Ok Christian Church, what gave us the right to go to war?

Dr. 3D, a son of God!

Actually, I was just planting a single seed. It is my hope it will take root, grow and someday produce many more seeds that will be planted. Possibly, from just that one seed, there could someday be a whole field planted.

One of the problems I have encountered with this sort of agriculture is one often has to get his hands dirty with manure. Even with the manure, many of the seeds do not grow because they fell upon the rocks and among the thorns. Today more than ever, there are so many weeds in competition with the seeds, it is difficult to get one to grow or even if it sprouts, it gets crowded out by the weeds.
 
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to Dr. 3D, a true sower has shown up! God bless your efforts in this field of the Lord. May the seeds you have sown, yield a full harvest for the Lord. You have truly sown your seeds into the glad hearts. I have been extremely glad for you. You have been a blessing to me. Your fruits of the spirit are showing. May your light continue to shine, that men would continue to see your good works and continue to glorify your Father, which is in heaven. Just remember as you sow: the seed is God's, the field is God's, the sun is God's, the rain is God's, the Sower (is most definitely) God's and it is God who gives the increase. Everything is God's. The best we can do whether we are sowers, tenders or harvesters is just to do our part, the work God gave us, but the increase is his. I agree with you about the weeds, but in this hour the true leaders who have been in the wilderness alone, eating the locust and the honey the Lord has provided are now coming out of the wilderness and they are waging war with the weeds. It is going to be a glorious hour as the weeds are taken up and burned in the fire. The glory of this latter house, will be greater than the former. I'm sure you will understand what I have written here!:D Mark 1: 1-8





Thanks everyone for all the responses. By asking people to go to their bibles, to find the scriptures for approving war, a lot of good information came back, as people searched their bibles. It’s true war was not the answer, my point is, had the church world gone to their bibles and sought out the word of God on war, we would not be in war now and 4000+ Americans, 100,000+ Iraqi’s would not be dead, Americans would not be suffering the lifetimes battle injuries, we would be better off financially, but mostly and most importantly we would have not sinned against God as a nation.

As a body of believers we must now humble ourselves, repent of this travesty and seek God.

Americans are mostly asleep and we have been instrumental to waking a lot of people up about our country’s problems. We have sought information and worked diligently to get that information to the forefront, so people will no longer live in darkness. Had we not been diligent and seeking truth, Ron Paul would have never gotten as far as he has and neither would our movement. We have given our money, our time, our effort.

Now, let us all do the same for the cause of Christ. Let us help people realize the need for them to search the bible for themselves. Let us never again follow anyone leader or teacher, etc…, just because they are in high position in the church or because they spew out scriptures like vomit. Follow Christ, seek out his leading in the bible. Jesus always fought the enemies with: “It is written…!.” Let us be diligent, let us seek the truth for ourselves and be thoroughly convinced in our own hearts. Take what anyone tells you to God, pray and seek his answer, if we as the body of Christ we will really do this, we will no longer be deceived or live in the darkness. And in this hour, we can’t afford to be misled anymore. For we, are in a dangerous hour, a very dangerous time, not only for our country but for our very souls. We don’t have the luxury of being on the wrong side again. Love everyone, but trust no one, let the final authority be God. Make sure your own oil lamp is full. Don't find a need to go hunting for that oil, once the call goes out. Make sure your lamp is full before then. Because at that time no one will be able to give you their oil.

As Paul instructed let us never again be carried away again by every wind of doctrine. Let us get wisdom and learning and instruction, that we may speak the truth in love.

If you are a Christian, please join me in repentance for this war and for not seeking God prior to it and in seeking God’s mercy. Let this not be like Sodom and Gormorrah, where God could not find even one righteous man. Let Christ be the head of the church and let everyone else be liars.

Ephesians 4:14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Luke 11:9
And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
 
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I was against the war from the beginning. I could see through Bush. So years ago, I asked a friend, a very pro Bush pro war Christian why she felt this war is justified. She gave me a scripture from the old testament...I think it was in Deuteronomy. I told her I wasn't buying it. I just couldn't put my finger on why. I later realized I'm gifted with discernment. It's a blessing but doesn't always seem like it. It can feel like a lonely path.

