Please Stop the Gary Johnson Threads!

[JohnBalzer]

Gary Johnson is much like Ron Paul

Ron Paul will take the fight to the last minute at the Republican convention. He will make a strong showing at the Republican convention. Until then, loyal RP supporters will and should give him the support he deserves. If after the Repulican convention is over and should Romney win, who will you be left to vote for? Obama? Romney? Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in all 50 states and his views are far more aligned with Ron Paul than any other choice. This is why you are seeing the GJ threads. True Libertarians will support the candidate that best reflects the spirit of Liberty. At the moment Ron Paul is carrying that torch. Should Gary Johnson have to pick up that torch and carry it right up to the November election, I'm good with that and in the end, a Libertarian will receive my vote.

 

[tttppp]

In reference to Gary Johnson, he seems like a great guy, and I do not consider Ron Paul to be God or the only person capable of getting the job done.

**BUT**

In order to get the job done, first you have to get elected. And I'm sorry, as much as I like Gary Johnson, I don't see any possibility of him actually being able to get enough votes to win the general election. It's sad, but we are locked into this rancid two party system, like it or not, and we have to be realistic.

So, for all intents and purposes, in my opinion yes, Ron Paul IS the only person capable of getting the job done, because right now he is the only Liberty candidate for the Presidency who stands a feasible chance of winning the general election. (In fact I see him as the only candidate who can beat Obama, period.)

If electability is all we are going to care about, we are right back at the beginning again. The reason we never get anyone good elected is the media pumps all this bs about how their guy is the only one that can get elected, even if he sucks. If we are going to follow the same strategy, not much is going to change.

 

[No1butPaul]

Imo break it down

Ron Paul makes me feel like this:

Gary Johnson does not.

 

[Respect38]

Ron Paul will take the fight to the last minute at the Republican convention. He will make a strong showing at the Republican convention. Until then, loyal RP supporters will and should give him the support he deserves. If after the Repulican convention is over and should Romney win, who will you be left to vote for? Obama? Romney? Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in all 50 states and his views are far more aligned with Ron Paul than any other choice. This is why you are seeing the GJ threads. True Libertarians will support the candidate that best reflects the spirit of Liberty. At the moment Ron Paul is carrying that torch. Should Gary Johnson have to pick up that torch and carry it right up to the November election, I'm good with that and in the end, a Libertarian will receive my vote.

Also, you have to consider that you don't even have to win, just getting a certain percentage of the vote makes your party eligible for (government?) funding, and that's huge.

 

[MelissaWV]

I just don't like Gary Johnson.

 

[pcosmar]

Also, you have to consider that you don't even have to win, just getting a certain percentage of the vote makes your party eligible for (government?) funding, and that's huge.

And that is a good thing how?

 

[Respect38]

And that is a good thing how?

Gives people a reason to vote third-party if they want to.

Sure, they may not win, but they can advance their party further if it gets enough support.

 

[cheapseats]

Ron Paul will take the fight to the last minute at the Republican convention. He will make a strong showing at the Republican convention. Until then, loyal RP supporters will and should give him the support he deserves.

Once Ron Paul didn't make a play for the Libertarian Party nomination in early May = the point of no return . . . once he committed to, as you say, take the fight to the last minute at the Republican convention . . . I am aware of not one single person who has suggested to the Board that Ron Paul should drop out or that Ron Paul Supporters should stop supporting him.

The ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES of his campaign have been called into question, rightly in my estimation. How many posts by true-red Supporters have also queried, WHAT WAS THIS LAST $850,000 FOR?

Whaddya THINK it was for?

But I think no one can produce a link to a post calling for Ron Paul to drop out or Supporters to quit supporting him. On the contrary. Certainly I have REPEATEDLY said that a collective DEMONSTRATION OF STRENGTH need not be via a vote for Gary Johnson or any other snowball's-chance-in hell-candidate..."just" that there has gotta be SOMETHING more profound than NOT VOTING or WRITING IN RON PAUL.

Literally, NOTHING could be more anticlimactic.

If after the Repulican convention is over and should Romney win, who will you be left to vote for? Obama? Romney? Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in all 50 states and his views are far more aligned with Ron Paul than any other choice. This is why you are seeing the GJ threads. True Libertarians will support the candidate that best reflects the spirit of Liberty. At the moment Ron Paul is carrying that torch. Should Gary Johnson have to pick up that torch and carry it right up to the November election, I'm good with that and in the end, a Libertarian will receive my vote.

Some months ago, an avid Ron Paul Supporter crossed posting swords with me on Twitter...some shit about how I ONLY WANNA KILL BROWN PEOPLE, if I don't support Ron Paul . . . tho HE had fallen for the bait and enlisted to go to Iraq, and killed brown people He, too, flaunted voting for Obama as a means to (paraphrasing) hasten America's collapse.

Said I to him something almost exactly like: Lemme mince no words, Soldier. Hoping for or acting toward America's collapse is not Not NOT patriotic, no matter HOW you rationalize it.

 

[cheapseats]

If electability is all we are going to care about, we are right back at the beginning again.

Square One, meet the Mulberry Bush.

The reason we never get anyone good elected is the media pumps all this bs about how their guy is the only one that can get elected, even if he sucks. If we are going to follow the same strategy, not much is going to change.

It is understandable that Evangelicals and Hardright would not vote Libertarian. It is understandable that some people simply don't like Gary Johnson personally. It happens. NOBODY will capture 100% of the vote, THAT is certain.

What is beyond bizarre is people who call other people SHEEPLE turning around and SPOUTING INDOCTRINATION about the unfeasibility...even the UNDESIRABILITY...of a Third Party.

