Paul-endorsed congressional candidate winning Kansas GOP primary

The thing that keeps entering my mind is that Ron doesn't hand out endorsements willy-nilly. What, exactly, did Ron see in Tim's platform to give an endorsement?

He is especially stingy when it comes to endorsements in contested primaries. An RP endorsement for a general election sometimes goes to people who have a mix of some pretty bad views with some pretty good ones (like Michelle Bachman). But when he endorses someone in a contested primary, that's a case where he's really hoping to win a serious ally in Congress.
 
He is especially stingy when it comes to endorsements in contested primaries. An RP endorsement for a general election sometimes goes to people who have a mix of some pretty bad views with some pretty good ones (like Michelle Bachman). But when he endorses someone in a contested primary, that's a case where he's really hoping to win a serious ally in Congress.

Three years ago I'd have been an ardent Huckabee supporter.

Perhaps Mr. Huelskamp is in the midst of a reformation of some of his positions. That's something I can specifically relate to!
 
I didn't vote for huelskamp, but if he is elected that will make my job as precinct committee woman gain some importance this time around.
 
I didn't throw any baseless charge. I asked a question. I still haven't gotten an answer.

I don't know anything about Hueskamp or his position on farm bailouts. But do people really see his being a farmer as some kind of a plus? If so, why?

I was really talking about 'liberty' candidate farmers but yes, i think that we need more farmers in washington. I would much rather have a group of farmers than a group of attorneys. I think that farmers would take things more slowly. And yes, they would repeal or pass legislation to protect family farmers. I don't agree with subsidies and that is one potential downside.

But basically yes, a farmer in congress i would argue is much better than a career politician or lawyer.
 
I'm a Tim Huelskamp supporter who has met him in person. On economic issues Tim is as conservative as you can possibly get. He's never voted for a tax increase, and he has a record of voting against out of control spending. The votes in the Kansas Senate were usually like 40-1, with Tim being the one person voting "no." That may be one reason why Ron Paul endorsed him. Those of you who are social liberals won't like his social policies, as he's a hard core social conservative as well. (Although I don't know where he stands on the federal war on drugs.) There aren't going to be any Republicans running in Western Kansas who are going to be pro choice and support gay marriage. I would say that probably 80% of the people out there oppose those things.

I did ask him about his foreign policy positions, and he basically agreed with me that we would be better off reducing our military presence around the world and using our troops to secure the border and defend our own country. So I think that he at least leans to the non interventionist side. I asked him about Afghanistan as well, and although he's no Ron Paul, he doesn't support endless war there like Kristol, Cheney, etc. So I would say that on foreign policy he's probably more non interventionalist than the average Republican, but he probably isn't far enough in that direction to please many of you. Overall, I would say that Tim will probably be similar to Jim Demint and Tom Coburn. That may not be good enough for some of you, but I would think that you would prefer him to the likes of McCain and Graham.
 
Wanting to use government to define life and how people are allowed to relate with one another is pretty authoritarian. While Ron Paul acknowledges that abortion is a violent act against a child, he's particularly against government taking upon itself the role of suggesting what makes a person alive. And he's certainly not for the government telling people whether they are allowed to marry. This is why he always makes the point that politicians lead the country astray by asking the wrong questions. Instead of arguing over "this vs. that", they ought to be asking themselves whether they have the authority to decide this or that.

Not saying anything one way or another about Huelskamp, since I haven't familiarized myself with him. But I just wanted to make that point that "pro-life" and "anti-gay marriage" still have authoritarianism rooted in them.
Agreed.

Abortion is a personal matter. What goes on within a human body is the business of the owner of the body. During the first few months you wouldn't even know a woman was pregnant unless she told you. And why should you? Besides pregnancy DOES begin as a chemical reaction with cell division. Hardly a human being.
 
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I didn't throw any baseless charge. I asked a question. I still haven't gotten an answer.

I don't know anything about Hueskamp or his position on farm bailouts. But do people really see his being a farmer as some kind of a plus? If so, why?

