Pic of the McCain aftermath on the USS Forrestal

[Catatonic]

I'm waiting for uncollapse to pop in this thread and explain all the men killed by mccain's stupidity were terrorists or something equally absurd.

 

[jakedaniel]

OK, I just got back from the wiki article on the USS Forrestal fire and didn't see anything in it at all about McCain being responsible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire

I don't like McCain, but spreading bullshit like that makes you no better that the folks who spread all that "Ron Paul is a racist" bullshit around when it looked like he might actually have a chance of taking off in the primaries. Believe it if you want but I think buying into this supposed McCain/Forrestal fire cover-up conspiracy would be stupid.

 

[Time for Change]

I heard on the radio that McCain did what was called a "wet start" of the engine, which to my amateur understanding, meant that fuel was pumped into the combustion chamber of the engine without igniting it right then, then when somewhat flooded, it was ignited which produced a fireball behind the jet. It was something that the jet jocks did as a prank. That somehow caused a missile from behind McCain to launch -- whether from some defect in the missile launch system, or from a startled reaction of a human, or whatever.

The point being, that if McCain hadn't been jerking around, the accident wouldn't have occurred. The program also stated that there wasn't much doubt about the fault by the crew.... McCain was evacuated with the wounded in a forced immediate transfer even though any wounds he might have had were minor. Probably done to keep the crew from tearing him apart.

w00ter

NO...McWar's jet was situated nose in, just like every other jet on deck.
In other words, the exhaust of the engine was pointed outward from the carrier.
A fireball would have only been projected overboard.

Watch Shockwave on the history channel...that was one of their very first episodes.
It is well documented all over the place as well...look around.

oh, and by the way, SCREW MCCAIN...he's an asshole who has been handed everything his entire life.

 

[vancleef]

How many accidents happened on that air craft carrier?

Is the accident in this youtube not the same one that McCain was in, or were the names changed to protect the innocent?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6l1rwQJjYg

Thank you for that posting. I had not seen that video previously. It completely negates the original post as all the jets are parked with no one behind them.

Unfortunately, it also brought back too many memories of too many friends... who didn't make it home.

 

[nodope0695]

THE OP'S STORY ABOUT THE FORRESTAL IS FALSE!!!


I'm not one to defend McCain, but on this, YOU ARE WRONG. I am in the Navy, and the Forrestal fire is a standard training video for proper firefighting and flight deck safety.

The USS Forrestal fire was caused by an errant 5 inch ZUNI rocket, fired from an aircraft parked amidship on the flightdeck. The rocket streaked across the deck and hit a plane back aft. The resulting fire caused bombs on the aircraft to "cook off" and blow huge holes in the flight deck, and ignited huge fires below decks.

McCain just happened to be sitting in his A-4 amidst the conflagration. He jumped out of his cockpit, and swung down off his plane via the refueling probe.

The fire was NOT caused by McCain "showing off" with his afterburners...the A-4 Skyhawk does not have afterburners, as it is a subsonic attack aircraft. The rocket that caused the fire was launched by stray voltage in the weapon system's electrical wires.

So, your claim that McCain is responsible for the USS Forrestal fire is false, and not even close to the facts. But don't take my word for it, I'm just a 15 year Navy man. Check the record, and you'll see the truth. http://www.forrestal.org/fidfacts/page13.htm

 

[nodope0695]

McCain hit his afterburner with an aircraft right behind him. The pilot of that aircraft didn't like him any more than we do. A missile came off that aircraft, officially accidentally, and hit McCain's aircraft. McCain's aircraft dropped it's ordinance on the deck of the ship and McCain bailed.

FALSE!!!!

THE A-4 SKYHAWK DOES NOT HAVE AFTERBURNERS!!!!!!!!!!!

THE EXPLOSION WAS CAUSED BY A ZUNI ROCKET......

QUIT BEING SHEEP AND LOOK IT UP.

 

[nodope0695]

OK, I just got back from the wiki article on the USS Forrestal fire and didn't see anything in it at all about McCain being responsible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire

I don't like McCain, but spreading bullshit like that makes you no better that the folks who spread all that "Ron Paul is a racist" bullshit around when it looked like he might actually have a chance of taking off in the primaries. Believe it if you want but I think buying into this supposed McCain/Forrestal fire cover-up conspiracy would be stupid.

+1000

Amen, brother.

 

[DFF]

Let me see if I get this right. McCain came in 6th to last place in his naval class, crashed 2 planes while training, was indirectly involved in the USS Forrestal incident, got shot down over North Vietnam, was tortured and psychologically abused for years and now he wants to be our President. What's going on here?

 

[Hook]

Even if it had afterburners, if he had ignited them, it would have pushed him right off the deck even with wheel chocks. You have to have the engine spooled way up to even get the afterburner to ignite anyway.

 

[nodope0695]

...was indirectly involved in the USS Forrestal incident...

Only involved because he happened to be sitting in his aircraft awaiting launch when the fire started. This incident isn't even a factor to consider when looking at McCain, except to say he's a lucky SOB.

The rest, about his acadamy performance, and his flight training, and the fact he was shot down and captured DO play into my opinion of McCain...

But more, I look at his record as a politician to make my decisions, NOT at his shoddy career in the military.

