**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[TheTexan]

What? Are you on crack?

During halftime of the all star game a kid goes to buy skittles and then goes into a house and murder someone?

The lengths people are going to justify this is mind boggling.

The person we now know as TM wouldn't have. But at the time of the confrontation with TM, there was no way to know this.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

The person we now know as TM wouldn't have. But at the time of the confrontation with TM, there was no way to know this.

Just like there was no way to know if he was a violent person with a gun who would kill GZ which is why he was told he wasn't needed. Let the people who are given your tax dollars to get shot at do it.

 

[TheTexan]

Just like there was no way to know if he was a violent person with a gun who would kill GZ which is why he was told he wasn't needed. Let the people who are given your tax dollars to get shot at do it.

This is where the argument begins, and ends. You have a reliance on cops, and don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your safety. This is why they are outraged at GZ. They think like you do.

 

[matt0611]

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Why do you keep ignoring my point? Stalking is a series of acts committed over time, not a one-time incident. This was not stalking.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

This is where the argument begins, and ends. You have a reliance on cops, and don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your safety. This is why they are outraged at GZ. They think like you do.

When it's someone not doing anything to you or your property then by all means let the cops handle it. It it's you, your family, or your property then defend yourself like I have already said. I have no reliance on cops and I've even been called anti-cop by some people here. I'm outraged that some idiot is going to in one fell swoop allow the repeal of stand your ground laws so I can't protect my property all because he ignored the best advice anyone has ever given him. I think like a freedom lover and there are too many morons out there helping the government come up with excuses to take them away.

 

[TheTexan]

When it's someone not doing anything to you or your property then by all means let the cops handle it. It it's you, your family, or your property then defend yourself like I have already said.

If someone breaks into 3 homes in your neighborhood and gets away with it, it could just as easily be your home next. There is an individual interest in the safety of the neighborhood. If someone wants to protect their neighborhood in a lawful manner, that's their choice to make. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

If someone breaks into 3 homes in your neighborhood and gets away with it, it could just as easily be your home next. There is an individual interest in the safety of the neighborhood. If someone wants to protect their neighborhood in a lawful manner, that's their choice to make. Nothing wrong with that.

You've been watching too many movies. Criminals don't return to the scene of the crime. Most crimes, including robberies, are crimes of opportunity. No criminal, unless he wants to be caught and sent to prison, will rob houses in the same area again and again.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

He said, she said. Is there evidence...?

And on second thought, the most interesting thing that could possibly come out of this case would be for the lawyers to subpoena the recording of that phone call, which is stored right now either at the cell phone provider or at a government super-storage facility.

 

[TheTexan]

You've been watching too many movies. Criminals don't return to the scene of the crime. Most crimes, including robberies, are crimes of opportunity. No criminal, unless he wants to be caught and sent to prison, will rob houses in the same area again and again.

That's simply not true. Plenty of people rob houses in the same area.

However, even if you were right about that, it doesn't change the fact that making a safer community benefits the individual.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Is nobody else pissed that Zimmerman acted so horribly in this situation and now democrats want to repeal the law that allows you to defend yourself? Because I am.

 

[TheTexan]

Is nobody else pissed that Zimmerman acted so horribly in this situation and now democrats want to repeal the law that allows you to defend yourself? Because I am.

They'll use any excuse to repeal any rights we have left. If it wasn't this it would be something else. This country is on a one way street towards tyranny, with or without Zimmerman.

 

[matt0611]

Is nobody else pissed that Zimmerman acted so horribly in this situation and now democrats want to repeal the law that allows you to defend yourself? Because I am.

Not me, because that remains to be seen IMO.

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Is nobody else pissed that Zimmerman acted so horribly in this situation and now democrats want to repeal the law that allows you to defend yourself? Because I am.

Yes, I am.

SYG was passed to prevent a situation like this:

You and your wife are returning to the parking garage after dinner out.

Suddenly, a man with a knife pops out from behind one of the parked cars, threatens you and your wife and demands money.

Under the law before, in this situation, you had a duty to flee, basically to throw down your money and wallet and run, before you resorted to using deadly force.

Under some state laws, that applied in your own home, thus "castle doctrine" laws.

SYG says that now, you were lawfully there, acting in a lawful manner, minding your own business, then, you have no duty to flee, prior to resorting to deadly force, if the attack continues.

However, all the other criteria for use of deadly force still applies.

I have seen so much fucked up commentary and hot air published and blogged about these two laws, that it more than likely will set back self defense rights for years to come.

I still maintain that GZ was on shaky legal footing, based on what I've seen so far.

 

[matt0611]

Yes, I am.

SYG was passed to prevent a situation like this:

You and you wife are returning to the parking garage after dinner out.

Suddenly, a man with a knife pops out from behind one of the parked cars, threatens you and your wife and demands money.

Under the law before, in this situation, you had a duty to flee, basically to throw down your money and wallet and run, before resorted to using deadly force.

Under some state laws, that applied in your own home, thus "castle doctrine" laws.

SYG says that now, you were lawfully there, acting in a lawful manner, minding your own business, then, you have no duty to flee, prior to resorting to deadly force, if the attack continues.

However, all the other criteria for use of deadly force still applies.

I have seen so much fucked up commentary and hot air published and blogged about these two laws, that it more than likely will set back self defense rights for years to come.

I still maintain that GZ was on shaky legal footing, based on what I've seen so far.

If GZ's side of the story is true then "Stand Your Ground" is irrelevent from what I understand.

 

[Danke]

If GZ's side of the story is true then "Stand Your Ground" is irrelevent from what I understand.

My understanding is that is not even being brought up in his defense, outside to the media.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If GZ's side of the story is true then "Stand Your Ground" is irrelevent from what I understand.

I'm pretty sure that's the case no matter what turns out to be true here.

Other than the language in the law that says that you are to be released if there is no evidence of any crime having been committed.

 

[Anti Federalist]

My understanding is that is not even being brought up in his defense, outside to the media.

My point in bringing that up.

SYG and CD laws are being vilified in the hoplophobic and anti self defense government media as part of this circus, when they did not apply at all, as far as I can see.

 

[James Madison]

Ever notice how most people cream their pants every time they see a cop but freak out when us mundanes want to defend ourself. I have no sympathy for these pigs.

 

[BlackTerrel]

 

[Danke]

That is bullshit. I thought better of you BlackTerrel.

Ya, it is all about race for some.