Palestine has rejected 31 Israeli peace treaties

[DFF]

So again, you ignore Palestinian rockets flying into Israeli territory.

I didn't ignore the roman candles...I just didn't think they were relevant.

y saying Israel should simply apologize and cease their military actions, you're saying they should LET Gaza kill every Jew, just like they've been trying for decades. YOu know this, right? Or do you not trust the terrorists who promise to kill every Jew?

The Jews wouldn't be in any danger if they hadn't screwed over the Arabs by taking their land. They only have themselves to blame for any retaliation that takes place.

Treat people with decency and respect and they typically will reciprocate...but this is something that just doesn't register in the Zionist mindset.

But you know, this "danger" you're speaking of is widely exaggerated. The Palestinians don't even have a functioning military. They don't have the capability of "killing every Jew" like you claim.

Pretending to be a victim though keeps the racket going a little longer...but eventually the musics going to stop, and when it does...karma will be a bitch.

 

[DFF]

And BTW, I just one starred this pos along with everybody else....and yeah, I realize this is a troll/propaganda thread, but it was just too juicy to resist.

 

[maybemaybenot]

I didn't ignore the roman candles...I just didn't think they were relevant.



The Jews wouldn't be in any danger if they hadn't screwed over the Arabs by taking their land. They only have themselves to blame for any retaliation that takes place.

Treat people with decency and respect and they typically will reciprocate...but this is something that just doesn't register in the Zionist mindset.

But you know, this "danger" you're speaking of is widely exaggerated. The Palestinians don't even have a functioning military. They don't have the capability of "killing every Jew" like you claim.

Pretending to be a victim though keeps the racket going a little longer...but eventually the musics going to stop, and when it does...karma will be a bitch.

So you're both acknowledging that Gaza will attempt genocide, saying Jews deserve it, and calling me a troll for saying it shouldn't take place? You're right that Gaza poses no threat because Israel destroys their capabilities, forces every Jew to join the military, and has bomb shelters over every house and building in the country. Hamas gets funding/weapons from Iran (a big country), Syria and some Saudi/Qatari royals also. Israel destroys what Iran gives them, Iran gives them more, Israel destroys it, that's the cycle of violence with Hamas. If Israel took your advice and laid down their arms, Hamas would continue with their promise to kill the Jews, and you even admit you think Jews deserve it and should submit themselves to it.

So you don't believe in liberty, you're a hypocrite. You oppose self-defense against promised genocide, and you think they don't have the rights you do. You're a hypocrite. Not only do you believe in a total myth that Israel has committed 'greater war crimes' (my language) than Palestine, you actually think genocide should take place.

 

[twomp]

So you're both acknowledging that Gaza will attempt genocide, saying Jews deserve it, and calling me a troll for saying it shouldn't take place? You're right that Gaza poses no threat because Israel destroys their capabilities. Hamas gets funding/weapons from Iran (a big country), Syria and some Saudi/Qatari royals also. Israel destroys what Iran gives them, Iran gives them more, Israel destroys it, that's the cycle of violence with Hamas. If Israel took your advice and laid down their arms, Hamas would continue with their promise to kill the Jews, and you even admit you think Jews deserve it and should submit themselves to it.

So you don't believe in liberty, you're a hypocrite. You oppose self-defense against promised genocide, and you think they don't have the rights you do. You're a hypocrite.

YEAH and because you know, the holocaust!

 

[twomp]

Wait, so you're saying Palestine doesn't bomb Israeli kids, while storing their own weapons in schools? Come on, answer this.

Btw, you acknowledge that Palestine wants to destroy Israel more than they want the West Bank and Gaza right? Because you didn't even quote/respond to that part. Lol the whole key to the conflict. Israel supports two states. Palestine doesn't. You just ignore it.

Really? where did I say this? You have this knack for making up situations in your mind then turning it into reality. If I say that it is night time right now, your response would be, "are you saying there is no sun?"

Putting words into people's mouths in true IDF troll style.

