Obama's Birth Certificate - Still Missing

[JohnJay]

. . . there is still not one shred of proof that Obama wasn't born in Kenya yet you state this.

except for maybe the birth certificate in Hawai'i - under Governor's order to abide by the state statute to be released only to certain parties -
and the listing of his birth in the local newspaper under births on August 13, 1961.

oops, that's two "shreds"

 

[dannno]

except for maybe the birth certificate in Hawai'i - under Governor's order to abide by the state statute to be released only to certain parties -
and the listing of his birth in the local newspaper under births on August 13, 1961.

oops, that's two "shreds"

Ya, you're right, Obama DID provide two DIFFERENT birth certificates to the public, which are now GONE.

 

[JohnJay]

Ya, you're right, Obama DID provide two DIFFERENT birth certificates to the public, which are now GONE.

What's gone ?

The Hawai'i Governor still has the original apparently available under state statute to certain persons only,
and as well, there is corollary evidence in the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper which reported the birth back in 1961.

 

[BeFranklin]

The lawsuit being waged is more than just about where he was born. Check the link to the thread I provided in my last post, it is an important thread and contains the details in the non-bolded section.


(here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=165696 )

Looks like the same thing as this from Worldnetdaily:

Supreme Court asked to halt Tuesday's vote
Constitutional crisis feared over Obama's 'qualifications'
--WND

Isn't this just asking for exactly what others suggested Bush might try to do, halt the election? Why is it now good on such questioned grounds?

Sorry, but I recognize right wing non-libertarian conspiracy mongering when I see it.

I like my conspiracy theories straight up and non-deluted by neocons, and they always lead to more freedom not less. And rarely are they actual such, but are simply truths conveniently forgotten and fashionably ignored.

 

[dannno]

Looks like the same thing as this from Worldnetdaily:


Isn't this just asking for exactly what others suggested Bush might try to do, halt the election? Why is it now good on such questioned grounds?

Sorry, but I recognize right wing non-libertarian conspiracy mongering when I see it.

I like my conspiracy theories straight up and non-deluted by neocons, and they always lead to more freedom not less. And rarely are they actual such, but are simply truths conveniently forgotten and fashionably ignored.

My point is it isn't just about being born here, there are two charges against him.

"Mr. Berg presented factual evidence to the Court in support of his claim that you are either a citizen of your father’s native Kenya by birth, or that you became a citizen of Indonesia, relinquishing your prior citizenship when you moved there with your mother in 1967."


And if you go back to that link and read the part in bold, you will see why this is a really big deal.


Personally, I'd prefer McCain to lose, but if Obama isn't a citizen I think people should know before the election. We deserve to know what will happen if Obama IS elected and what the alternatives are.

 

[devil21]

It is pretty ironic that after several threads over 10 pages long, there is still not one shred of proof that Obama wasn't born in Kenya yet you state this.

Btw, McCain said he would release ANY AND ALL records pertaining to his birthplace. Obama is hiding his.

If you REALLY think this isn't a big deal, checkout this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=165696

This could turn into a nightmare.

Last I heard, this country was founded upon the principle that the burden of proof is on the accuser. Whoever the accuser is needs to provide proof that Obama is NOT a US citizen instead of just claiming it with anecdotal/circumstantial evidence then pointing fingers when the accusation isn't proven false. Or should I say, when its not proven false enough for the foaming-at-the-mouth McCain supporters who then yell "FORGERY!!!" when some proof is presented. They don't care if Obama is legally eligible for the Presidency. They just care that they can inject some doubt and continue this stupid "He's a muslim terrorist" nonsense.

And I didnt say anything about McCain's birth records. I said his medical records. He never released anything other than basically a "doctor's note" saying he was healthy. For a man that's had bouts with cancer and other ailments, I think McCain's health should be as much an issue as this is. Nice double standard (hypocrisy) the GOP has going these days. But it makes sense since these are the only types of things McCain can campaign on without reminding everyone he is just Bush III.

 

[dannno]

What's gone ?

The Hawai'i Governor still has the original apparently available under state statute to certain persons only,
and as well, there is corollary evidence in the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper which reported the birth back in 1961.

"apparently"


What is gone are the two different certificates that were posted on the web. One by politifact, and the other by Obama's campaign. If they posted two different certificates, why aren't you skeptical that they might be false?

 

[fedup100]

It's sad, that no one cares or is paying attention to this. They are ignoring the most precious document we have, the constitution.

When we defy and ignore one of the most basic principles of our nation, the qualifications to be president, we know that they could give a shit about the rest.

Why has the governor of hawaii sealed his supposed certificate? Why does Obama not demand it be released? Why is the media not reporting on this??

"Obama is a christian, and he was born in hawaii, okay get it? Don't ask questions."

Fuck that man, im not buying it anymore.

Don't ask questions about 911, dont ask questions about Waco, don't ask questions about the federal reserve, dont ask questions about the NWO, the NAU, or the NAFTA superhighway. Don't ask why we have a fiat currency, don't wonder how the federal reserve act got passed in 1913, don't remember that we didn't have to pay an income tax at one time, don't wonder how we got fooled into paying it, and don't wonder how the US turned into a welfare state.

If you ask any of these questions, you are batshit insane as labeled by the media, and as yongrel put it "Dumb" because you don't buy the official spoonfed story that our very big goverment biased press wants you to believe.

Thank you! The defenders plan on copious amount of words to confuse and stall until this illegal alien is firmly placed on top of our national security with his finger on the button.

He has noticed "W" can do as he pleases and no one will touch him. BO plans to take office and then he dares you to remove him. Our national security is at great risk. God help us.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The man is a lier! A thief, a crackhead and will burn the country down like no other president ever! If you think Bush was bad this guy will make you want to regret not voting for McDick!

