Please Stop the Gary Johnson Threads!

[Revolution9]

I think somma the boyz and gurlz are gonna be PLENTY UPSET with their inflexible "trusted counsel" in a few brief months...how d'ya like THEM apples?

I could give a shit what a bunch of whiners think. Your whining included in that as well. I don't let anybody take my ankles out from under me..even with a howitzer. Especially with cheap shots from the cheapseats. Keep trying though buddy. It's yer style.


Rev9

 

[cheapseats]

Gary Johnson won't win shit in any state worth crap in a taupe handbag, let alone anything of value.
Rev9

I have no faith that someone with your vituperative spew in tow constantly has any sort of psychic ability. Yer a fakir. Go climb a rope not tied to anything..
Rev9

LOL @ YOU.

 

[No1butPaul]

Are you saying you believe that Ron Paul has a GOOD chance of occupying the White House after November, or that you "simply" cannot envision the future if he loses in August?

I didn't say either of those things. I will say, however, it is conceptually the same as hundreds of thousands chanting, "President Paul." You may not agree that has had a meaningful impact, but I know it has.

 

[Revolution9]

Right back atcha, tough guy.

Ya could at least come up with yer own jargonification. I can tell someone to piss off in 999 ways on a bad day. But then..I have something you don't. Gumption.

Rev9

 

[No1butPaul]

Of course.

Now, the fact you've posted that in this thread --- REPEATEDLY --- would seem to imply that you're in a bit of a huff that more people don't see Gary Johnson as that "someone."

 

[Revolution9]

LOL @ YOU.

That Gary Johnson is going to do poorly everywhere is not psychic..it is common bloody sense. LOL@U for lack of same..

Rev9

 

[misean]

That Gary Johnson is going to do poorly everywhere is not psychic..it is common bloody sense. LOL@U for lack of same..

Rev9

http://www.examiner.com/article/gary-johnson-hits-9-pct-poll-projects-to-45-pct

Considering 80 percent of voters had never heard of Gary Johnson, this seems like a good result. A strong finish by Johnson sets Rand Paul up in 2016 as either a primary challenger to Romney or in a Republican race.

 

[cheapseats]

Ya could at least come up with yer own jargonification.

Yeah, 'cuz everyone knows that Revolution9...of Ron Paul Forums and Georgia...has the inside track on coining phrases.

I can tell someone to piss off in 999 ways on a bad day.

Whether they deserve it or not, I have no doubt.

GOT IT, that you think I deserve it...for baiting the boyz and gurlz by spewing vituperative swill.

But then..I have something you don't. Gumption.

Rev9

You also say you don't have something that I DO claim to have, and that is concern about and stake in the EFFECT ON YOUNG 'UNS if they are built up for a big letdown, just like the young Obamamaniacs were. You are ready to wash your hands of the whiney Next Gens at that point, yes?

I think somma the boyz and gurlz are gonna be PLENTY UPSET with their inflexible "trusted counsel" in a few brief months...how d'ya like THEM apples?

I could give a shit what a bunch of whiners think. Your whining included in that as well.

You feel suddenly compelled to broadcast your Independence, I observe. I'da thunk that wuz a GIVEN with Freedom Fighters of a certain age and length of Activism.

I don't let anybody take my ankles out from under me..even with a howitzer. Especially with cheap shots from the cheapseats. Keep trying though buddy. It's yer style.
Rev9

You are well-respected here (which means you can be as abrasive as you please without remark). Stipulating that you accept no responsibility for their choice, do you advise Ron Paul Supporters AGAINST having an actionable Plan B to demonstrate their strength (which, ONCE AGAIN, need not be via vote for Gary Johnson or anyone else)?

 

[No1butPaul]

http://www.examiner.com/article/gary-johnson-hits-9-pct-poll-projects-to-45-pct

Considering 80 percent of voters had never heard of Gary Johnson, this seems like a good result. A strong finish by Johnson sets Rand Paul up in 2016 as either a primary challenger to Romney or in a Republican race.