I tried so hard to get Christians on the AOL message boards to see what I did. I learned a lot during that experience. To this day, I still don't think they are fully aware of what is going on. I lurk every now and then and it's Obama or McCain...etc. They're brainwashed of the 2 party sham and leaning toward the R. If I post a news item or something of importance that we Ron Paul people are aware of, I am often called a fruitcake, or a nut.

I think many of us Christians don't read the Bible enough. Guilty as charged here, too. I reread through some of the old Testament recently and was shown the we humans have always had a tendency to want to be lead. We have a friend(not a Christian) who knows the truth about Obama..he won't vote for him, but I think he's very disappointed for not having someone who has a chance who he can believe in to be a leader. He doesn't like anti-Obama emails.

People will believe the garbage they hear on the MSM news and when we don't read enough of the Bible, we're not discerning and not doing what we should be(not tolerating evil). I hear Romans 13 too many times. Well Psalms 94:16 also says who will stand up for evil? Romans 13 ends at tyranny because we should not tolerate evil.

I made a video about it back in March because I was frustrated. I want to start a Bible study in church about discernment and not being led astray. False prophets are here and discernment is necessary. Seeing as many Christians were led to believe in Bush, we're capable of being led to believe anything. These are dangerous and perilous times.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869396579187296252&ei=rJWdSO_VHIWyrgKg1sXOCw&q=evil+doers+final+cut
 
The new testament is new covenant. The old testament is old covenant.
As Christians, we follow the new covenant law.

so- christians don't follow the ten commandments?
instead they (are suppose to) follow the golden rule?
 
I made a post in another thread on Israel and supporting Israel. Christians are clinging to this from the old testament "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you" (Israel) but, where is Israel now? It is the CHURCH. not that piece of land in that desert! Tones
 
At a catholic mass, they read three passages usually. one from the old testament, one from the new testament, and one from the gospels.
 
i think catholics have a different take on the subject.
the reason they kept the jewish tradition is because that is how christianity started.
And if you want to learn the religion of Jesus, you need to study the old testament.
Christians were technically a sect of Jews. They followed both testaments.

Apparently some 'Christians' didn't get the message presented by Paul in the new testament. Seems they would also follow the British laws because that is how the United States was started.
 
Apparently some 'Christians' didn't get the message presented by Paul in the new testament. Seems they would also follow the British laws because that is how the United States was started.

Maybe some christians forgot that jesus was a jew and followed the old testament.
Paul was not an apostle. He was a late comer to the party and had an inherit lack of respect for women. He said things in his letters, Jesus would never say... yet some christians worship Paul.
 
I made a post in another thread on Israel and supporting Israel. Christians are clinging to this from the old testament "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you" (Israel) but, where is Israel now? It is the CHURCH. not that piece of land in that desert! Tones

Israel AKA "Nation of Rothschild". :p
 
If I remember correctly, The Roman Catholic Church was the first kid on the block. Dates back to the first church leader, Peter. (not paul)
 
Maybe some christians forgot that jesus was a jew and followed the old testament.
Paul was not an apostle. He was a late comer to the party and had an inherit lack of respect for women.

No Jew is a Christian now... some may claim to be a Messianic Jew... but if they are Christian, they are not Jewish.

Paul knew women had their place at the time of his writings.
 
If i remember correctly, Peter was the rock the new temple/church would be built upon not Paul.
Peter was also a jew. that is how the catholic church got its jewish traditions originally.
 
No Jew is a Christian now... some may claim to be a Messianic Jew... but if they are Christian, they are not Jewish.

Paul knew women had their place at the time of his writings.

Jews can be christians. the first christians were jews.
 
See- you have this perverse modern christian thing going on where they have began to worship Jesus.. and not so much god or holy spirit.
The apostles followed jesus, they didn't worship him.
 
Jews can be christians. the first christians were jews.

This is like saying a Buddhist can also be a Christian. These are two different religions. When the first Christians became Christian, they stopped being Jewish.
 
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