**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[TheTexan]

Let's look at this my way. Had GZ listened to the dispatcher he would have went home, ate dinner, and went to bed to wake up the next day in his completely normal life. TM would have finished his suspension from school and be back in class by now. The police would have questioned TM and then let him go after realizing that he was doing nothing wrong. This thread of 188 pages wouldn't exist. He shouldn't have followed him.

I doubt GZ was patrolling the neighborhood just because he wanted to. There was likely a string of crime that had been happening. It could have just as easily gone the other way. GZ could have listened to the dispatcher, and went home. TM could have broken into someone's home and killed someone.

The police report would state "incident reported by GZ possibly related to a murder later that night 2 blocks down the street."

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

I doubt GZ was patrolling the neighborhood just because he wanted to. There was likely a string of crime that had been happening. It could have just as easily gone the other way. GZ could have listened to the dispatcher, and went home. TM could have broken into someone's home and killed someone.

The police report would state "incident reported by GZ possibly related to a murder later that night 2 blocks down the street."

It's highly unlikely that TM would have killed someone or broken into their home. He had left to get something to drink during a break in a basketball game so he was obviously going back to watch it. He was also unarmed and by armed I mean he didn't have a knife, club, pipe, or gun. Also, GZ didn't tell anyone he would be armed during his patrols, and his role as a neighborhood watch member is just that: to watch and report it to the police.

 

[TheTexan]

It's highly unlikely that TM would have killed someone or broken into their home. He had left to get something to drink during a break in a basketball game so he was obviously going back to watch it.

Hindsight. 20/20. There was no way of knowing that, and following a person to find out if they are up to no good is not a crime.

Zimmerman was tasked by his community to perform neighborhood watch. He had every right to follow people that he thought may be a threat to his community.

Following a person is not an act of aggression, and is not a crime. Plain and simple.

 

[Danke]

Following someone isn't non-aggression.

Really?

I guess I'll close all my curtains.

 

[matt0611]

Stalking IS illegal and it should be.

I'm no legal expert, but I'm pretty sure following a guy one time on a public road because you suspect he might be doing something illegal is not stalking.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

I'm no legal expert, but I'm pretty sure following a guy one time on a public road because you suspect he might be doing something illegal is not stalking.

"We don't need you to do that"

Also, he said that following someone isn't a crime, when it is. Following anyone for an extended period of time is stalking. If you follow me in your car and I'm on foot, a bike, in another car. That is stalking.

 

[Danke]

I'm no legal expert, but I'm pretty sure following a guy one time on a public road because you suspect he might be doing something illegal is not stalking.

I will no longer monitor politicians nor show up to challenge their actions, it might be "stalking."

 

[TheTexan]

"We don't need you to do that"

Says the cop, who's single driving desire in life is to serve and protect you and keep you safe.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

I give up. If I ever get shot walking down the street I'll think of this thread as I die and how my killer will be let off on the grounds of self defense because I attacked someone who was stalking me slowly in the vehicle as I walked down the street when they got out of their car.

 

[TheTexan]

Also, he said that following someone isn't a crime, when it is. Following anyone for an extended period of time is stalking. If you follow me in your car and I'm on foot, a bike, in another car. That is stalking.

"Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching and/or harassing of another person. Unlike other crimes, which usually involve one act, stalking is a series of actions that occur over a period of time."

GZ's behavior does not match criteria for stalking

 

[matt0611]

Says the cop, who's single driving desire in life is to serve and protect you and keep you safe.

Wasn't that the 911 dispatcher? I'm pretty sure they usually are not even cops.

 

[TheTexan]

I give up. If I ever get shot walking down the street I'll think of this thread as I die and my killer is let off on the grounds of self defense.

The take-away from this is maybe you should take your safety in your own hands; ie. carry a weapon, and maybe it will be YOU that survives the encounter, instead of the bad guy.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Not to mention how his story doesn't match up to what TM's girlfriend heard him say on the phone ("Why are you following me?") but according to GZ he never spoke to TM and the first words TM said were "Do you have a problem?". Lie #1

He said, she said. Is there evidence to support this accusation of "lie" you are throwing out there?

We know that enough lies have been thrown around in this case, especially by the media, who have been caught red handed in their lies.

 

[TheTexan]

Wasn't that the 911 dispatcher? I'm pretty sure they usually are not even cops.

Maybe no badge but they still count as cops in my book, because they interface so closely with the police.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

"Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching and/or harassing of another person. Unlike other crimes, which usually involve one act, stalking is a series of actions that occur over a period of time."

GZ's behavior does not match criteria for stalking

Sounds like it does.

 

[matt0611]

"Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching and/or harassing of another person. Unlike other crimes, which usually involve one act, stalking is a series of actions that occur over a period of time."

GZ's behavior does not match criteria for stalking

Exactly, stalking not found.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I doubt GZ was patrolling the neighborhood just because he wanted to. There was likely a string of crime that had been happening. It could have just as easily gone the other way. GZ could have listened to the dispatcher, and went home. TM could have broken into someone's home and killed someone.

The police report would state "incident reported by GZ possibly related to a murder later that night 2 blocks down the street."

What? Are you on crack?

During halftime of the all star game a kid goes to buy skittles and then goes into a house and murder someone?

The lengths people are going to justify this is mind boggling.

 

[Danke]

"We don't need you to do that"

As in, "Thanks, we appreciate your effort, but you are not obligated and don't feel bad if you don't."

 

[matt0611]

Sounds like it does.

"Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching and/or harassing of another person. Unlike other crimes, which usually involve one act, stalking is a series of actions that occur over a period of time."

No, it doesn't.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

"Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching and/or harassing of another person. Unlike other crimes, which usually involve one act, stalking is a series of actions that occur over a period of time."

No, it doesn't.

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