Palestine has rejected 31 Israeli peace treaties

[maybemaybenot]

No matter what, the Israelis are currently committing war crimes far worse than the Nazis ever did. Slaughtering women and children. God help them.

If massive civilian casualties equal war crimes, then wouldn't you be arguing that every war ever was worse than what the Nazis did? You're just using double standards. Lol there are times Israel announces the terrorist leader whose house they'll bomb, and Hamas (and the PA) tell ppl to go there to act as human shields. You don't care. You criticize Israel over it.

And so you think Hamas should be allowed to build tunnels to ship weapons and terrorists into Israel? And you think Hamas should be allowed to use human shields, and then just call them civilians killed by Israel? And shoot rockets from inside ppl's homes? You blame Israel for those deaths? And what do you think Hamas would do if they had Israeli military power? They say they want to kill all the Jews. You doubt them?

Most importantly, what would you do? Its easy to criticize from half a world away. What if you were in Israel, and you had to go into bomb shelters multiple times a day because of Palestinian rockets? You'd be okay with that?

 

[newbitech]

No matter what, the Israelis are currently committing war crimes far worse than the Nazis ever did. Slaughtering women and children. God help them.

Yeah, I think it doesn't take much digging to understand why peace offers are being rejected. I'm just not so sure that the idea of "palestine" is one that the people who occupy that particular region designated by the "international" community accept. I mean how can those people be forced to accept peace terms that identifies them as something they clearly don't consider themselves as?

Sort of makes no sense in light of the historical view. At the same time, the whole idea of pan-Arabia is just as repulsive to me.

 

[twomp]

You know, I'm hearing a lot of "Zionist agent, Zionist agent," and not a lot of arguments. Its almost like you guys gave up.

Why argue with a Israeli troll about Israel? It's like arguing with a child about Santa Claus. Do you know who Santa Claus is? In America, we tell our children about him to sort of explain Christmas. Kind of like how we tell our children about the holocaust so they learn to allow Israel to do whatever it wants in the Middle East. It's like hey Israel just killed a bunch of Palestinian children. And the answer is usually, " well its okay because you know, the holocaust."

 

[newbitech]

I think it's ironic that people will eschew the idea of physical intervention in regards to a fight between neighbors while espousing a revolution of ideas, yet have no qualms of taking ideological sides in the same conflict. hmm... maybe i'm not in the thread I thought i was in.

 

[maybemaybenot]

You do realize, don't you, that most of us are in another former British colony, that most of us are of the opinion that the citizens of that colony who declared independence had every right to do so, and that you are really, really barking up the wrong tree if you think we think those people had more right to do so than people who had lived on their 'British Crown Colony' since before the Normans learned to paint themselves blue...?



We make the case, you ignore the fact, and you want us to keep saying stuff? Why? You won't acknowledge the point even if we make seven or eight airtight cases. And you know it.

I never said Palestine doesn't have the right to exist, neither does Israel. Arabs (and critics here) say that Israel doesn't have the right to exist. Again, you ppl have this conflict totally upside down. And unlike the British colonies (other than Manhattan), the JNF and the evil Rothschilds (I actually do hate them) bought land from Natives. In the 1947 war, 700k Muslims were kicked out of Israel, while nearly a million Jews were kicked out of the Arab states that invaded Israel.

Lol yeah, your airtight case for me being a Zionist agent. You can't respond to basic arguments, you can't hold Israel to the same standard as other countries, and when you're called out on it you cry "Zionist agent" over and over. Lol its not at all plausible that I'm some biased, brainwashed Zionist (who routinely condemns Zionism, while you ppl can't condemn Islamism). No, he must be a Zionist agent. That's an "airtight case."

 

[Ronin Truth]

So what, same can be said of most people anywhere these days.

Anyways, here is the historical record of the Kingdom of Israel. Not saying I support modern Israeli usurpers, but if the argument is of "indigenous" nature in favor of the so called Palestinians returning to their so called home land, its severely flawed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy)

That being said, I would reiterate that the problems in this particular area of the world and all over the world for that matter have been historically generated by greedy corrupt tyrannical individuals regardless of race, religion, or ethical creed.

My question is, why has the rest of the world seemed to settle down for the most part and is this one particular area attract so much historical attention?

I get that it is around the vicinity of the supposed cradle of civilization (if that's not a laugher) and is the historical cross roads of the global economy. But, really I feel there must be more too it. Sure today it's natural resources, but what about say 500 years ago, why the incessant attacks by the crusaders? Or 1300 years ago, why the take over by the original caliph?