 

[specsaregood]

I wish both sides would just annihilate each other so I never have to hear the incessant whining from either of them ever again.

 

[maybemaybenot]

Really? where did I say this? You have this knack for making up situations in your mind then turning it into reality. If I say that it is night time right now, your response would be, "are you saying there is no sun?"

Putting words into people's mouths in true IDF troll style.

So you admit that Hamas is using human shields, trying to get their own children killed for propaganda, AND blame Israel for those deaths. You admit that they store weapons in hospitals and schools.

Hamas only uses human shields because it deters Israel (and a twisting of "martyrdom" in the Quran, and if someone has to twist the Quran to justify a violent, murderous practice, then they must be really, really, really crazy). Hamas' main HQ is under the main hospital in Gaza City (built by Israel). They do this so the IDF won't bomb them, they even hold press conferences there so their top leaders can actually appear. They also interrogate reporters there, so they don't report anything anti-Hamas. They do this to deter Israel. Do you acknowledge that the use of human shields deters Israel from attacking? Or, if you don't think it deters Israel, then you must think that Gaza's own government just wants to murder its own ppl for propaganda.

So which is it? Does Hamas' use of human shields deter Israel from attacking? Or does Palestine purposely throw their schoolchildren to their inevitable deaths at Israeli hands, just for propaganda?

 

[twomp]

So you admit that Hamas is using human shields, trying to get their own children killed for propaganda, AND blame Israel for those deaths. You admit that they store weapons in hospitals and schools.

Hamas only uses human shields because it deters Israel (and a twisting of "martyrdom" in the Quran, and if someone has to twist the Quran to justify a violent, murderous practice, then they must be really, really, really crazy). Hamas' main HQ is under the main hospital in Gaza City (built by Israel). They do this so the IDF won't bomb them, they even hold press conferences there so their top leaders can actually appear. They also interrogate reporters there, so they don't report anything anti-Hamas. They do this to deter Israel. Do you acknowledge that the use of human shields deters Israel from attacking? Or, if you don't think it deters Israel, then you must think that Gaza's own government just wants to murder its own ppl for propaganda.

So which is it? Does Hamas' use of human shields deter Israel from attacking? Or does Palestine purposely throw their schoolchildren to their inevitable deaths at Israeli hands, just for propaganda?

See, there you go again. SPIN, SPIN, SPIN! But I can do it too! So you ADMIT, Israel likes to use Hamas as an excuse to get away with killing children?

 

[maybemaybenot]

See, there you go again. SPIN, SPIN, SPIN! But I can do it too! So you ADMIT, Israel likes to use Hamas as an excuse to get away with killing children?

You can dodge it all you want, but its true. Logically, Hamas only uses human shields for one or both of two purposes: 1. to deter Israel from attacking, just like Israel hasn't touched their main HQ/press HQ under the main hospital in Gaza City (built by Israel), and/or 2. to murder their own schoolchildren for propaganda against Israel.

You either believe in one or both. Why does Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, use human shields?

 

[Influenza]

If Israel wanted to commit genocide in the occupied territories, then why did they offer 95% of the territories in 2000?
it)?

This is a total falsification. Not only is the number between 5-10% too high depending on the "definition of the West Bank," but it ignores that there were more issues on the table than simply territory.

Israel wanted to deny the return of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees who may wish to come back and retain large settlements within this "Palestinian state."

That and basically deny Palestinians the ability of self determination

The Israeli negotiators proposed that Israel be allowed to set up radar stations inside the Palestinian state, and be allowed to use its airspace. Israel also wanted the right to deploy troops on Palestinian territory in the event of an emergency, and the stationing of an international force in the Jordan Valley. Palestinian authorities would maintain control of border crossings under temporary Israeli observation. Israel would maintain a permanent security presence along 15% of the Palestinian-Jordanian border. Israel also demanded that the Palestinian state be demilitarized with the exception of its paramilitary security forces, that it would not make alliances without Israeli approval or allow the introduction of foreign forces west of the Jordan River, and that it dismantle terrorist groups.[SUP][23][/SUP] One of Israel's strongest demands was that Arafat declare the conflict over, and make no further demands. Israel also wanted water resources in the West Bank to be shared by both sides and remain under Israeli management.

