Obama's Birth Certificate - Still Missing

[bojo68]

I don't know how he lost his citizenship when attending school. Could you elaborate? I don't doubt you, I just don't read every single story about this subject.

The rules in the country(India??) at the time were that the students had to be citizens of that country in order for the kids to attend. As I understand it that's why Barry Soetoro adopted him, so he could attend school. By the adoption and attending the school, that made him THAT country's citizen, which there is no record of him ever having changed, or having attempted to. I suspect he's trying to run a scam as a US citizen on the basis of the Hawaii certificate, right wrong or otherwise.
It would certainly explain his secrecy.

To the nitwit that claims all people concerned with this issue are McCain supporters, I'd like nothing better than for both McCain and Obama thrown off for lack of citizenship. Your foaming at the mouth deliriousness is idiotic.

 

[RickyJ]

Obama won't produce his birth certificate because he was born in Kenya. I have no doubt of this. You will never ever see his original because he will NEVER release it.

 

[bojo68]

Obama won't produce his birth certificate because he was born in Kenya. I have no doubt of this. You will never ever see his original because he will NEVER release it.

It doesn't make any difference if he does or not, or if he was born in Kenya, or Hawaii. His mother was underage and hadn't been in the united states long enough as an adult to have him qualify for citizenship, and even if he did qualify, he renounced it when he became an Indian?? citizen.

 

[RockEnds]

Look, the only people concerned about this are people pulling for McCain now, hoping and praying for some "divine intervention" (probably literally) to keep Obama from winning. OK so Berg presented an affidavit supposedly from Obama's grandmother. That sure makes a compelling case to stop a presidential election. That's suspect unto itself. Why would Obama's own grandma want to kill his campaign? It just doesn't pass the smell test. And considering all the garbage trotted out by McCainiacs against Obama this election, is it any wonder that people like me will just roll my eyes at this "issue"? How many B-girl type episodes can we really pursue? I wonder how many of you that are pursuing this citizenship issue also thought the B-girl incident was truthful at first. I called bullshit on that off the top (and was right) and Im doing the same on this.

Call me a cynic and a doubter if you will but this reeks of desperation and it's just par for the course considering how McCain's campaign and supporters have acted. Let's throw this turd at the wall to see if it sticks. Funny how no one ever questioned Obama's citizenship until he was about to win the Presidency. You'd think that maybe McCain's campaign would have been pursuing it out in the open if it's really a serious issue...or maybe whoever Obama beat for his state AND US Senate seats would have pursued it. But no, not a peep. Hammer the guy for his politics all you like but this just doesn't pass the smell test.

You're missing a perspective. Personally, I don't give a good rat's butt who wins this election. I am quite convinced that the results have already been decided and our votes don't mean squat. I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not. It's my personal belief. I've held it for several years, and I'm not about to change it now.

On to bigger and better issues...

I've spent the last 20 years or more concerning myself with the integrity of public birth records. I've spoken with my state elected officials, I worked for a state elected official in regard to this matter, and in the course of so doing, conducted interviews with those involved in the process.

In the post WWII era, officials decided that the states were within their rights to permanently seal original birth certificates, alter the information, and issue new ones. This was not done on a small scale. The official reasons for this and the reasons whispered behind closed doors are very different. Officially, it was done to protect innocent children. In reality, it was done to protect the adoption industry. After all, if children have the right to view their original birth certificate, human trafficking isn't so attractive, and lawyers lose money.

Whether Obama was adopted or not is completely irrelevant. The people within this industry are a very powerful lobby and will put forth their very best effort to ensure that public birth records are not available upon demand.

I would like to poke a hole in their little ship of deception. Public records are public records. The state should produce them upon demand to everyone who has a valid interest in seeing them. In this particular case, the public has a valid interest because Obama should produce proof of qualifications for office, but my interest extends far beyond that single objective.

 

[werdd]

Look, the only people concerned about this are people pulling for McCain now, hoping and praying for some "divine intervention" (probably literally) to keep Obama from winning. OK so Berg presented an affidavit supposedly from Obama's grandmother. That sure makes a compelling case to stop a presidential election. That's suspect unto itself. Why would Obama's own grandma want to kill his campaign? It just doesn't pass the smell test. And considering all the garbage trotted out by McCainiacs against Obama this election, is it any wonder that people like me will just roll my eyes at this "issue"? How many B-girl type episodes can we really pursue? I wonder how many of you that are pursuing this citizenship issue also thought the B-girl incident was truthful at first. I called bullshit on that off the top (and was right) and Im doing the same on this.