None o' that kooky Third Party nonsense fer US, no sir-ee . . . just give us our two-party STRANGLEHOLD.

 

[cheapseats]

Imo break it down

Ron Paul makes me feel like this:

Sweet, innocent, unsullied, swaddled . . . WHAT?

Gary Johnson does not.

DELIGHTED to hear it.

 

[cheapseats]

Y'know how inept &/or corrupt Members of Congress wax on about TOUGH CHOICES and BEING ADULTS? They are NOT gettin' the job done.

Get clear about this: Feeling like the awww-shucks picture above won't get the job done EITHER.

 

[sailingaway]

Also, you have to consider that you don't even have to win, just getting a certain percentage of the vote makes your party eligible for (government?) funding, and that's huge.

Ron Paul qualified for government funding and refused to run his campaign on stolen money, in 2008.

I just don't like Gary Johnson.

Bingo.

 

[No1butPaul]

Y'know how inept &/or corrupt Members of Congress wax on about TOUGH CHOICES and BEING ADULTS? They are NOT gettin' the job done.

Get clear about this: Feeling like the awww-shucks picture above won't get the job done EITHER.

I didn't say feeling like that would get the job done. I said Ron Paul is the only one who can get the job done and he makes me feel like that. The only thing about which I'm not clear is, why in the world would that bother you?

Add: To answer your question to another post: He makes me feel like I'm in good hands ... it's not just a feeling either, I KNOW this country would be in the very best of hands with Ron Paul as commander in chief. Do you feel differently?

 

[tttppp]

Square One, meet the Mulberry Bush.





It is understandable that Evangelicals and Hardright would not vote Libertarian. It is understandable that some people simply don't like Gary Johnson personally. It happens. NOBODY will capture 100% of the vote, THAT is certain.

What is beyond bizarre is people who call other people SHEEPLE turning around and SPOUTING INDOCTRINATION about the unfeasibility...even the UNDESIRABILITY...of a Third Party.

None o' that kooky Third Party nonsense fer US, no sir-ee . . . just give us our two-party STRANGLEHOLD.

I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.

 

[Wren]

Gary Johnson is a confused, inarticulate man running for president with the charisma of a peanut, as evidenced by his bizarre body language and boring tone of voice. His knowledge of Austrian Economics, sound money and the Fed are murky and undefined. His foreign policy is inconsistent and leaves much to be desired. Some idiotic statements that he's made in the past trouble me. His eagerness to ride on the coattails of Ron Paul's revolution with Ron Paul still not yet out of the race disgusts me and strikes me as opportunistic. His refusal of entirely ruling out a run for the NM senate seat, believing he's more entitled to be a president, reveals some major ego.

Trust Factor = NIL. This is not just about the 'movement' so much as it is choosing the right person. This is not the "Libertarian Revolution", it is the "Ron Paul Revolution", because I (or we) trust this man. I don't vote based on party; I am not a libertarian in the sense that I blindly vote for the [L] party and whoever is on their ballot like a fucking zombie. It's one thing to suck on the issues, but if you're untrustworthy or inconsistent, my vote is staying as far away from you as possible, because I am truly sick and tired of the BS.

I started lurking this forum in mid-2009 and finally signed up in 2010, right around the time that Gary Johnson was getting into the news and how he was the 'New Ron Paul'. Bullshit. And I wanted to let everyone know. The guy shuffled around in the hannity interview like a little bitch, and even agreed with hannity that Iraqis should have pay us back for "liberating" them. After WE destroyed their country and killed hundreds of thousands of innocents. I don't know whether he really meant that or not, but it is insane and it raises a giant red flag. Do we need to continue this movement after Ron Paul has passed on? Absolutely. Do we need to vote in weaklings like Gary Johnson to do so? No.

i speak for myself

 

[No1butPaul]

Hey, maybe we can put a pin in this conversation until after Ron Paul wins the nomination in August?

 

[No1butPaul]

This is not the "Libertarian Revolution", it is the "Ron Paul Revolution", because I (or we) trust this man.

+ me too

 

[PierzStyx]

That doesn't address what I said. What I said was that will the capable people have support of the Ron Paul people?

And my reply was Gary Johnson is NOT capable. That is your answer.

 

[misean]

Gary Johnson is a confused, inarticulate man running for president with the charisma of a peanut, as evidenced by his bizarre body language and boring tone of voice. His knowledge of Austrian Economics, sound money and the Fed are murky and undefined.

That's all true. I don't think Gary Johnson understands economics particularly well. That said, is Ron Paul articulate. He was the least articulate person in every debate. He did well because he has a coherent understanding of the way the world works and lived up to his view.

This is not the "Libertarian Revolution", it is the "Ron Paul Revolution", because I (or we) trust this man. I don't vote based on party; I am not a libertarian in the sense that I blindly vote for the [L] party and whoever is on their ballot like a fucking zombie. It's one thing to suck on the issues, but if you're untrustworthy or inconsistent, my vote is staying as far away from you as possible, because I am truly sick and tired of the BS.

Its a revolution for sound economic philosophy. Ron Paul has stuck his neck and been the best at getting people on board. Ron Paul should be the least important part of the equation. Read "Good to Great." The actual leader should not be nearly as important as values.

 

[misean]

And my reply was Gary Johnson is NOT capable. That is your answer.

I don't think he's capable of raising money or having mass appeal. He would be capable of running the country and working with Congress to enact changes.


I just don't understand. I feel there is huge opportunity to get Johnson votes this fall. People act like you are some sort of traitor for caring more about freedom than Ron Paul. Its kind of sick.