not use similar handles to yours. Just an observation. We did not feel the need to categorize ourselves or cloak in such a manner.

Just a thought.

Rev9

LOL. Yes, I who joined in 2007(The same month as you, matter o fact) and have been nothing but supportive of Ron Paul since then clearly am a plant who was working undercover for Gary Johnson these 5 long years. I somehow knew even then that Gary Johnson was going to get the Libertarian nomination in 2012 and decided to get an early start on campaigning for him, even though this was probably the first post of mine I mentioned him in. The fact that I was an uncreative teenager in 2007 has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Never mind the fact I still support Ron Paul 100% and think Johnson is a flawed alternative to him. Granted, he's an alternative I'll be voting for if the other options are Obama and Romney, but I ain't exactly thrilled with it. So lay off the suspicion please. I don't think anything in my admittedly limited posts warrant it.

 

[Revolution9]

LOL. Yes, I who joined in 2007(The same month as you, matter o fact) and have been nothing but supportive of Ron Paul since then clearly am a plant who was working undercover for Gary Johnson these 5 long years. I somehow knew even then that Gary Johnson was going to get the Libertarian nomination in 2012 and decided to get an early start on campaigning for him, even though this was probably the first post of mine I mentioned him in. The fact that I was an uncreative teenager in 2007 has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Never mind the fact I still support Ron Paul 100% and think Johnson is a flawed alternative to him. Granted, he's an alternative I'll be voting for if the other options are Obama and Romney, but I ain't exactly thrilled with it. So lay off the suspicion please. I don't think anything in my admittedly limited posts warrant it.

Yer young. You will understand the Johnson campaign gambit when you've been around the block a few times. From my long perspective they are a drawoff for what the PTB thinks are radicals that get politically motivated. A "give-em-a-place-to-vent" dead zone. I also have had dealings with many Libertarians and boy oh boy. I refuse to do any real business with them in the future. Gary Johnson. Going nowhere for the time being. What you would call a wasted vote..heh. Paul being at the RNC against one contender is more powerful than 20 consecutive runs by Gary Johnson for putting the establishment on it's ear. The cards have been laid a long time ago that 2012 is The GameChanger2.0 by stellar entities way beyond the pay grade of you nor i nor any human. What vehicle delivers the payload? Gary Johnson? hehe..LOL.. But go ahead and trundle down that long path of gained experience if you deem it to be necessary. Me. I only bang my head into the wall on quaternion equations on a right handed rig in a left handed coordinate system.

Rev9

 

[Respect38]

Paul being at the RNC against one contender is more powerful than 20 consecutive runs by Gary Johnson for putting the establishment on it's ear.

Irrelevant. All ours points assume that Ron Paul has already been to the RNC and lost.

 

[Yieu]

+Rep for the thread title.

 

[Roxi]

 

[specsaregood]

Yer young. You will understand the Johnson campaign gambit when you've been around the block a few times. From my long perspective they are a drawoff for what the PTB thinks are radicals that get politically motivated. A "give-em-a-place-to-vent" dead zone.

I came to this conclusion myself. A vote or support for the LP, CP, other 3rd party is a vote/support for furthering the false belief that we actually have a choice. I always figured voting for those parties would help; but it only hurts us. The only hope is to take over one of the big parties.

 

[Respect38]

I came to this conclusion myself. A vote or support for the LP, CP, other 3rd party is a vote/support for furthering the false belief that we actually have a choice. I always figured voting for those parties would help; but it only hurts us. The only hope is to take over one of the big parties.

Alright, I'll play along for a second here.

How can we take over big parties?

EDIT: Wait a minute, don't answer this. Need to think about that for another second.

EDIT2: Alright, better question.

How does voting effect us taking over big parties in any way?

 

[Supernaut]

I came to this conclusion myself. A vote or support for the LP, CP, other 3rd party is a vote/support for furthering the false belief that we actually have a choice. I always figured voting for those parties would help; but it only hurts us. The only hope is to take over one of the big parties.

I think its obvious were not taking over the GOP. The only thing I see happening is that the GOP is suckering us into supporting Romney. The GOP have taken over us.

 

[specsaregood]

I think its obvious were not taking over the GOP. The only thing I see happening is that the GOP is suckering us into supporting Romney. The GOP have taken over us.

Guess you haven't been paying attention lately. We've taken over a few states already, not a small accomplishment for such a small amount of time.

 

[Intoxiklown]

Alright, I'll play along for a second here.

How can we take over big parties?

EDIT: Wait a minute, don't answer this. Need to think about that for another second.

EDIT2: Alright, better question.

How does voting effect us taking over big parties in any way?

uhhh....


It's called called long term plans, sticking to your guns, and voting in every liberty minded sumbitch you see. It's definitely not being some kind of weak willed sheep and giving up the second things get a little tough. Let me ask you a question.

Did you really think this was a one election ordeal? And things would magically change? What kind of fairy world do you live in?

 

[Respect38]

uhhh....


It's called called long term plans,

Like the ones we're bring up?

sticking to your guns,

And what guns are we sticking to in the first place? I thought we were fighting for liberty here, not for Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the leader in the liberty movement, though, so they do go hand in hand at the moment.

and voting in every liberty minded sumbitch you see.

I don't even know what point you're trying to make here.

It's definitely not being some kind of weak willed sheep and giving up the second things get a little tough.

Ron Paul completely dropping out of the race and endorsing someone is a "little tough"?

Did you really think this was a one election ordeal? And things would magically change? What kind of fairy world do you live in?

By voting for Ron Paul as a write-in, I would think that this question turns more on you than it does on me.

See, it appears that a false dilemma has been created here. What is keeping us from trying to change the Republican Party as far as we can, and then supporting the Libertarian Party if Ron Paul is out of the race? It seems to me to be a reach to say that both cannot be done at the same time, which is what seems to be implied by the NOBP crowd.

 

[PierzStyx]

My post wasn't meant to show support for Gary Johnson. I only meant to show that there are many people here who basically worship Ron Paul. They don't give any idea that doesn't come from Ron Paul's mouth a chance. And they basically believe this movement will die with Ron Paul, even though there are plenty of people capable of carrying out Ron Paul's ideas.

I believe there are plenty of capable people to lead the Liberty Movement if the Doctor is not elected. But Gary Johnson is not one of them. That is the point. He couldn't lead his way out of a paper bag.

 

[Intoxiklown]

Like the ones we're bring up?



And what guns are we sticking to in the first place? I thought we were fighting for liberty here, not for Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the leader in the liberty movement, though, so they do go hand in hand at the moment.



I don't even know what point you're trying to make here.



Ron Paul completely dropping out of the race and endorsing someone is a "little tough"?



By voting for Ron Paul as a write-in, I would think that this question turns more on you than it does on me.

See, it appears that a false dilemma has been created here. What is keeping us from trying to change the Republican Party as far as we can, and then supporting the Libertarian Party if Ron Paul is out of the race? It seems to me to be a reach to say that both cannot be done at the same time, which is what seems to be implied by the NOBP crowd.

Way to try to break something apart to take away the whole point.

You asked how voting helps us take over one of the big parties, and I replied. You're taking things out of context to sway the conversation to your thinking.

Do you work for Fox News?