Call me a cynic and a doubter if you will but this reeks of desperation and it's just par for the course considering how McCain's campaign and supporters have acted. Let's throw this turd at the wall to see if it sticks. Funny how no one ever questioned Obama's citizenship until he was about to win the Presidency. You'd think that maybe McCain's campaign would have been pursuing it out in the open if it's really a serious issue...or maybe whoever Obama beat for his state AND US Senate seats would have pursued it. But no, not a peep. Hammer the guy for his politics all you like but this just doesn't pass the smell test.

The only people not pulling for this are obama shills, that care nothing for the constitution.

 

[bojo68]

I'll go along with most of the above post, but will take exception to this part.
"Whether Obama was adopted or not is completely irrelevant. The people within this industry are a very powerful lobby and will put forth their very best effort to ensure that public birth records are not available upon demand.

I would like to poke a hole in their little ship of deception. Public records are public records. The state should produce them upon demand to everyone who has a valid interest in seeing them. In this particular case, the public has a valid interest because Obama should produce proof of qualifications for office,"

On the contrary, I believe that the fact he wa adopted in India?? is the most relevant point, and by doing so became an Indian?? citizen. Makes all the cert controversy irrelevant.

I will MOST DEFINITELY disagree with the notion that the state should produce certs to "anyone with a valid interest". There is a right to PRIVACY, check the bill of rights. Obama, if he were a us citizen, would have that right. Far as the public having a valid interest, agreed, but that doesn't trump his(if he were a us citizen) right to privacy. Fact of the matter is the public, election process should have required this proof, thereby not invading his privacy. If he refused, fine, not eligible.
I'll agree with you though that it should be that original records are preserved accurately though.

 

[bojo68]

The only people not pulling for this are obama shills, that care nothing for the constitution.

Yeah, and the lack of logic and grandiose false assumptions seems real typical of that type too.

 

[NewEnd]

The only people not pulling for this are obama shills, that care nothing for the constitution.

Yes, let us make this the litmus test for being in the C4L movement. It is surely the biggest, most important issue threatening our freedoms and our constitution today.

 

[RockEnds]

I will MOST DEFINITELY disagree with the notion that the state should produce certs to "anyone with a valid interest". There is a right to PRIVACY, check the bill of rights. Obama, if he were a us citizen, would have that right. Far as the public having a valid interest, agreed, but that doesn't trump his(if he were a us citizen) right to privacy. Fact of the matter is the public, election process should have required this proof, thereby not invading his privacy. If he refused, fine, not eligible.
I'll agree with you though that it should be that original records are preserved accurately though.

Generally, anyone considered to have a valid interest to the certificate of birth are the parents, the child, and anyone directly descended from the child. However, in the case of the president, the circumstances of his or her birth are a condition of employment. In this particular case, the public does have a valid interest that would not normally exit.

 

[devil21]

The only people not pulling for this are obama shills, that care nothing for the constitution.

I'm not pulling for this because it's stupid. Efforts are better spent elsewhere.

I tend to care about the part where the burden of proof is on the accuser. That's not only intended for court cases but also as a guide for life. But it seems that's not how it works these days and Im particularly disappointed to see people that believe in the liberty movement ignore it as well and dwell on something like this. The court cases were dismissed. It's over. People can piss and moan about it all the like but it doesn't change that it's a non-issue for the rest of this election season. Like I said, if it was a real issue wouldn't McCain's own campaign be litigating it instead of some no name dude? Neither campaign has had problems using the court systems in this election. If McCain isn't pursuing it then that should tell you all you need to know.

Move on to something productive like how we are going to influence people for 2010 and 2012.

 

[devil21]

Generally, anyone considered to have a valid interest to the certificate of birth are the parents, the child, and anyone directly descended from the child. However, in the case of the president, the circumstances of his or her birth are a condition of employment. In this particular case, the public does have a valid interest that would not normally exit.

Im not knowledgable on the specifics of birth records. If there is a birth certificate in Hawaii that is being "locked down" by the state for privacy reasons, would that indicate that Obama was born in Hawaii? IOW, can Hawaii have a birth certificate for someone born in another country? Seems to me that if there is anything to "lock up" in the first place, then the rest of the issue is moot because you can't lock up something that doesnt exist.

ETA: Or is the assertion floating around that Hawaii doesnt actually have a birth cert. for Obama and is instead fronting for him under the guise of privacy laws?
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/BREAKING01/81031064/0/BREAKING04 - guess that settles that huh?

 

[RockEnds]

Im not knowledgable on the specifics of birth records. If there is a birth certificate in Hawaii that is being "locked down" by the state for privacy reasons, would that indicate that Obama was born in Hawaii? IOW, can Hawaii have a birth certificate for someone born in another country? Seems to me that if there is anything to "lock up" in the first place, then the rest of the issue is moot because you can't lock up something that doesnt exist.