Farmers are the foundation of a self sustaining Nation. Remember this when the Humane Society of the United States, PeTa and the rest of the nut jobs use their MILLIONS to mandate spay/neuter laws, pet limit laws and the like. These people want us all to become vegans. In CA for example it is now a felony to cage an egg laying chicken.

Farmers by and large oppose animal rights agenda. VERY important to protecting property and freedoms.
 
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Agreed.

Abortion is a personal matter. What goes on within a human body is the business of the owner of the body. During the first few months you wouldn't even know a woman was pregnant unless she told you. And why should you? Besides pregnancy DOES begin as a chemical reaction with cell division. Hardly a human being.

I was totally unconditional pro-choice on abortion when I came on this forum. After reading the viewpoints of Libertarians on this board who are against abortion, I have altered my views. Their arguments from the human rights perspective are very logical.
 
I was totally unconditional pro-choice on abortion when I came on this forum. After reading the viewpoints of Libertarians on this board who are against abortion, I have altered my views. Their arguments from the human rights perspective are very logical.

You would probably like Walter Blocks stance then, which I happen to support. Basically the woman does not have the right to kill the baby, but does have every right to evict the child. In other words, current technology allows for a woman to evict the child at around 7-8 months without killing. In the future (and not too far flung), a woman will be able to evict at 2-3 months without killing the child. This is probably more theoretical than reality at this point, but this position right now makes me both pro-choice, and pro-life :p My leanings though are favorably towards pro-life.

As for Huelskamp. I don't think I would have voted for him (Is there a libertarian in the race?), but as with most conservatives, they tend to like to conserve, and that means big-government grows larger, because their opponents increase it at every chance and conservatives never decrease it. So it is a stop-gap measure at best, and at worst status-quo. So we'll see.
 
I'm a Tim Huelskamp supporter who has met him in person. On economic issues Tim is as conservative as you can possibly get. He's never voted for a tax increase, and he has a record of voting against out of control spending. The votes in the Kansas Senate were usually like 40-1, with Tim being the one person voting "no." That may be one reason why Ron Paul endorsed him. Those of you who are social liberals won't like his social policies, as he's a hard core social conservative as well. (Although I don't know where he stands on the federal war on drugs.) There aren't going to be any Republicans running in Western Kansas who are going to be pro choice and support gay marriage. I would say that probably 80% of the people out there oppose those things.

I did ask him about his foreign policy positions, and he basically agreed with me that we would be better off reducing our military presence around the world and using our troops to secure the border and defend our own country. So I think that he at least leans to the non interventionist side. I asked him about Afghanistan as well, and although he's no Ron Paul, he doesn't support endless war there like Kristol, Cheney, etc. So I would say that on foreign policy he's probably more non interventionalist than the average Republican, but he probably isn't far enough in that direction to please many of you. Overall, I would say that Tim will probably be similar to Jim Demint and Tom Coburn. That may not be good enough for some of you, but I would think that you would prefer him to the likes of McCain and Graham.

Thank you for the insight. He's not perfect, but sounds better than a lot of the Republicans in the House. The good news is that we really don't need to throw a lot of resources his way, because Western Kansas is such a Republican-leaning district. If he were expected to have a close race in November, I think there would be some soul-searching going on over whether or not to support this guy financially.
 
You would probably like Walter Blocks stance then, which I happen to support. Basically the woman does not have the right to kill the baby, but does have every right to evict the child. In other words, current technology allows for a woman to evict the child at around 7-8 months without killing. In the future (and not too far flung), a woman will be able to evict at 2-3 months without killing the child. This is probably more theoretical than reality at this point, but this position right now makes me both pro-choice, and pro-life :p My leanings though are favorably towards pro-life.

As for Huelskamp. I don't think I would have voted for him (Is there a libertarian in the race?), but as with most conservatives, they tend to like to conserve, and that means big-government grows larger, because their opponents increase it at every chance and conservatives never decrease it. So it is a stop-gap measure at best, and at worst status-quo. So we'll see.

