Official Health Care Ruling Thread (Obamacare upheld)

[archangel689]

Individual mandate is a tax? how? that's fucked up, the constitution is nothing anymore. Just fucking put it through a shredder now I guess, cause it means fucking nothing.

It never meant anything. When are you minarchists going to get it. When government decides the limits on it's own power, there are no limits.

 

[gte811i]

6-3 ruling! Unreal!


We'll have to check the details very carefully. But damn. More power to the State. Great.

Some people aren't going to like this idea (or call it crazy). But I think it is extremely possible that there is corruption even at the high court. You do not get this big of an industry (health) and this big of an issue without corruption. FDR tried to pack the Supreme Court in the 30s and after his threat the Supreme Court started deciding the laws were constitutional (the same laws and same court who decided them unconstitutional a few years before).

And a 6-3 ruling virtually ensures that another Court will not overturn this ruling, a 5-4 and maybe, a 6-3 ruling and no chance another Supreme court will overturn it.

 

[tfurrh]

I'm about to start Revolution. Who's with me?

 

[jkob]

What happens when you don't pay this tax?

The same thing that happens when you don't pay others?

 

[phyregold]

10:24

Tom:
Apologies - you can't refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.

 

[phyregold]

Let me be the first to say it, Ron Paul, its time for Tampa

 

[Inkblots]

Is anyone really surprised? It's not as if the Supreme Court had ever been an impartial enforcer of the Constitution.

A branch of the Federal government just voted that the Federal government has essentially unlimited power. It just goes to show what Tom Woods has been saying all along: you can't count on the Feds to limit their own power, you need sovereign states to fight back against Federal overreach.

 

[AuH20]

It is official. Goerge W. Bush's sordid legacy is complete.

 

[tfurrh]

Rule of Law is gone guys. Completely gone.

 

[trey4sports]

god fucking dammit

 

[netwalker]

At this point, civil disobedience is our last line of defense before, well, you know.

 

[flynn]

The first implication is the rising cost of insurance for those who already have insurance. They will be paying for the ailments for those who didn't have insurance in the first place. Prices of drugs are going to skyrocket as well. Worst of all, for those who can barely afford insurance, they will no doubt be off the list of the buyers and most likely ending up paying a fine for not having insurance instead.

 

[Sullivan*]

I'm confused, what does the ruling mean?

Federal government owns our bodies now. That'll be what eventually happens...

 

[matt0611]

So I guess the federal government can just force us to do anything now.

"If you don't do X we'll tax the hell out of you."

Great...

 

[gte811i]

Yeap they basically treated this like SS, except instead of having the government manage it, it is managed by "private" insurance companies.

 

[CaptUSA]

Does anyone else think that this completely opens the door for a single-payer system?

We are screwed. Eventually, this is going to lead to tax dollars funding insurance companies to pay for all Americans medical care. Individuals will be cut out of the mix and so will employers. Insurers will begin to get all of their money from the government. Then it won't be long until the State decides to cut out the middle man.

Damn, America. You should have elected Ron Paul.

 

[matt0611]

Fuck you John Roberts. Fuck you GWB.

 

[Inkblots]

Is anyone really surprised? It's not as if the Supreme Court had ever been an impartial enforcer of the Constitution.

A branch of the Federal government just voted that the Federal government has essentially unlimited power. It just goes to show what Tom Woods has been saying all along: you can't count on the Feds to limit their own power, you need sovereign states to fight back against Federal overreach.

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

Fuck you John Roberts. Fuck you GWB.

Yeah, why was I supposed to vote for Mittens again? Oh, right, so he could appoint "conservative" justices like GWB...

 

[Zarn Solen]

Fines and taxes are two very different things.

Going back to the Colonial Age, when colonists traded with the French behind the governments back, it was considered an acceptable punishment to heavily fine them. The smuggler, as far as the colonists were concerned, deserved to go out of business. When the British government decided it was okay for the 13 Colonies to trade with French colonies, they greatly lessened to payment due to the government for the trade. At that point it was a tax and even quite profitable. Parliament did this to get colonists to accept a tax. The colonists still balked at it. The British government had no right to tax them without proper representation. Fining them was a different story, since it was over a 'crime.'

This situation is a bit of the reverse. SCOTUS is trying to claim a fine is a tax, in order to keep the law intact. No one is going to believe it. Fines and taxes are not the same thing.