Open Borders Terrorist Tries to Murder Sheriff Joe Arpaio

So explain to us what you'd do, as opposed to Arpaio's supposed "draconian" methods? Its very easy criticize the sheriff from afar.

Stop the welfare, free education and other government benefits like Ron Paul would like and remove minimum wage laws that provide the need for an illegal low priced work force. These are the root of the immigration problems.

Do you realize what kind of police force would be necessary to round up all the illegals in this country? It would require a MASSIVE expansion of government and would necessitate the activation of the FEMA detention camps. The only reason most of these people come over illegally instead of legally is because the immigration laws in this country are insane. I fault the politicians and bureaucrats for this royal fuck up, not the immigrants.

So excuse me if I choose to criticize a FASCIST from afar. Sheriff Joe has violated the rights and lives of countless numbers of Americans. So now I'm supposed to cheer him on because he now is being a fascist dick to foreigners now instead of American citizens? Maybe you should check which forums you're on.
 
Stop the welfare, free education and other government benefits like Ron Paul would like and remove minimum wage laws that provide the need for an illegal low priced work force. These are the root of the immigration problems.

Do you realize what kind of police force would be necessary to round up all the illegals in this country? It would require a MASSIVE expansion of government and would necessitate the activation of the FEMA detention camps. The only reason most of these people come over illegally instead of legally is because the immigration laws in this country are insane. I fault the politicians and bureaucrats for this royal fuck up, not the immigrants.

We have immigration quotas set in place, due to the finite resources available to the state and federal governments. Do you know what this country would look like, if we had an official open borders policy for the the entire world?

So excuse me if I choose to criticize a FASCIST from afar. Sheriff Joe has violated the rights and lives of countless numbers of Americans. So now I'm supposed to cheer him on because he now is being a fascist dick to foreigners now instead of American citizens? Maybe you should check which forums you're on.

change the law and then you can call him a fascist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0oqik88NYk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TztNnvSPPVg
 
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We have immigration quotas set in place, due to the finite resources available to the state and federal governments. Do you know what this country would look like, if we had an official open borders policy for the the entire world?



change the law and then you can call him a fascist.

I'll call him anything I want and neither you or anybody else is going to stop me. Don't tell me what I can or cannot say. He is a fascist drug warrior and a xenophobe. If you support him and his tactics so are you.
I never advocated an open border policy. Don't put words into my mouth. I said that our current immigration laws are insane. The state and federal bureaucrats are the problem so bringing them up is not a good excuse for why these people couldn't be let into this country in a more orderly fashion. The system is the problem not the poor hardworking people that are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. Fix the system. Don't round up millions into detention camps at the point of a gun. That is what fascists do.
 
Sure there is proof...the bologna Arpaio serves is outdated, green and oxidized according to Wikipedia...would you eat that? I agree about the basic nutrition.

If prisoners are fainting or experiencing dehydration from the extreme heat then not giving them water or a/c is cruel and unusual punishment.

I never said there has to be TV or the jails should be luxurious.

Is there a more credible source than wikipedia?
I have learned that much of the information on that site is questionable at best; therefore, I have little trust in wikipedia as an authoritative source.

I am relatively sure there are federal / state standards that mandate the food quality and associated inspections / reports.
Violations are public record...searchable?

Keep in mind also that most prisons and jail systems have inmates (trustees) prepare and serve the food...I cannot see these people serving garbage and living very long.

If expired food is indeed being served and can be verified 100%, then work on solving that problem, but being tough on crime is NOT necessarily a bad thing.

to another poster...
Sure, let’s get tribal security forces in place so they can fight over jurisdiction and begin demanding payment for "Protection". :rolleyes:

Man...this thread is all over the place...lol
 
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But then what about the legal ramifications of a private security force operating in a such a capacity? It could get very expensive.

A security monopoly is less expensive than multiple competing security institutions. How can than be? That's the opposite from the way every other service works.
 
I'll call him anything I want and neither you or anybody else is going to stop me. Don't tell me what I can or cannot say. He is a fascist drug warrior and a xenophobe. If you support him and his tactics so are you.
I never advocated an open border policy. Don't put words into my mouth. I said that our current immigration laws are insane. The state and federal bureaucrats are the problem so bringing them up is not a good excuse for why these people couldn't be let into this country in a more orderly fashion. The system is the problem not the poor hardworking people that are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. Fix the system. Don't round up millions into detention camps at the point of a gun. That is what fascists do.