What is so important about this territory to corrupt, greedy, tyrants the world over throughout history?

Jordan should absorb the Palestinian population. (same folks) Saudi Arabia and the Rothschild Zionists should stop financing and stirring up the pot. Will these things happen? I seriously doubt it. They will just keep on fussing and fighting until they decide to quit because it's in everyone's best interest to do so.
Or until Jesus comes back and sorts stuff out.

 

[maybemaybenot]

Why argue with a Israeli troll about Israel? It's like arguing with a child about Santa Claus. Do you know who Santa Claus is? In America, we tell our children about him to sort of explain Christmas. Kind of like how we tell our children about the holocaust so they learn to allow Israel to do whatever it wants in the Middle East. It's like hey Israel just killed a bunch of Palestinian children. And the answer is usually, " well its okay because you know, the holocaust."

Oh really? And who's brining up "Holocaust" and "Nazis" in this thread? Its not me. Its you guys. You're the one who insists that Arab violence against Israelis isn't relevant to Israeli violence against Arabs. Lol you routinely mention Israeli attacks without any mention of preceding Arab attacks, and then when I point out the Arab attacks you say its irrelevant and "out of context" (which would make your mention of a sole Israeli attack even MORE out of context). Then you just call me a Zionist agent.

I've admitted Israeli crimes repeatedly. I bring up the expelling of Muslims from Israel repeatedly. I don't hide it. Lol I think I'm the only one who has EVER brought up that specific fact. But you guys will never admit an Arab crime, ever. You'll literally blame Israel for the death of Palestinians used as human shields, you'll explicitly blame Israel for a death even if you admit they were being used as a human shield.

And of course, you can't confront the fact that Israel has always offered peace, and Palestine has always rejected it. Always. Palestine itself never came into existence because they couldn't resist attacking Israel.

 

[Ronin Truth]

I think it's ironic that people will eschew the idea of physical intervention in regards to a fight between neighbors while espousing a revolution of ideas, yet have no qualms of taking ideological sides in the same conflict. hmm... maybe i'm not in the thread I thought i was in.

"Blessed are the peacemakers."

 

[twomp]

Oh really? And who's brining up "Holocaust" and "Nazis" in this thread? Its not me. Its you guys. You're the one who insists that Arab violence against Israelis isn't relevant to Israeli violence against Arabs. Lol you routinely mention Israeli attacks without any mention of preceding Arab attacks, and then when I point out the Arab attacks you say its irrelevant. Then you just call me a Zionist agent.

I've admitted Israeli crimes repeatedly. I bring up the expelling of Muslims from Israel repeatedly. I don't hide it. Lol I think I'm the only one who has EVER brought up that specific fact. But you guys will never admit an Arab crime, ever. You'll literally blame Israel for the death of Palestinians used as human shields, you'll explicitly blame Israel for a death even if you know they were being used by terrorists.

AND because you know, the holocaust!

 

[maybemaybenot]

Well, I'm inclined to believe that the Zionist's goal is to establish "Greater Israel".

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en......1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..4.6.2092.3ZYTgqyUqYU

If the Zionists' goal was to establish "Greater Israel," why did Israel give most of their territory to Egypt in 1973? Not to mention offers for the ENTIRE West Bank and Gaza before 1967, and 97% of it since? Israel literally declared borders in 1947 that did not include a single one of the four holy cities: Jerusalem (which was 40% Jewish in 1947, before an inch of land was stolen, despite discriminatory policies against Jewish ownership), Judea, Samaria and Hebron. Since then, they have offered Samaria, Judea and Hebron repeatedly, as well as having Jerusalem being an int'l city, or another offer with East Jerusalem in Palestine.

So basically, you don't know basic facts about the conflict. Lol I'm not even refuting the fact that Israel has committed and still commits horrible crimes. But to call them the aggressors here is just delusional. Ppl here are insisting Palestine was a country before 1947 (or jumping around it and implying it), when it never was. Ever.

 

[maybemaybenot]

What am I making up? The land was called Palestine. The people living there were called Palestinians. This whole mess was and is totally a creation of the UN. For me, it's case closed. You don't like that? That's OK too.

Oh, so you're admitting that all of the countries invented by the UN/League of Nations were bogus and illegal? And not singling out Israel? Lol fine by me then.