If I was a Palestinian leader there's no way in hell I would accept that proposal. I don't know what you're trying to do by spreading your lies and half-truths on RPF as if you're going to actually convince someone.

 

[twomp]

You can dodge it all you want, but its true. Logically, Hamas only uses human shields for one or both of two purposes: 1. to deter Israel from attacking, just like Israel hasn't touched their main HQ/press HQ under the main hospital in Gaza City (built by Israel), and/or 2. to murder their own schoolchildren for propaganda against Israel.

You either believe in one or both. Why does Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, use human shields?

You can dodge the question too if you want but it still remains the same, why does Israel have the right to bomb children then turn around and say," oh hamas?" Does any other country get to do the same thing? Can the United States bomb schools in Mexico then tell the world, ISIS was there? No proof necessary?

 

[maybemaybenot]

This is a total falsification. Not only is the number between 5-10% too high depending on the "definition of the West Bank," but it ignores that there were more issues on the table than simply territory.

Israel wanted to deny the return of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees who may wish to come back and retain large settlements within this "Palestinian state."

That and basically deny Palestinians the ability of self determination

And notice how Palestine did not give a counter-offer. You're calling the party that gave an offer bad for giving a selfish, bad offer (and 90%+ of the territories is not an exaggeration, its acknowledging the annexation of Jerusalem). But you're not calling out the party that wouldn't give an offer. They did not ask for all of the West Bank and Gaza. And btw, you have to remember that Arafat already promised to stop using terrorism and to amend the PLO charter to acknowledge Israel's right to some of the land, and Arafat already violated both within a couple yrs (they haven't amended the charter). Lol and if you argue that Arafat simply couldn't stop the terrorism, then you're saying Palestine has no ability to comply with their own peace treaties. So Israel's call for demilitarized Palestine wasn't crazy (and I really don't like it, btw, but I also don't like Arafat lying through his teeth for fiftieth time).

And you act like the party that starts and loses a repeated wars/invasions gets to keep every inch of their land. They don't get to keep all of their land. The country that had to defend itself from repeated illegal invasions is allowed to annex some of the land, especially when the invader/loser wages unconditional war for decades. Israel doesn't have to pretend that Arafat/Palestine only wanted the West Bank and Gaza when they were still screaming to their ppl that they were getting all the land. If an Israeli leader said Muslims eat Jewish babies you ppl would flip out, PA propaganda/spokespersons say it all the time and you act like its just normal and acceptable (while calling the PA moderate).

 

[Influenza]

And notice how Palestine did not give a counter-offer. You're calling the party that gave an offer bad for giving a selfish, bad offer (and 90%+ of the territories is not an exaggeration, its acknowledging the annexation of Jerusalem). But you're not calling out the party that wouldn't give an offer. They did not ask for all of the West Bank and Gaza. And btw, you have to remember that Arafat already promised to stop using terrorism and to amend the PLO charter to acknowledge Israel's right to some of the land, and Arafat already violated both within a couple yrs (they haven't amended the charter). Lol and if you argue that Arafat simply couldn't stop the terrorism, then you're saying Palestine has no ability to comply with their own peace treaties. So Israel's call for demilitarized Palestine wasn't crazy (and I really don't like it, btw, but I also don't like Arafat lying through his teeth for fiftieth time).

And you act like the party that starts and loses a repeated wars/invasions gets to keep every inch of their land. They don't get to keep all of their land. The country that had to defend itself from repeated illegal invasions is allowed to annex some of the land, especially when the invader/loser wages unconditional war for decades. Israel doesn't have to pretend that Arafat/Palestine only wanted the West Bank and Gaza when they were still screaming to their ppl that they were getting all the land. If an Israeli leader said Muslims eat Jewish babies you ppl would flip out, PA propaganda/spokespersons say it all the time and you act like its just normal and acceptable (while calling the PA moderate).

