OFFICIAL 11/9/11 ECONOMICS DEBATE FROM MICHIGAN THREAD

[Brett85]

Even a lot of the people on free republic think that Ron did well in this debate.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2805207/posts?q=1&;page=51

One comment:

I’d say Cain first, Gingrich second, Paul third, although I hate it, and Romeney fourth, the rest are uninteresting. Perry should get out now if he doesn’t want to humiliate himself further. What a dolt.

 

[anaconda]

What a dick Kudlow is being. He just went through several candidates' tax plans, including Huntsman. No mention of Paul.

 

[sailingaway]

Also off twitter from Politico:

benpolitico Ben Smith
A prominent Perry supporter just emailed: "I'm sad stuck a fork in himself can't decide which is worse Dean scream... http://t.co/MWnYRPqg

 

[Gaddafi Duck]

I love listening and reading these commentaries on CNBC, Foxnews, CNN, etc. about how Perry's campaign suffered a "fatal blow"...lol...

Soooo, because the guy forgot a department/agency he'd eliminate that means he's completely disqualified from being president? Because I'm sure nobody alive has ever had an instance where they had a brain fart.

I don't like Perry by any means, but I do want him in the race. Let's be honest, if Perry were to dropout, the majority of his support will be going over to Romney, Cain, Gingrich...I doubt there are a whole hell of a lot of Perry supporters on the fence about Ron Paul.

The more of these clowns in the race the better...like Ron says, get excited because they dilute the status quo vote. Whether we like it or not, the status quo vote is in the majority--we just need it as fractured among as many candidates as we can.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

What a dick Kudlow is being. He just went through several candidates' tax plans, including Huntsman. No mention of Paul.

CNBC Larry Kudlow, practically had an orgasm tsalking about CAIN's 999 plan again.

such BS

Larry Kudlow should be discredited and targeted on all media... he is a scumbag

 

[Disconsolate]

I love how the poll has the top three lines looking equivalent. Even though Ron Paul is winning by a nice hunk of votes. Sheesh, have these people no integrity.

 

[Matthew5]

I love listening and reading these commentaries on CNBC, Foxnews, CNN, etc. about how Perry's campaign suffered a "fatal blow"...lol...

Soooo, because the guy forgot a department/agency he'd eliminate that means he's completely disqualified from being president? Because I'm sure nobody alive has ever had an instance where they had a brain fart.

I don't like Perry by any means, but I do want him in the race. Let's be honest, if Perry were to dropout, the majority of his support will be going over to Romney, Cain, Gingrich...I doubt there are a whole hell of a lot of Perry supporters on the fence about Ron Paul.

The more of these clowns in the race the better...like Ron says, get excited because they dilute the status quo vote. Whether we like it or not, the status quo vote is in the majority--we just need it as fractured among as many candidates as we can.

And just because one guy got really excited (Dean), his campaign was over...it happens. After the odd NH speech, the elites don't want to back this guy who makes a fool of himself on national television. Forgetting your own plan is a big deal, not just some misquote (a la Obama's 57 states comment).

 

[UtahApocalypse]

I love listening and reading these commentaries on CNBC, Foxnews, CNN, etc. about how Perry's campaign suffered a "fatal blow"...lol...

Soooo, because the guy forgot a department/agency he'd eliminate that means he's completely disqualified from being president? Because I'm sure nobody alive has ever had an instance where they had a brain fart.

I don't like Perry by any means, but I do want him in the race. Let's be honest, if Perry were to dropout, the majority of his support will be going over to Romney, Cain, Gingrich...I doubt there are a whole hell of a lot of Perry supporters on the fence about Ron Paul.

The more of these clowns in the race the better...like Ron says, get excited because they dilute the status quo vote. Whether we like it or not, the status quo vote is in the majority--we just need it as fractured among as many candidates as we can.

You have to remember context to truly see how bad this is.....

Perry could not remember the three agencies he would remove as part of his very own economic plan which is the #1 issue in this campaign

 

[Tunink]

Just watched the highlights. Thought Ron Paul rocked it!

 

[anaconda]

I love listening and reading these commentaries on CNBC, Foxnews, CNN, etc. about how Perry's campaign suffered a "fatal blow"...lol...

Soooo, because the guy forgot a department/agency he'd eliminate that means he's completely disqualified from being president? Because I'm sure nobody alive has ever had an instance where they had a brain fart.

I don't like Perry by any means, but I do want him in the race. Let's be honest, if Perry were to dropout, the majority of his support will be going over to Romney, Cain, Gingrich...I doubt there are a whole hell of a lot of Perry supporters on the fence about Ron Paul.