My God. We agree on something.

People forget that the argument for abortion concerns not the right of the woman to terminate the fetus, but rather her right to control over her own body. A good argument for abortion goes like this. A woman's right to her body is an absolute right. But nobody agrees when the rights of personhood should be extended to the fetus. So the right to life of the fetus is a possible right. The absolute right wins.

Basically, as technology increases and the fetus is able to be removed from a woman's body without the destruction of the fetus, then you able to protect both rights. And the pro-choice argument become much more difficult.

Anyway, on subject. Sounds like a good "NO" pickup in this guy. I wouldn't call him a "liberty candidate", but he sounds like a good ally on a lot of issues.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee
 
Farmers are the foundation of a self sustaining Nation.

I don't really care about "nations," self-sustaining or otherwise. But if I did, I still wouldn't buy this line. Economic growth doesn't come from smart people picking certain industries as more important than others, it comes from millions or billions of free individuals making up their own minds about what economic exchanges they want to make with one another and letting the chips fall wherever they fall as a result of those countless decisions.
 
I don't really care about "nations," self-sustaining or otherwise. But if I did, I still wouldn't buy this line. Economic growth doesn't come from smart people picking certain industries as more important than others, it comes from millions or billions of free individuals making up their own minds about what economic exchanges they want to make with one another and letting the chips fall wherever they fall as a result of those countless decisions.

I didn't say farming is more important than other industry.
 
I was totally unconditional pro-choice on abortion when I came on this forum. After reading the viewpoints of Libertarians on this board who are against abortion, I have altered my views. Their arguments from the human rights perspective are very logical.

Impossible. Blastocysts do not have rights.
 
What nobody (Libertarian or otherwise) has talked me out of: Strict pro-life beliefs are inherently religious in cause and structure, and therefore the enforcement of such ideas through use of the law/regulations/police is not only authoritarian, but the function of a militant religious state.

It's easy to say "human life is sacred" and leave it at that, but we also must ask why this is so. A Christian may soundly argue, within her premises, that human life is created by God in His image and is therefore fully sentient, spiritual and valued far above plant or animal life. An atheist may typically argue that yes, human life is more valuable than animal life, because we have evolved into the most sentient, evolved consciousness on Earth. Both sides agree on what makes human beings so special, inasmuch as our brains & souls -- our conscious awareness -- is the expression & substance of that value.

Since human life is valued for its self-awareness, it follows that a "human being" that has no awareness, no power to think or feel, may not be logically valued in the same way that a conscious, sentient person is valued. (When a baby is born without a brain, it dies, and is never considered a fully formed human being). Now a late-trimester fetus can scientifically, logically be shown to possess awareness and sentience. A five-months fetus has likely developed the special traits that make human life so valuable, with a brain, a heart and a consciousness. Even if we're "not sure" if fetuses or even small infants are completely self-aware and sentient human beings, it is absolutely wrong to kill them, just as it's wrong to throw a bomb into a building that "may have" people in it. A developed fetus is absolutely a form of human life & absolutely has natural rights.

But the idea that a first-weeks pregnancy, which at that point consists of a mother carrying a fertilized tissue mass, objectively constitutes a sentient and qualitatively human life, is absurd from a secular point of view. Does the woman at this point have the potential to create a human baby? Yes, she does. But so do any man and woman on a date. Has a self-aware human life yet formed and experienced human consciousness? No, it hasn't. From a secular, scientific, common-sense point of view, using the properties of human life as the standard of what human life is, there is no significant moral difference between two people A) deciding not to screw, B) screwing & using birth control, C) screwing, fertilizing (maybe) and using the morning-after pill, or D) screwing, fertilizing/conceiving, waiting two weeks and aborting the fertilized tissue mass. No new consciousness may be rationally shown to have lived, or died. A potential was always there and is always there every day, but that does not equal a human life any more than an abstention from sex equals an abortion.