You are assuming Ron Paul does not get the nomination. I see you just joined in May, maybe you believed the media that Ron Paul is out of the race. Well, that's not true ... a lot of times, the media doesn't tell the truth. So, we are still fighting for Ron Paul here @ the Ron Paul Forums.

And this is what I mean about campaigning here for Gary Johnson. You joined in may and your first 2 posts? Obviously I take offense to your “No one but Paul” lunatic cult comment … --no1butpaul

1. I just stumbled on the forum to see what people might do now. I've always been a little surprised that Gary Johnson doesn't get more support. What am I missing? The guy was a great governor and has virtually the same views on everything as Ron Paul. It reminds me of how some Libertarians don't like Milton Friedman and a lot of the Ayn Rand people don't don't like Ron Paul.

What are people hoping for? You've got like 5 libertarians in national politics. For the people saying "no one but Paul,"are you planning on him running again and winning? I just don't it get but maybe there is something I'm missing. I voted for Paul. He isn't a cult leader though. I even saw some lunatic railing against Rand Paul for not being hardcore enough on youtube. Just craziness.

2. I guess writing Paul in is fine, but if Gary Johnson is actually running, why would people not coalesce support behind a guy who actually could make a dent in the vote total. Gary Johnson is about as close to Ron Paul as you have seen in your lifetime. Any other belief is just drinking Koolaid. Ron Paul is not Charles Manson. It's okay to support other people. Hell, if you actually want to go on track of accomplishment, Gary Johnson is probably better. "No one but Paul." Is this some sort of lunatic cult?

NOTE: I sure wish I could disapprove and de-rep

 

[cheapseats]

You are assuming Ron Paul does not get the nomination.

PLAN B pointedly exists for the possibility that PLAN A fails. It happens.

Plan B usually requires some forethought and preparation, if it would be actionable upon the failure of Plan A.

IF IF IF Plan A fails.

Which it has a MUCH better than average chance of doing. NOT because of me.

 

[misean]

You are assuming Ron Paul does not get the nomination. I see you just joined in May, maybe you believed the media that Ron Paul is out of the race. Well, that's not true ... a lot of times, the media doesn't tell the truth. So, we are still fighting for Ron Paul here @ the Ron Paul Forums.

I love Ron Paul. He is the first and only candidate that I ever contributed money to. I definitely have not done any heavy lifting like a lot of the people in the forums have done but the reason I am posting is that I am really worried that the enthusiasm for the campaign is going to end if Ron Paul does not win.

I think a lot of people are very emotionally tied to Ron Paul because they have so much effort into his campaign. You see people with 10,000 posts in this forum. Looking from a more detached view, I think Gary Johnson has the opportunity of a lifetime to influence the course of national politics. Do you know how good 9 percent is for a no name. He was getting 20 percent in a three way New Mexico poll. If Johnson somehow got to 15 percent he would be getting in the national debates. I don't see voting for Johnson and supporting Paul's efforts as being mutually exclusive.

 

[No1butPaul]

PLAN B pointedly exists for the possibility that PLAN A fails. It happens.

Plan B usually requires some forethought and preparation, if it would be actionable upon the failure of Plan A.

IF IF IF Plan A fails.

Which it has a MUCH better than average chance of doing. NOT because of me.

Well, if that was the point, it was also pointed out above (see #2) that "writing Paul in is fine." So, with that permission, I will decline your plan B in such an unfortunate event for mankind.

 

[No1butPaul]

I don't see voting for Johnson and supporting Paul's efforts as being mutually exclusive.

This doesn't even make sense, unless you assume RP does not get the nomination. Or, are you saying you will vote for Johnson regardless?

The conversation is simply premature and unproductive.

 

[MelissaWV]

I read the whole thread again. I still don't like Gary Johnson.

 

[misean]

This doesn't even make sense, unless you assume RP does not get the nomination. Or, are you saying you will vote for Johnson regardless?