The conflict started with globalists declaring a "Jewish State" where there already were other non-Jewish people living on the land of the envisioned state. Ever since then, those Arabs native to the area have had legitimate grievances and their resistance to these UN imposed and unfair borders has been justified. You can't pretend that Palestinians/Arabs started the conflict.

 

[newbitech]

wow what a pitiful display of ignorance in this thread. The OP has good information to share, it opened my eyes to some facts I had not seen.

The fact is, the Arabs have never tried to settle the dispute without demanding non-arabs leave the territory. This is not unique to the "Palestinian" ignoring any offer to compromise in the conflict. This is the uncompromising attitude of arabs in this region at large.

Yes the Israelis militants with the help of the USA is committing atrocities. That doesn't change the fact that the Palestinian militants are doing the same to their own people and would love nothing more than to do that to the Israelis of course with the help of the USA as well.

No two wrongs do not make a right, but the fact of the matter is, there has been absolutely no desire by the people opposed to israel and stacked up on israel borders to find a peaceful solution.

Anyone making that claim in the face of facts is full of it.

And piling on this OP with ignorance is just pathetic. It makes me want to leave forget this board ever existed and tell the so called "liberty" movement to go screw itself.

This isn't how to treat people. Your ideological hatred of Israel proper and inability to distinguish between government and people is so hypocritical as to be lukewarm in my mouth and cause me to want to spit you out.

Disgusted at this thread and the people who just horribly fail at making any case at all for the so called palestinians. The blatant disregard of historical fact, and the baseless claims made in support of the actions of the palestinians and arabs in handling this conflict does those people no favors and makes anyone leaning on the ideas of "palestinian" self determination and "palestenian" statehood look like utter contemptible fools.

"Palestine" is historically not the sliver of land between israel and the mediterranean. read a freaking map will ya? learn some history for the love of Ron Paul. Otherwise if you don't know wtf you are talking about, just shut up. Or continue disgracing this forum with your ignorance. I've yet to hear one attempt to refute any of the facts in the OP. Yet the OP is getting treated terribly. Yuck, shame on this forum for it's lack of perspective and contempt for the truth!

 

[twomp]

wow what a pitiful display of ignorance in this thread. The OP has good information to share, it opened my eyes to some facts I had not seen.

The fact is, the Arabs have never tried to settle the dispute without demanding non-arabs leave the territory. This is not unique to the "Palestinian" ignoring any offer to compromise in the conflict. This is the uncompromising attitude of arabs in this region at large.

Yes the Israelis militants with the help of the USA is committing atrocities. That doesn't change the fact that the Palestinian militants are doing the same to their own people and would love nothing more than to do that to the Israelis of course with the help of the USA as well.

No two wrongs do not make a right, but the fact of the matter is, there has been absolutely no desire by the people opposed to israel and stacked up on israel borders to find a peaceful solution.

Anyone making that claim in the face of facts is full of it.

And piling on this OP with ignorance is just pathetic. It makes me want to leave forget this board ever existed and tell the so called "liberty" movement to go screw itself.

This isn't how to treat people. Your ideological hatred of Israel proper and inability to distinguish between government and people is so hypocritical as to be lukewarm in my mouth and cause me to want to spit you out.

Disgusted at this thread and the people who just horribly fail at making any case at all for the so called palestinians. The blatant disregard of historical fact, and the baseless claims made in support of the actions of the palestinians and arabs in handling this conflict does those people no favors and makes anyone leaning on the ideas of "palestinian" self determination and "palestenian" statehood look like utter contemptible fools.

"Palestine" is historically not the sliver of land between israel and the mediterranean. read a freaking map will ya? learn some history for the love of Ron Paul. Otherwise if you don't know wtf you are talking about, just shut up. Or continue disgracing this forum with your ignorance. I've yet to hear one attempt to refute any of the facts in the OP. Yet the OP is getting treated terribly. Yuck, shame on this forum for it's lack of perspective and contempt for the truth!