The more of these clowns in the race the better...like Ron says, get excited because they dilute the status quo vote. Whether we like it or not, the status quo vote is in the majority--we just need it as fractured among as many candidates as we can.

I think we can get more Perry supporters than anyone else. Perry's demise helps us get closer to a two person race between Mittens and Ron. Assuming Cain will implode shortly. There's just no one left. Unless Bachmann gets an unlikely resurrection. There's no time for Huntsman or Santorum. Newt is a wild card but I think he will stall at where he is.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm honestly wondering if Perry got into the race too soon after his back surgery and has pain pills when he stands for too long....

although it has been a fair while NOW....

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Poll: h xxp://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/09/8726049-which-candidate-won-the-gop-debate

They made another poll this quick? voted

 

[parocks]

Let's not. It seems immoral.

Immoral how?

It's a clever tactic. Clever tactics involving some deception do not equal immoral.

I will say it's an interesting idea.

You know, some people think it's immoral to go to a website simply to vote. Their thinking is that the poll is a poll of their viewers. If you were sent to the page, just to vote, it is cheating. It is spamming the poll. The poll is there to determine what the people who ordinarily go to the website think, not the ability of Ron Paul supporters to waste time going from online poll to online poll making Ron Paul win. And we do this all the time. Wrecking every poll. They have lots of polls all the time about lots of different things. But when Ron Paul is in the poll, a whole bunch of people who never go to their website come in and wreck their poll. And the media doesn't like us. And this surprises us and angers us.

Acting like AHoles to the media in a very unclever and very antagonistic manner, which they consider cheating, is not necessarily more moral than wearing a disguise, and not expressing your true feelings.

But I am interesting in your thinking, because it isn't a 100% cut and dried matter.

They control the game. They use deception. We can use other methods than act like AHoles to the media while remaining moral.

 

[wgadget]

Yahoo...Democratic Governor Strickland giving Ron Paul props!

 

[sailingaway]

Immoral how?

It's a clever tactic. Clever tactics involving some deception do not equal immoral.

I will say it's an interesting idea.

You know, some people think it's immoral to go to a website simply to vote. Their thinking is that the poll is a poll of their viewers. If you were sent to the page, just to vote, it is cheating. It is spamming the poll. The poll is there to determine what the people who ordinarily go to the website think, not the ability of Ron Paul supporters to waste time going from online poll to online poll making Ron Paul win. And we do this all the time. Wrecking every poll. They have lots of polls all the time about lots of different things. But when Ron Paul is in the poll, a whole bunch of people who never go to their website come in and wreck their poll. And the media doesn't like us. And this surprises us and angers us.

Acting like AHoles to the media in a very unclever and very antagonistic manner, which they consider cheating, is not necessarily more moral than wearing a disguise, and not expressing your true feelings.

But I am interesting in your thinking, because it isn't a 100% cut and dried matter.

They control the game. They use deception. We can use other methods than act like AHoles to the media while remaining moral.

I was kinda joking. I don't want to do it, I like Ron winning by a huge margin. But I also think it is fair, no matter what they say, to do exactly what the polls are for and vote once for the person you like best. It does feel creepy to vote for someone I don't like.

 

[Gaddafi Duck]

You have to remember context to truly see how bad this is.....

Perry could not remember the three agencies he would remove as part of his very own economic plan which is the #1 issue in this campaign

Right, and my point is has this never happened to anyone else?? Have any of you had a lapse when delivering a presentation, giving a job interview, etc.?

If you answered "no", then you probably haven't done much public speaking or are just incredibly sharp. Regardless, it'll happen on more than one occasion, eventually.

Kinda sad people are getting sucked into "OMG this is a big deal!"... is it? I thought our problems were much bigger than forgetting one of the agencies you'd get rid of. It's all peanuts. Looks great on the cover of tabloids and CNBC.com, but again, I tend to think more than get emotionally involved. Then again, I guess emotions are what dictate elections, so fuck me right?

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

bump! go vote!

Seems the poll at h xxp://debate.cnbc.com has been removed??

 

[AdamT]

There's a poll at http://debate.cnbc.com

Seems to have disappeared.

 

[anaconda]

A man named Gary Shapiro was talking to Kudlow and said, at 7:50 P.M., that "Ron Paul is really growing on people...."

 

[IterTemporis]

They just showed an Oakland University Student Poll and Ron Paul dropped from 19% to 11%. He was in 2nd pre-debate, behind Romney who had 25%. Romney now has 40% and Gingrich is behind Romney.