And no, they weren't called Palestinians before, that's another fact you're making up. Lol this topic is ridiculous, ppl just make up this fictional history of the world. You said Israel stole someone else's country, but that country never existed. Now you're relying on temporary British governing mandates, even though the ppl living there didn't even want to be Palestine, they wanted to be part of Syria. This is all about Muslim land staying Muslim land, Palestine is just the excuse. Palestine has the right to exist because they want to be a country, its that simple, but they don't have the right to attack their neighbor.

 

[newbitech]

Jordan should absorb the Palestinian population. (same folks) Saudi Arabia and the Rothschild Zionists should stop financing and stirring up the pot. Will these things happen? I seriously doubt it. They will just keep on fussing and fighting until they decide to quit because it's in everyone's best interest to do so.
Or until Jesus comes back and sorts stuff out.

or Mohammed or the Annunaki.

I personally believe there is something else in this particular territory that is being fought over. I'd like to find out and expose it, but it seems to be an extremely closely guarded secret. Must be powerful whatever it is. Clearly it's not in control of the Arabs. Maybe the Arabs are just ignorant of it. Maybe whatever it is has been long forgotten until recently.

Maybe Indiana Jones knows? I think it's worth more speculation and investigation than the retread argument of Jews/Christians vs Islamist. Especially more interesting than the now hipster notion of some ideological self-determinations constantly foisted upon the oppressed people in the ancient land of Israel.

I especially would like to think that enlightened Americans with libertarian ideals would recognize the similarities between pan-Americanism, pan-Arabism and recognize how taking sides in the conflict in the middle east including physical and ideological intervention is not only contrary to libertarian core philosophies but also somewhat intellectually dishonest.

I suppose one could say that ideologically Israel's actions are a threat to individuals in the United States. It's a stretch IMO just like it's a stretch that somehow "ISIS" is a threat to individuals in the United States.

I'd much prefer to focus the support on digging up the truth about the subject of the conflict, namely the territory being fought over, rather than which clan or tribe has the best claim which invariably is rooted in ancient myth and legend, wholly unsupported by objective facts and being unable to form the basis of any type of logical approach to principled and judicious reproach.

 

[twomp]

If the Zionists' goal was to establish "Greater Israel," why did Israel give most of their territory to Egypt in 1973? Not to mention offers for the ENTIRE West Bank and Gaza before 1967, and 97% of it since? Israel literally declared borders in 1947 that did not include a single one of the four holy cities: Jerusalem (which was 40% Jewish in 1947, before an inch of land was stolen, despite discriminatory policies against Jewish ownership), Judea, Samaria and Hebron. Since then, they have offered Samaria, Judea and Hebron repeatedly, as well as having Jerusalem being an int'l city, or another offer with East Jerusalem in Palestine.

So basically, you don't know basic facts about the conflict. Lol I'm not even refuting the fact that Israel has committed and still commits horrible crimes. But to call them the aggressors here is just delusional. Ppl here are insisting Palestine was a country before 1947 (or jumping around it and implying it), when it never was. Ever.

In 1997, when I was a kid, my mom told me she would buy me the moon when I graduated high school. Then when I graduated, I got no moon. Same story here, Israel offer to the Palestinians in 19whatevers is no longer valid. Your argument about Israel's offer 50 years ago is about as valid as my moms offer for the moon.

 

[Ronin Truth]

If the Zionists' goal was to establish "Greater Israel," why did Israel give most of their territory to Egypt in 1973? Not to mention offers for the ENTIRE West Bank and Gaza before 1967, and 97% of it since? Israel literally declared borders in 1947 that did not include a single one of the four holy cities: Jerusalem (which was 40% Jewish in 1947, before an inch of land was stolen, despite discriminatory policies against Jewish ownership), Judea, Samaria and Hebron. Since then, they have offered Samaria, Judea and Hebron repeatedly, as well as having Jerusalem being an int'l city, or another offer with East Jerusalem in Palestine.

So basically, you don't know basic facts about the conflict. Lol I'm not even refuting the fact that Israel has committed and still commits horrible crimes. But to call them the aggressors here is just delusional. Ppl here are insisting Palestine was a country before 1947 (or jumping around it and implying it), when it never was. Ever.

I was alive in 1948, were you?

