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[erowe1]

How does not believing in a God imply that one has a particular belief about the afterlife?

The definition that he presented and that I quoted said "or," not "and."

But even if it did say "and," I don't think I'd be going out on a limb to suggest that any belief any given atheist has about the afterlife is bound to be part of a system of beliefs that includes that atheist's belief that there is no god.

 

[Slutter McGee]

Good. Then we agree that atheism (along with whatever ethical system any given atheist thinks comports with his atheist worldview) is a religion, since atheism is "a set of beliefs pertaining to a diety, a higher state of being, or an afterlife."

Stop with the semantic games already. "Pertaining to" was the wrong word. How bout "belief in" which is different than a negative. Look. I don't want to argue about the definition of the friggin word.

I would like you to simply tell me if religion, as commonly accepted by society,....Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc.....is the only basis of moral ideas?

If you agree that these religions (my definition) is not the only basis of morallity, then WE agree, and this arguement is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. If you disagree, then we have something of substance to debate.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

 

[erowe1]

Stop with the semantic games already. "Pertaining to" was the wrong word. How bout "belief in" which is different than a negative.

But "pertaining to" was not the wrong word. It was a good definition with "pertaining to," and when you replace it with "belief in" you make it a terrible definition that is nothing short of stacking the deck so as to exclude all the various forms of religion that are atheistic from the category. And making belief in a deity a requirement for something to be religious is certainly not a "commonly agreed upon" requirement as you said.

It looks to me like you're the one insisting on playing semantic games.

 

[erowe1]

I would like you to simply tell me if religion, as commonly accepted by society,....Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc.....is the only basis of moral ideas?

I will say it the way I mean it, which is that one's moral ideas comprise part of a system of belief which make up one's religion, and there is no such thing as a person without religion, and I mean "religion" in the sense commonly accepted in society, so as to include theistic religions like Christianity and Islam, as well as atheistic ones, such as secular humanism, utilitarianism, and certain forms of Buddhism.

 

[Slutter McGee]

I will say it the way I mean it, which is that one's moral ideas comprise part of a system of belief which make up one's religion, and there is no such thing as a person without religion, and I mean "religion" in the sense commonly accepted in society, so as to include theistic religions like Christianity and Islam, as well as atheistic ones, such as secular humanism, utilitarianism, and certain forms of Buddhism.

Thats it. Debate is over. You are arguing that humanism and utilitarianism is a religion. Fine. You can have whatever definitions you want. You recognize that theistic religion are not the only source of morality. I agree. End of ridiculous argument.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

 

[SkyPie]

When I'm on the internet I usually just go to dictionary.com, or if I need something more meaty the OED.

Here's the first entry in the former for "ethics":


Here is the first entry for the singular "ethic" in the latter:


And here is the first entry for the plural "ethics" in the same:


I apologize if something about the fact that I believe something differently than you do came across as tyranny (another word of whose definition we are apparently not in agreement, it seems).

You can be an ethical person without necessarily being a moral one, since ethical implies conformity with a code of fair and honest behavior, particularly in business or in a profession an ethical legislator who didn't believe in cutting deals), while moral refers to generally accepted standards of goodness and rightness in character and conduct—especially sexual conduct the moral values she'd learned from her mother).

Should I continue to post here you will have continued trouble understanding my posts. I tend to skip over things assuming people know what I'm talking about. Fortunately I rarely have anything interesting to say so you don't need to feel bad about your inability to keep up.

 

[00_Pete]

Some people just intellectualize too much and get too philosophical...really...you guys should try waking up early in the morning, go to the bakery store buy a drink and a hot cake fresh off the oven, go outside, watch the sun appearing on the skyline, watch the birds in the trees flying around and singing their early morning tunes while thinking about absolutely nothing...just standing there watching the birds thinking about absolutely nothing...give it a try really...

Humanity about to be enslaved for the rest of its days?!? Who cares?! You just got to intellectualize and phylosophy "gay marriage...neocons...blahblah...sociocons...force over the individual...womans body...religion...blahblahblah...statists...liberty...blahblahblah..."

Really: Waking up in the morning before sun rises->Bakery store and buy something to drink and eat->Go outside->Watch the birds and the sun while thinking about absolutely nothing...just standing there, eating your cake, drinking your drink, watching the birds flying around and singing, and watch the Sun...give it a try...

And when you get home try to read any Antony Sutton book you can find (esp Wall Street Rise of Hitler/Bolshevik/FDR series, Best Enemies Money Can Buy and his America´s Secret Establishment masterpiece) and also watch some of his videos on youtube. Then you will see how miserable, small, low-priority those WORTHLESS issues are.

Go ask the Russians that survived the worst days of the totalitarian steel-toe boot if they gave a quarter of a baboons ass about gay marriage or abortion or any of that crap when the NKVP was doing the hunting...