Thank you!
 
I'll call him anything I want and neither you or anybody else is going to stop me. Don't tell me what I can or cannot say. He is a fascist drug warrior and a xenophobe. If you support him and his tactics so are you.
I never advocated an open border policy. Don't put words into my mouth. I said that our current immigration laws are insane. The state and federal bureaucrats are the problem so bringing them up is not a good excuse for why these people couldn't be let into this country in a more orderly fashion. The system is the problem not the poor hardworking people that are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. Fix the system. Don't round up millions into detention camps at the point of a gun. That is what fascists do.

Once again, I don't understand your fixation with the word "fascist" since you use it incorrectly.

Lets examine the definition of fascist:

2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.

So explain to me how Arpaio is a fascist, when he arrests and incarcerates people who exercised complete free will & knowingly broke the law, he swore an oath to enforce? Explain to me how thats deemed "autocratic and dictatorial"? Explain to me how Arpaio is acting like a fascist when when he's simply doing his job, no more & no less. Sometimes I don't know where you libertarians conjure up these fantastic boogeymen. a smalltown sheriff in the middle of nowhere is suddenly the face for the new fascionista? Funny..
 
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Once again, I don't understand your fixation with the word "fascist" since you use it incorrectly.

Lets examine the definition of fascist:

2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.

So explain to me how Arpaio is a fascist, when he arrests and incarcerates people who exercised complete free will & knowingly broke the law, he swore an oath to enforce? Explain to me how thats deemed "autocratic and dictatorial"? Explain to me how Arpaio is acting like a fascist when when he's simply doing his job, no more & no less. Sometimes I don't know where you libertarians conjure up these fantastic boogeymen. a smalltown sheriff in the middle of nowhere is suddenly the face for the new fascionista? Funny..

Okay. First off, don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about when I use the word fascist. I know exactly what fascism is. It is you who apparently are clueless and need to be educated so I guess I'm going to be the one to have to do it.

First, before I explain what Fascism is to you, Joe is not just "a small town sheriff in the middle of nowhere" he is an ex-DEA agent of 25 years. Before that he was a military policeman in France for the American government. Your catagorization of him as just "a small town sheriff in the middle of nowhere" exposes you as either uniformed and ignorant or a dishonest shill for Joe. He is a national drug war figure and a major go to guy for the media when they need a drug warrior on a segment. He does not just enforce the laws. He ACTIVELY campaigns for more laws and more police powers. He also shamelessly self promotes and shills for any nationalistic proposals that come out of Washington. If he just enforced the laws without pushing his own political agenda I couldn’t care less about him and neither would the rest of the country. Please don’t give me that shit about “he swore and oath”, he also swore an oath to protect the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. That doesn’t stop him from ripping it to shreds to crusade for his precious unconstitutional drug war.

Now on to your education. Ok, let’s examine fascism, the American system and how Joe fits into it all as a good little American fascist.
Fascism is a "right-wing" Hegelian socialist system that masquerades as a socially conservative "patriotic" movement with a "capitalist" veneer. As an economic system it is modeled after the German pattern of socialism called Zwangsvirtschaft or all around planning. It has 11 basic points.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

The US Federal Government promotes powerful and continuing nationalism.

Joe does this. He has his own radio station that broadcasts "patriotic" music. Flags and authoritarian symbols decorate him and everything in his life.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

The US Federal Government has disdain for the recognition of human rights. Unless it can use human rights as a weapon to demonize a potential victim of its imperialistic foreign policy.

Joe could care less about his prisoners.
Keeping prisoners in 110+ degree temperatures.
Giving them spoiled food.
Stun gunning of prisoners. This is torture under the Geneva conventions.
A prisoner had his neck broken by guards who were seen on camera laughing while it was happening.
Deaths that have been covered up by lost evidence or phony investigations by Joe Arpaio himself.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

The US Federal Government does this.