 

[nodope0695]

Even if it had afterburners, if he had ignited them, it would have pushed him right off the deck even with wheel chocks. You have to have the engine spooled way up to even get the afterburner to ignite anyway.

Moot point anyway...the fire was started by a rocket...aircraft engines are idling all the time on the flight deck, and blowing into other aircraft all the time. McCain's engines aren't even a factor here.

The fact is, HE HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INCIDENT.

 

[Hook]

Moot point anyway...the fire was started by a rocket...aircraft engines are idling all the time on the flight deck, and blowing into other aircraft all the time. McCain's engines aren't even a factor here.

The fact is, HE HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INCIDENT.

Yeah, that is kind of what I was saying. McCain wasn't firing afterburners, so the OP story would have to be false.

 

[malibuu]

you better be sure about that. i want proof that McCain burnt down that ship. Many many people died. It was a tragedy.

Absolutely POSITIVE - "Johnny" McCain was and still is a jerk -

The R-AZZ Senator is no American hero -
just an 894th out of 899 in his graduating class C- student at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.

You can pretend he's a top gun - but everyone knew him as a fool -
and McCain crashed a plane into Corpus Christi Bay off the coast of Texas while trying to land once as well.

Watch the film /videotape of the start of the accident on the USS Forrestal carrier deck if you get the chance . . .
it's a bloody disgrace.

 

[malibuu]

Yeah, that is kind of what I was saying. McCain wasn't firing afterburners, so the OP story would have to be false.

really bad logic Hook -

McCain was messing around regardless of what he was doing -

I think it was something else than afterburners yeah - back jet wash or something -

hius engines xccaught on fire - he didn't do an inspection around the plane or something - and we he started it up
McCain's plane caught fire first by itself because he f'd up - the rocket fired across after wards.

get it Hook ?
or are you still in denial as to the pilot who caused
the parked plane disaster on the USS Forrestal in July of 1967 ?

 

[acptulsa]

FALSE!!!!

THE A-4 SKYHAWK DOES NOT HAVE AFTERBURNERS!!!!!!!!!!!

THE EXPLOSION WAS CAUSED BY A ZUNI ROCKET......

QUIT BEING SHEEP AND LOOK IT UP.

I bow to the master (or master chief, or fill in the blank). Afterburners was a gross oversimplification for wet start. Naturally A- series attack craft that lack the F/A dual purpose designation are not so equipped. I humbly apologize.

I have heard that McCain was doing the wet start bull, but I cannot claim I was on board that day. Don't know.

 

[Cogz]

McCain was messing around regardless of what he was doing -

I think it was something else than afterburners yeah - back jet wash or something -

hius engines xccaught on fire - he didn't do an inspection around the plane or something - and we he started it up
McCain's plane caught fire first by itself because he f'd up - the rocket fired across after wards.

get it Hook ?
or are you still in denial as to the pilot who caused
the parked plane disaster on the USS Forrestal in July of 1967 ?

So, because I was surfing the internet at work (something I shouldn't be doing) and some mechanic downstairs drops embers into a barrel of oil and catches the building on fire, my negligence contributed to a fire... yeah, right.

Myself and hundreds of thousands of Airman, Marines, and Seaman have walked behind the jet wash of aircraft on flightlines with no negative effect. In many cases, the air isn't even that hot more than 20 feet behind the aircraft. (matter of fact, the only time I felt uncomfortable enough to move out of the jet wash was behind a harrier in Yuma Arizona where the air temperature was already 120 degrees)

 

[malibuu]

I bow to the master (or master chief, or fill in the blank). Afterburners was a gross oversimplification for wet start, and that tale I recounted is obviously something I should never have believed. I humbly apologize.

afterburners may be wrong - wet start is maybe a better term to use, but regardless of exactly what McCain did to cause this, the pictures and video don't lie -
he should be held accoountable for his aircraft WHILE PARKED fer' sure.

"Johnny-boy" McCain's plane caught fire first while parked on the carrier deck -

and THAT's a fact jack !

 

[voytechs]

Just look at the last part of the film such summarizes what happened. McCain wasn't in anyway responsible for this. He was very very lucky though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK7RGpSlJ7Y

 

[malibuu]

Many of you have been led to believe the official company line but please be informed that
the errant missle on the USS Forrestal occurred AFTER the fire in the rear of McCain's jet.

If those of you WERE correct - and you are NOT, are you suggesting the fire started in the rear of McCain's plane from a missle that struck it ?
McCain's fire was first well before all the fireworks started.

We do believe that YOU may believe what you believe about the errant miussle as the cause -
but it's just too bad you are dead wrong.

So . . .

(1) McCain crashed into Corpus Christi Bay on a landing attempt and

(2) McCain was later at the center of the USS Forrestal disaster.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to wake up to the truth about this goof -
the 894th out of 899 in his US Naval Academy class, a solid C minus student, not falling TOO far behind, right there in the meaty part of the curve.

 

[malibuu]

Just look at the last part of the film such summarizes what happened. McCain wasn't in anyway responsible for this. He was very very lucky though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK7RGpSlJ7Y

This YouTube doesn't show the very beginning though -
when McCain's jet is the ONLY one on fire - a small fire in the rear - and then later you see the errant missle fly by.