Official Health Care Ruling Thread (Obamacare upheld)

[AuH20]

This ruling actually helps folks like Ron and Rand Paul who have been marginalized in the past for overtstating that the government wants to run your life. Well, here it is in no uncertain terms.

 

[Southron]

Fuck you John Roberts. Fuck you GWB.

No one can try and say vote Romney for the SCOTUS now. None of these Republican appointed justices can be trusted.

 

[KingRobbStark]

I cant believe i woke up to this news. Worst morning ever.

 

[CaptUSA]

I'm about to start Revolution. Who's with me?

Couple this with the Arizona immigration ruling, and I think you may have some states talking secession. Or at least willful disobedience of federal law. We are certainly moving into uncharted waters.

Get your gold, silver, and lead, boys. We're in for some fun now.

 

[gte811i]

Well . . . I've always thought about becoming an ex-pat, just as a pipe dream. This is sure making me think a little bit more about it. Save up a ton of money, finish my PhD and get the heck out of dodge. Socialism, fascism, militarism all in on country. Isn't it grand.

God help this country.

 

[07041826]

Well, I will not give them one cent so I guess it's jail for me!

 

[flynn]

Well . . . I've always thought about becoming an ex-pat, just as a pipe dream. This is sure making me think a little bit more about it. Save up a ton of money, finish my PhD and get the heck out of dodge. Socialism, fascism, militarism all in on country. Isn't it grand.

God help this country.

There is no place you can go that the statists haven't claimed all the land.

 

[Tenbatsu]

Revolutions were started over lesser transgressions.

Needless to say I will not pay a single dime of this supposed tax.

Today is the day that will separate those who are willing to take a stand for liberty and those who will play along because it's safer.

 

[phyregold]

Amy Howe:
In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.


Does not the house have the ability to abolish taxes? This was not considered an entitlement

 

[matt0611]

It never meant anything. When are you minarchists going to get it. When government decides the limits on it's own power, there are no limits.

I'm not a minarchist, I'm an anarchist actually.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Revolutions were started over lesser transgressions.

Needless to say I will not pay a single dime of this supposed tax.

Today is the day that will separate those who are willing to take a stand for liberty and those who will play along because it's safer.

I stand with you brother. We may be forced to take up arms as our fore fathers did.

 

[AuH20]

Roberts may have awoken a sleeping giant. Things sure got more interesting in the last hour.

 

[Lucille]

I knew they would. It's like Knapp said, it was a huge mistake to take it to our black-robed overlords.

Don't repeal/litigate, nullify/interpose!
http://knappster.blogspot.com/2010/03/dont-repeallitigate-nullifyinterpose.html

Well, they've gone and screwed it up -- 14 state attorneys general have filed lawsuits against ObamaCare.

If the states really want to beat ObamaCare, litigation isn't the way to go about it. Nullification/interposition is.

In litigation, the parties accept that the courts have jurisdiction over this or that issue, and walk away with whatever the courts give them. The Supreme Court of the United States, (including its "conservative" members in cases like Raich v. Gonzales) has already ruled that the Interstate Commerce Clause can mean pretty much anything Congress wants it to mean. Litigating ObamaCare is a dead-end road.

In nullification, the state governments say "we've determined -- for ourselves, we don't need any of you black-robed ninnies to do it for us -- that this piece of legislation is unconstitutional on its face, and we're not going to stand for it, at least within our own borders. Injunction? You can shove your injunction up your ass. If you attempt to come here to enforce it, our National Guard will do the shoving for you. Complimentary. No charge."

It's time for a good old-fashioned constitutional crisis. Look where avoiding such crises has gotten us.

 

[gte811i]

There is no place you can go that the statists haven't claimed all the land.

True enough, but at least other countries don't have everything. Some have socialism, some have militarism, but take Switzerland, they may be socialist, but hey they don't go around trying to rule the world and beat everyone into submission.

I hate all statism, but when you start looking for places to live in the world as in a freedom index, this is a big blow to the US.

 

[CaptUSA]

Here we go... watch the markets. And hang on. We're going for a ride.

 

[AuH20]

Kennedy should be commended for voting like he did. Roberts was a G.W. Bush progressive all along, just like his mentor Lawrence Tribe said he was.

 

[flynn]

True enough, but at least other countries don't have everything. Some have socialism, some have militarism, but take Switzerland, they may be socialist, but hey they don't go around trying to rule the world and beat everyone into submission.

I hate all statism, but when you start looking for places to live in the world as in a freedom index, this is a big blow to the US.

Estonia is doing well.

 

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

John Roberts has just sold out.

This ruling is as chickenshit as Roger Taney's in Dred Scott.

And it might just cause another civil war.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I'm not going to lie, I'm stunned by this news. I can't see any way this mandate is Constitutional. I really didn't see this coming.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Screw the moderator that combined my thread with this one.

That is all.