This is Joe to the letter. This is why he demonizes illegals, uses the war on terror to get funding and pushes the federal governments line of xenophobia and nationalism every chance he gets.

4. Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

The US Federal Government definitely has this.

This is why Joe glamorizes his military and DEA service. He also required inmates in 2001 to register with the Selective Service System. This is a VERY militaristic man. He has spent his entire adult life in statist military style organizations.

5. Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

The US Government controls the media through the FCC.

This is why Joe has a national reputation. He is a go to guy for the pro drug war propagandists. This is also why he uses deputies to intimidate reporters who are investigating Joe and his jail.

6. Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

The US Government is obsessed with national security.

Joe is VERY obsessed with national security. He uses fear ever chance he gets. Just go look at his website.

7. Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

The US government does this as well.

Joe uses religious rhetoric.

8. Partnership of public and private institutions: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. The public and private sectors are merged into one power base of elites.

The US government most assuredly has a partnership of public and private.

Joe regularly brags about his relationship with the business community and couldn't fund his campaign without them. He also gets funding for his department from the fascist federal government for towing the statist line.

9. Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

The US government is very obsessed with crime and punishment. It also has multiple branches of its national police force. DEA, ATF, FBI, Dept of Homeland Security, US Marshals Service, etc.

Joe is also very obsessed with crime and punishment. It is his life’s work. He was also a member of one of the national police forces for 25 years, the DEA.

10. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability.

The US government is filled with rampant cronyism and corruption.

So is Joe's Sheriff's Dept. He protected guards from a murder investigation. Uses police info to intimidate elected officials and reporters. Has been protected by County Attorney Andrew Thomas and Special Prosecutor Dennis Wilenchik from investigation and prosecution.

11. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

The US government most assuredly fixes election both here and in the puppet governments of our soviet style satellite empire. It uses assassination like the CIA killings of JFK, RFK, MLK Jr, Larry McDonald, Paul Wellstone and more. It uses legislation to control political district boundaries. It manipulates the media.

Joe participates in the sham of American 2 party politics.


There did that explain to you how Arpaio is a fascist. I wasn’t pulling a word out of my ass. It was a very accurate description of who and what the man is all about. I could explain the economic and political system of fascism further but I don’t want to waste anymore time on you. I’m not sure if you could understand anyways. You obviously need a real education and a lesson or two in humility. Then again I understand that it is easy for punks like you to be a condescending arrogant smartass on a message board. Still laughing?
 
Bullshit.

You far left authoritarian collectivists... You are just reading off the blog of some dumbshit British pillowbiter who got arrested for selling meth

...You are both of the same ilk.

n/m, i don't want to detract from the post above this one.


good read, highly recommended pwnage.
 
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Okay. First off, don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about when I use the word fascist. I know exactly what fascism is. It is you who apparently are clueless and need to be educated so I guess I'm going to be the one to have to do it.

First, before I explain what Fascism is to you, Joe is not just "a small town sheriff in the middle of nowhere" he is an ex-DEA agent of 25 years. Before that he was a military policeman in France for the American government. Your catagorization of him as just "a small town sheriff in the middle of nowhere" exposes you as either uniformed and ignorant or a dishonest shill for Joe. He is a national drug war figure and a major go to guy for the media when they need a drug warrior on a segment. He does not just enforce the laws. He ACTIVELY campaigns for more laws and more police powers. He also shamelessly self promotes and shills for any nationalistic proposals that come out of Washington. If he just enforced the laws without pushing his own political agenda I couldn’t care less about him and neither would the rest of the country. Please don’t give me that shit about “he swore and oath”, he also swore an oath to protect the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. That doesn’t stop him from ripping it to shreds to crusade for his precious unconstitutional drug war.

Now on to your education. Ok, let’s examine fascism, the American system and how Joe fits into it all as a good little American fascist.
Fascism is a "right-wing" Hegelian socialist system that masquerades as a socially conservative "patriotic" movement with a "capitalist" veneer. As an economic system it is modeled after the German pattern of socialism called Zwangsvirtschaft or all around planning. It has 11 basic points.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

The US Federal Government promotes powerful and continuing nationalism.