 

[maybemaybenot]

Lol omg, its not just 31 peace treaties rejected by the good ole Pals, just this last month they rejected land from Egypt that would have increased PA territory by 25%. Lol the supposedly moderate PA rejected it ("moderate" because we hold Muslims to lower standards), let alone Hamas rejected it. They don't want peace, they never wanted peace. Egypt wanted to be done with the entire conflict, and literally give land to Palestine to make it happen. Palestinians would have been allowed to move there and everything. They didn't want it. Nope. Not even a counter-offer to build on the Egyptian offer, Egypt offered land for refugees to move to, and the Palestinians turned them down, period.

 

[maybemaybenot]

I was alive in 1948, were you?

No I wasn't. So why is your memory so bad? You thought Palestine was a country before 1947? Should have paid closer attention to the radio. Was the signal sketchy?

 

[DFF]

Ppl here are insisting Palestine was a country before 1947 (or jumping around it and implying it), when it never was. Ever.

Whether it was or wasn't a country is immaterial. The Arab Palestinians had homes, and orchards where "Israel" stands today. They were kicked off their land at the barrel of a gun, and are now essentially inmates in the biggest open air prison in the world in Gaza.

Also, they are repeated victims of brutal Zionist aggression as was the case recently when over 3,000 Palestinians were killed - most civilians. Women and children. Schools and hospitals were intentionally target by the Zionist regime. All this slaughter over three dead Jews in the West Bank. It was totally absurd.

Imagine if the US attacked Mexico because some kids who went across the border to Tijuana got killed in a drug related crossfire. Can you imagine the outrage if the US just started capping Mexican women and children and blowing up Mexican hospitals?

But Israel gets a free pass because their ancestors suffered a six trillion holocaust or whatever the numbers been revised upwards to today so they can continue committing war crimes and extorting money through reparations.

 

[maybemaybenot]

In 1997, when I was a kid, my mom told me she would buy me the moon when I graduated high school. Then when I graduated, I got no moon. Same story here, Israel offer to the Palestinians in 19whatevers is no longer valid. Your argument about Israel's offer 50 years ago is about as valid as my moms offer for the moon.

Of course fifty yr old offers aren't valid. My pt is that Israel wants peace, Palestine doesn't. You don't have a response to this.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Lol yep, all you guys have are conspiracy theories. I'm a Zionist agent, I'm secretly that guy. Well you sound like somebody who can't construct a rational thought, so you just insult the speaker.

Speaking of rational thought, what about Israel took the land from others originally? And, their people aren't living by the oath that Abraham made with the indigenous people. If all of that has anything to do with the truth.

And then, there is the person, the individual. Who gives a shit about a county if it can't enhance the individual. You know, the one that lives and breathes, that works the land and has life that is living and breathing and thinking.

 

[maybemaybenot]

Whether it was or wasn't a country is immaterial. The Arab Palestinians had homes, and orchards where "Israel" stands today. They were kicked off their land at the barrel of a gun, and are now essentially prisoners in the biggest open air prison in the world in Gaza. And are repeated victims of brutal Zionist aggression as was the case recently when over 3,000 Palestinians were killed - most civilians. Women and children. Schools and hospitals were intentionally target by the Zionist regime.
All this slaughter over three dead Jews in the West Bank. It was totally absurd.

Imagine if the US attacked Mexico because some kids who went across the border to Tijuana got killed in a drug related crossfire. Can you imagine the outrage if the US just started capping Mexican women and children and blowing up Mexican hospitals? But Israel gets a free pass because their ancestors suffered a six trillion holocaust or whatever the numbers been distorted upwards to today so they can continue committing war crimes and extorting money through reparations.

Again, made up history. When Israel kicked out 700k Muslims, the Muslims kicked out even more Jews. So why aren't you complaining about them?

Hamas literally use human shields, and lie about the death numbers. You're literally swearing allegiance to Hamas's civilian death toll numbers. Countries lie. Genocidal terrorist organizations lie too.

Lol and its not just over three teenagers, you're so ignorant and insulting, its amazing. Hundreds of rockets flying into Israel, they were going into bomb shelters multiple times a day. Hamas was building over thirty tunnels to reach underneath Israel. BUt you ppl don't care, you actually pretend these things don't happen. You pretend Israel responds to nothing.

Lol you literally downplay the Holocaust, outright ignore murders and attempted murders by an organization that actually would kill every Jew if they could (unless you doubt their stated intentions), and ignore the fact that they start each stage of the conflict. You really just don't know what you're talking about.