I'll vote against both with no guilt whatsover.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Thanks to all the folks who posted in this thread and provided info about Obama that I didn't know. He's a scary guy! (still never voting McShame tho)

 

[devil21]

Thank you! The defenders plan on copious amount of words to confuse and stall until this illegal alien is firmly placed on top of our national security with his finger on the button.

He has noticed "W" can do as he pleases and no one will touch him. BO plans to take office and then he dares you to remove him. Our national security is at great risk. God help us.

BE AFRAID!! BE SCARED!! FEAR!! MCCAIN WILL SAVE YOU!!

Give it a rest. Discuss the real issues for once. Until someone can present proof that Obama is NOT a citizen, this is just fearmongering.



Besides, if McCain was elected, wouldn't he just give illegal alien Obama citizenship under McCain's amnesty plan?

 

[lynnf]

care for more Juice?

Last I heard, this country was founded upon the principle that the burden of proof is on the accuser. Whoever the accuser is needs to provide proof that Obama is NOT a US citizen instead of just claiming it with anecdotal/circumstantial evidence then pointing fingers when the accusation isn't proven false.

...

that burden of proof is only for criminal cases. civil cases, which this is at this time,
have a different standard. hence, OJ Simpson was found not guilty in his criminal case, but was found liable in the civil case.


lynn

 

[devil21]

that burden of proof is only for criminal cases. civil cases, which this is at this time,
have a different standard. hence, OJ Simpson was found not guilty in his criminal case, but was found liable in the civil case.

lynn

Uh no, its not. The burden of proof does not change depending whether criminal or civil. That difference is the AMOUNT of proof, not the burden of proof. When you sue someone it is your job to prove "by a preponderance of evidence" that the person is guilty. The burden of proof is on you. When someone is charged with a crime it is the state's job to prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the crime was committed. The burden of proof is on the state. In other words, the burden of proof does not change, it is always on the accuser, only the amount of proof changes.

So having cleared that up, please demonstrate how the accuser has proved by a preponderance of evidence (meaning more likely than not) that Obama is not a US citizen?

 

[nodope0695]

Uh no, its not. The burden of proof does not change depending whether criminal or civil. That difference is the AMOUNT of proof, not the burden of proof. When you sue someone it is your job to prove "by a preponderance of evidence" that the person is guilty. The burden of proof is on you. When someone is charged with a crime it is the state's job to prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the crime was committed. The burden of proof is on the state. In other words, the burden of proof does not change, it is always on the accuser, only the amount of proof changes.

So having cleared that up, please demonstrate how the accuser has proved by a preponderance of evidence (meaning more likely than not) that Obama is not a US citizen?

You are right about the burden of proof...OJ is a good example. He was found in his civil suit to have "been more likely than not to have caused the deaths of his wife and her boyfriend." Thus he was forced to compensate the families for the loss.

Having read the case, Berg vs. Obama/DNC, I believe there to be compelling evidence that Obama is NOT a U.S. citizen, and that he should produce such documentation that either proves or disproves Berg's alligations.

The judge dismissed it because, IMHO, he didn't have the balls to find in Berg's favor. I mean look at the gravity of the case...would you want to be the judge who removes the Messiah from the ballots?

 

[nodope0695]

Besides, if McCain was elected, wouldn't he just give illegal alien Obama citizenship under McCain's amnesty plan?

LOL...I can see it now, Obama picking cabbage or sugar beats in California's central vally...

 

[phoenixrising]

Its pretty ironic when an illegal immigrant can step across the border, give birth, and her child is automatically a US citizen, but a guy that actually serves in the Senate and is close to winning the Presidency is questioned about his citizenship. This is such a stupid distraction issue.

Btw, tell McCain to release his medical records if he wants to hit Obama on his birth records. The bullshit of this election is out of hand.

based on your comment i can only presume you didn't read my other 2 posts (yes--i know 1 is very lengthy) yet you must read the *details* in order to comprehend what is really transpiring.

sorry..yet u r totally inaccurate in comparing barky to illegal aliens...different yrs...different rules! read my above post in entirety--please!

& for the record? comparing medical records releazed to authenticating citizenship & upholding our constitution for potus --doesn't even come close!!

& no...i am not now...nor ever have been a mccluk supporter!

 

[phoenixrising]

<<If Obama was born somewhere else he still would be a citizen,>>

absolutely not--IF you take the time to read my 2 posts above!!!!

 

[phoenixrising]

<<<and the listing of his birth in the local newspaper under births on August 13, 1961.>>>

good grief! a birth listing in a newspaper is NOT a legal document!!! it's an announcement !!! so how come his own family can't even get it together on whaich hospital he was born in in HI. ??? yet gramma says she witnessed his birth in kenya (tape to be translated still)

 

[phoenixrising]

<<<Last I heard, this country was founded upon the principle that the burden of proof is on the accuser. Whoever the accuser is needs to provide proof that Obama is NOT a US citizen instead of just claiming it with anecdotal/circumstantial evidence then pointing fingers when the accusation isn't proven false.>>>

ohmygoodness!!!!!!!!!! when it comes to a political office one is not suppose to say "prove i am NOT a citizen" this is crazy!!!

my question is how the hell did this corrupt j.a. get as far as he did???? hmmmmmmmmmmm ...chicago...connections....gee i wonder.

 

[phoenixrising]

<<<Give it a rest. Discuss the real issues for once. Until someone can present proof that Obama is NOT a citizen, this is just fearmongering.>>>>

i for one am GLAD to see this discussion taking place!!! too many people do not get the different realms/levels of citizenship based on the constitution & what u can / cannot do politically re: holding office.

barky boy is the one that needs to PROVE he is a citizen!!!! it's backasswards to think otherwise....unless u think everyone here has losted all their marbles & overnite became sheeple!