Joe does this. He has his own radio station that broadcasts "patriotic" music. Flags and authoritarian symbols decorate him and everything in his life.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

The US Federal Government has disdain for the recognition of human rights. Unless it can use human rights as a weapon to demonize a potential victim of its imperialistic foreign policy.

Joe could care less about his prisoners.
Keeping prisoners in 110+ degree temperatures.
Giving them spoiled food.
Stun gunning of prisoners. This is torture under the Geneva conventions.
A prisoner had his neck broken by guards who were seen on camera laughing while it was happening.
Deaths that have been covered up by lost evidence or phony investigations by Joe Arpaio himself.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

The US Federal Government does this.

4. Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

The US Federal Government definitely has this.

This is why Joe glamorizes his military and DEA service. He also required inmates in 2001 to register with the Selective Service System. This is a VERY militaristic man. He has spent his entire adult life in statist military style organizations.

5. Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

The US Government controls the media through the FCC.

This is why Joe has a national reputation. He is a go to guy for the pro drug war propagandists. This is also why he uses deputies to intimidate reporters who are investigating Joe and his jail.

6. Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

The US Government is obsessed with national security.

Joe is VERY obsessed with national security. He uses fear ever chance he gets. Just go look at his website.

7. Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

The US government does this as well.

Joe uses religious rhetoric.

8. Partnership of public and private institutions: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. The public and private sectors are merged into one power base of elites.

The US government most assuredly has a partnership of public and private.

Joe regularly brags about his relationship with the business community and couldn't fund his campaign without them. He also gets funding for his department from the fascist federal government for towing the statist line.

9. Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

The US government is very obsessed with crime and punishment. It also has multiple branches of its national police force. DEA, ATF, FBI, Dept of Homeland Security, US Marshals Service, etc.

Joe is also very obsessed with crime and punishment. It is his life’s work. He was also a member of one of the national police forces for 25 years, the DEA.

10. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability.

The US government is filled with rampant cronyism and corruption.

So is Joe's Sheriff's Dept. He protected guards from a murder investigation. Uses police info to intimidate elected officials and reporters. Has been protected by County Attorney Andrew Thomas and Special Prosecutor Dennis Wilenchik from investigation and prosecution.

11. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

The US government most assuredly fixes election both here and in the puppet governments of our soviet style satellite empire. It uses assassination like the CIA killings of JFK, RFK, MLK Jr, Larry McDonald, Paul Wellstone and more. It uses legislation to control political district boundaries. It manipulates the media.

Joe participates in the sham of American 2 party politics.


There did that explain to you how Arpaio is a fascist. I wasn’t pulling a word out of my ass. It was a very accurate description of who and what the man is all about. I could explain the economic and political system of fascism further but I don’t want to waste anymore time on you. I’m not sure if you could understand anyways. You obviously need a real education and a lesson or two in humility. Then again I understand that it is easy for punks like you to be a condescending arrogant smartass on a message board. Still laughing?


The following statement you made really puzzles me.

This is Joe to the letter. This is why he demonizes illegals, uses the war on terror to get funding and pushes the federal governments line of xenophobia and nationalism every chance he gets.

Considering the recent push made by our Congress and the business community to get Amnesty ratified, this reality runs contrary to this unsubstantiated stance you're projecting upon the federal government. The federal government actually encourages cheap labor to migrate here. So if Joe Arpaio was as dispicable as you say and managed to keep all these internal crimes hush-hush, how has he managed to evade prosecution with so many enemies in the establishment wanting him banished for disrupting the flow of chattel? How has he been able to pull off that impressive trick, considering his department is under constant monitoring and auditing? Just something to weigh on before you conveniently thow Arpaio into the chain of government excess.
 
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I won't speak for the person who tried to murder him, but I'm appalled to see so many so-called libertarians and Paul supporters sticking up for a corrupt, drug-warring law-and-order thug like Joe Arpaio just because he's opposed to illegal immigration.
 
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Wikipedia a reliable source?

He is for equal rights.
He had the first woman CHAIN GANG.

Ps. the chain gangs are voluntary in his prison.
 
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Wikipedia a reliable source?

He is for equal rights.
He had the first woman CHAIN GANG.

Ps. the chain gangs are voluntary in his prison.

He also supports the War on Drugs (and violating the rights of native-born Americans jailed on drug charges).
 
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