But maybe that's wrong, you might say, because what about the Bible/Buddhism/Paganism theories of the soul awakening at conception, of reincarnation & the moment of transference, of your belief as a Christian that the soul in fact is birthed or reconstituted at the moment of fertilization? Well, what about them? These are perfectly valid concepts. Anyone is free to believe any or all or none of them & make personal, moral decisions based on those issues of faith or conviction. But it is not okay to enforce those views on your neighbor or on the public. If we say, "Christianity teaches us that every fertilized egg is a soul" and then go on to make laws that force non-Christians to comply (or Christians who do not choose to believe life begins at conception) with the resulting moral standard, then we are not respecting other faiths and belief systems, and we are enforcing a a religious code on our neighbors. I am sure that most everyone at Liberty Forest would defend one's right in a free society to move into a Hindu neighborhood and sell hamburgers or cooked rattlesnake. To the Hindus present, this would be a horrible crime of killing and eating holy, godlike creatures of worship. Who's to say they're wrong about those animals? That is part of their faith and moral worldview. Yet we would defend our restaurant owner his right to disagree with this religious, unproven, belief -- just as we must defend the liberties of those in Christian-filled communities who are homosexual, or Atheist, or whatever heresy they choose to partake in, if it is not objectively shown to be violent or criminal.

It is worth noting that "life begins at conception" is a fairly moderate version of long-held Western religious beliefs about sex and reproduction. Of course the Catholics are still technically against birth control because a condom does, in fact, prevent new souls from conception and birth. I have had evangelical Constitutionalists on DailyPaul tell me that wanking off is evil because "of all the little tadpoles" that die when you do it. Again, I don't necessarily have a problem with people who believe this, but would clearly demonstrate an authoritarian religious tyranny to make laws based on such beliefs that everyone must follow. Some wiseacre at this point might point out the implications of the government making jacking-off illegal and enforcing it using the surveillance powers of the Patriot Act, and of our entire 14 year old population subsequently going to jail as "pre-abortionists." I encourage you.

I think it is curious that no politicians (and precious few citizens) are able to qualitatively separate early/late term abortions -- objective acts of violence vs. acts merely perceived as violent within certain religious belief -- in this simple way. Dr. Paul has suggested, albeit timidly, legislation along such lines. Everyone else seems to be either hardcore anti-all abortion or hardcore pro-anytime abortion. Given the profound, qualitative differences between early/late term pregnancies & the lives they carry, this would appear to be absurd and myopic.
 
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Everyone else seems to be either hardcore anti-all abortion or hardcore pro-anytime abortion. Given the profound, objective, qualitative differences between early/late term pregnancies & the lives they carry, this would appear to be absurd and myopic.

Good post. I have notice this to be the case. There are members on here that say a woman doesn't have a choice even if it means her dying, such as with tubal pregnancy.

I have witnessed some interesting debates on this forum regarding abortion. I used to be 100% against it based on religious convictions, then, when I got out of the religion I grew up in, I went the other way and believed that a woman had a right to do whatever she wanted to with her body. Currently, I abhor abortions and I wish they didn't exist, but in the long run I still feel it's the woman's right to choose, especially if going full term could kill her.

Here is something to consider: If a woman decides to abort a fetus; that's fine and dandy with the law of the land. But if that same woman decides to have the baby and she comes to my house and slips on my greasy kitchen floor and has a miscarriage, she can sue me for everything I've got; even get manslaughter charges against me if it can be shown that I was willfully negligent.

This makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
You raise a good point, YumYum, my personal belief is that late term abortion is not the same, because there have been births where babies survived without artificial intervention. Certainly that cannot happen within the first 10 weeks. And before you say it yes I know it couldn't happen at 14 weeks either.

It is complex to be sure. However, I firmly believe early abortion is not a legal matter.

As for the fall I think she should not be able to sue you period. Only if you pushed her or tricked her into falling should it be your fault, and then you have assaulted the woman.
 
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