The conversation is simply premature and unproductive.

If Ron Paul got the nomination I would certainly vote for him. As of right now Intrade says that he is drawing to one out, so it is a reasonable assumption that he will not win. It doesn't mean he can't win. It means he likely won't. And if you think that is wrong, make sure you are betting as much as you can on Intrade so that he can scoop up that free money.

 

[Respect38]

This doesn't even make sense, unless you assume RP does not get the nomination. Or, are you saying you will vote for Johnson regardless?

The conversation is simply premature and unproductive.

NO! NO! NO!

Gary Johnson if and only if Ron Paul is out.

And, for planning purposes, assuming that Ron Paul won't get the nomination is OK, because it's possible.

Just like, for planning purposes, assuming that Ron Paul will get the nomination is OK, because it's possible.

I don't think there's a single person here that would vote for Gary Johnson over Republican nominee Ron Paul--that would be a wasted vote indeed.

Yet, I look here and I see people who would vote for Ron Paul write-in over Gary Johnson--at it is my opinion that this would also be a wasted vote.

That's why we're having this discussion--I feel it's my duty to discuss with y'all for why I believe that a vote for Gary Johnson is better than a write-in for Ron Paul. See, the first scenario is clear for who we would all vote for, I have no doubt in my mind that every single one of us would be voting for Ron Paul.

Yet, the second scenario leaves some discussion to be had, because there are two sides that can be taken, and both make sense for one group, going for Gary Johnson makes sense for the Libertarians here, and writing-in Ron Paul makes sense for the Ron Paul followers here. That's why this discussion is necessary, so that both sides can give their reasons.

I, personally, have not felt that this discussion has been unproductive. I have learned some of the reasons why some people outright refuse to vote Gary Johnson, even if I personally would discount them and vote for Gary Johnson anyway because of the positives outweighing the downsides.

I hope that the NOBP crowd has learned something as well. If not, then I believe that they've been out of tune with this discussion the entire time.

 

[No1butPaul]

If Ron Paul got the nomination I would certainly vote for him. As of right now Intrade says that he is drawing to one out, so it is a reasonable assumption that he will not win. It doesn't mean he can't win. It means he likely won't. And if you think that is wrong, make sure you are betting as much as you can on Intrade so that he can scoop up that free money.

What are Intrades odds on the economic collapse?

 

[Yieu]

Discussing voting for Gary Johnson at this time is completely unnecessary and only serves to distract from electing Ron Paul.

Discussing voting for Gary Johnson at this time actually weakens Ron Paul's chances, and Gary isn't going to win.

Therefore, discussing voting for Gary Johnson at this time actually hurts the collective chances of electing a liberty candidate as President.

Enough said. It has been discussed (unnecessarily). Dragging it on does not help anyone, and does hurt all of us.

Edit: By the way, these things were already said in other words in previous posts, an apt response would be to merely read those posts again.

Actually, do keep the discussion to this thread, with this thread title, if you must.

 

[No1butPaul]

Discussing voting for Gary Johnson at this time is completely unnecessary and only serves to distract from electing Ron Paul.

Discussing voting for Gary Johnson at this time actually weakens Ron Paul's chances, and Gary isn't going to win.

Therefore, discussing voting for Gary Johnson at this time actually hurts the collective chances of electing a liberty candidate as President.

Enough said. It has been discussed (unnecessarily). Dragging it on does not help anyone, and does hurt all of us.

Edit: By the way, these things were already said in other words in previous posts, an apt response would be to merely read those posts again.

Actually, do keep the discussion to this thread, with this thread title, if you must.

End the Thread, End the Thread, End the Thread!

 

[cheapseats]

End the Thread, End the Thread, End the Thread!

More Censorship! More Censorship! More Censorship!

There's more than one way to skin cats that won't be herded!

Fuck popular appeal, it takes too much time and compromise!

Go straight for FORCE!

Like they do.