You should do as you promise and leave this board forever. But I'm sure just like the OP, you will be here again. Trolling us with your I LOVE Israel thoughts. You seem like a much better troll though. At least you post in other threads. The OP posts on NOTHING but Israel threads. He is here for one reason and one reason only. He is here to support Israel. With that said, please do as you stated and leave forever.

 

[Miss Annie]

You should do as you promise and leave this board forever. But I'm sure just like the OP, you will be here again. Trolling us with your I LOVE Israel thoughts. You seem like a much better troll though. At least you post in other threads. The OP posts on NOTHING but Israel threads. He is here for one reason and one reason only. He is here to support Israel. With that said, please do as you stated and leave forever.

Isn't that the point? To make people who disagree with you WANT to leave? Forget and forgo intelligent dialogue. Let's just work at controlling the narrative. Makes one wonder who really is the troll - at least who is the one getting a paycheck for it? LOL

 

[maybemaybenot]

You can dodge the question too if you want but it still remains the same, why does Israel have the right to bomb children then turn around and say," oh hamas?" Does any other country get to do the same thing? Can the United States bomb schools in Mexico then tell the world, ISIS was there? No proof necessary?

What proof are you expecting? When do countries show official certificates of proof that their actions were valid and justified? In all seriousness, what proof are you asking for? You even admit Hamas uses human shields. So you admit that Israel tries to avoid hitting civilians, hence they haven't attacked Hamas' main HQ/press HQ underneath Gaza City's main hospital built by Israel, in a bomb shelter built by Israel.

 

[maybemaybenot]

The conflict started with globalists declaring a "Jewish State" where there already were other non-Jewish people living on the land of the envisioned state. Ever since then, those Arabs native to the area have had legitimate grievances and their resistance to these UN imposed and unfair borders has been justified. You can't pretend that Palestinians/Arabs started the conflict.

No, the Muslim nations had no legitimate grievances against Israel when they invaded Israel in 1947. Not an inch of land had been stolen from anyone, yet.

During the 1947-48 war, Israel and Palestine/Muslim nations both kicked out Muslims/Jews, in a war started by the Muslims. In the 1947 UN proposed borders (didn't actually go into effect, Israel accepted it unilaterally), Israel got land that already had a 55% Jewish majority, before either side stole an inch of land. Israel even accepted borders that didn't include any of the four major holy cities (Jerusalem/Hebron/Judea/Samaria), with Jerusalem being a UN/international city since it was 40% Jewish despite centuries of discrimination against Jewish ownership.

And all these countries were invented at the same time; Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan. Why is Israel more illegal than them? They all kicked out a ton of Jews.

 

[twomp]

What proof are you expecting? When do countries show official certificates of proof that their actions were valid and justified? In all seriousness, what proof are you asking for? You even admit Hamas uses human shields. So you admit that Israel tries to avoid hitting civilians, hence they haven't attacked Hamas' main HQ/press HQ underneath Gaza City's main hospital built by Israel, in a bomb shelter built by Israel.

You like to use the word "admit" a lot huh? Admit this and ADMIT that. I admit that Israel bombs Gaza indiscriminately and then when multiple sources say they bombed civilians, they go back to the same excuse they use for EVERYTHING. Hamas! They say Hamas used them as shields. Even when they bombed UN schools. They said, "oh, Hamas" and the cheerleaders like you use that as an excuse for killing children.

So that's what I admit. That Israel kills children in and uses Hamas as the reason for doing it. Does that clarify to you what I ADMIT?

 

[twomp]

Isn't that the point? To make people who disagree with you WANT to leave? Forget and forgo intelligent dialogue. Let's just work at controlling the narrative. Makes one wonder who really is the troll - at least who is the one getting a paycheck for it? LOL

Is that what you are doing? He/She said this forums disgusts him/her and wants to leave this forum forever. IF that is the case, he or she should just do it. Was I supposed to beg them to stay? You are more than welcome to beg him or her to stay if you please. I promise not to hold it against you.