ETA: Or is the assertion floating around that Hawaii doesnt actually have a birth cert. for Obama and is instead fronting for him under the guise of privacy laws?
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/BREAKING01/81031064/0/BREAKING04 - guess that settles that huh?

When birth certificates are sealed, they are sealed for the purpose of preventing access from those who are considered to have a valid interest. Those without a valid interest are not issued birth certificates to begin with. This should be a major concern.

For example, my birth certificate is sealed. Even if it wasn't sealed, you couldn't walk in to the courthouse and get a copy because you don't have a valid interest in my birth certificate. But because it is sealed, I cannot walk in and get a copy of it. My parents cannot walk in and get a copy of it. My children cannot walk in and get a copy of it. It has been sealed since November 1, 1966, and it remains sealed today. I have a certified court record of the adoption proceedings that sealed the certificate kept by my adopted father and given to me. Even though I KNOW what is on the certificate and can PROVE that I know what's on it, I cannot access it because it is sealed.

Sealed birth records are in no one's best interest.

Edit: Oh, and yes, altered birth certificates can be issued by a state other than that where the actual birth occurred.

 

[RockEnds]

Oh, and one more thing....

I'm sure that each county of each state has different rules, but I was just in the records vault two months ago. I was not allowed to take in any electronic devices, the clerk handed me the books for the records I requested. I was not allowed to take them from the vault to the photocopy machine, and she personally photocopied the death certificate I found.

It may be possible for someone to find a certificate that didn't concern them, but it's not like it was 20 years ago when you could just walk into the vault without supervision and copy what you wanted.

 

[bojo68]

I'm not pulling for this because it's stupid. Efforts are better spent elsewhere.

I tend to care about the part where the burden of proof is on the accuser. That's not only intended for court cases but also as a guide for life. But it seems that's not how it works these days and Im particularly disappointed to see people that believe in the liberty movement ignore it as well and dwell on something like this. The court cases were dismissed. It's over. People can piss and moan about it all the like but it doesn't change that it's a non-issue for the rest of this election season. Like I said, if it was a real issue wouldn't McCain's own campaign be litigating it instead of some no name dude? Neither campaign has had problems using the court systems in this election. If McCain isn't pursuing it then that should tell you all you need to know.

Move on to something productive like how we are going to influence people for 2010 and 2012.

McCain is dumber than a rock, and I could care less if he isn't bright enough to pick up on it, or has similar issues of his own and won't pick it up because of that.
Besides that nobody would believe him anyway. It's us not particularly interested in anything other than the constitution that are left to uphold the standards of this society.

I WILL NOT "MOVE ON", period, regardless of your opinion. Further, I'll be the one that decides how much and what I need to know, not you.

 

[RockEnds]

It's the American Bar Association that lobbies against open birth records. They're quite successful because most politicians are lawyers and members. It's hard to promote infant adoption when the little darling may be able to find his or her way home 18 years later. They're not really concerned about whether or not we DO find our way home. Their interest is in being able to tell prospective adoptive parents that the records are sealed, and the new certificate will look just like the real thing. It's a racket. That's all.

This is the machine that the Obama BC debacle is bumping up against, and even the lawyers filing the suits are not going to intentionally set a precedent that any and all interested parties be allowed access to original, vaulted birth records. It's not going to happen.

 

[bojo68]

Im not knowledgable

Now there we agree.....

 

[Reason]

State declares Obama birth certificate genuine

1 day ago

HONOLULU (AP) — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the US.

Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00

 

[devil21]

Now there we agree.....

Good job being the one to resort to petty insults when you run out of logical arguments and are proven WRONG.

Your mother must be proud.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

State declares Obama birth certificate genuine

1 day ago

HONOLULU (AP) — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the US.

Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00

AP will always be suspicious to me after the photographer photoshopped those photos of missles. Plus, they ignored RP like the other MSMs (to my knowledge).

 

[lynnf]

read it and weep......

Berg files affidavit with SC containing Obama grandmother statement that Obama
was born in Kenya and she was present.

http://www.obamacrimes.com/

scroll down to the headline:

"U.S. Supreme Court Writ of Certiorari and Application for Stay of the Presidential Election"

the affidavits are in pdf files and can be downloaded


I doubt that the SC will stop the election, they'll probably say "too much of a burden".
And, since the turncoat Souter is the one that gets the case first, it's doubtful he will
do anything unless he wants to make sure that he doesn't get stuck as the bad guy
in history - the one that ignored the rules.

lynn