Obama's Birth Certificate - Still Missing

[Truth Warrior]

If the founders were alive, we could ascertain intent. We could ask them. As it is, no law can modify the Constitution so the 1790 law (which was quickly repealed), the 1795 law and all other acts of Congress mean nothing whatsoever. And the Supreme Court has yet to weigh in.

I know I am not an neutral observer on this issue. I want both Obama and McCain declared ineligible. I think that would be beyond hilarious and beyond heartening...

Maybe GWB could issue an Executive Order to that effect.

 

[BeFranklin]

First definition... by the founding fathers



To me, this is pretty clear, except for the sexism prevelant in society at the time, that the founders intended for anyone born of a citizen to automatically be considered a natural born citizen.

Natural born citizenship is part of common law. It didn't have to be defined. I'm surprised no one on here is looking for answers there. Few of the rockerfeller republicans are going to talk about common law. They hate it - it inteferes with passing arbitrary statutary law and includes more rights and limits on government. Its by blood and parentage, as the Europeans usually do it, and as we did here before the 14th. The 14th was intended to free the slaves that were here, but weren't full citizens because their parents weren't. The 14th was intended to be better than naturalization, but didn't change what is meant by natural born citizen.

If it is by government statue, then the government is defining who is and isn't a citizen, and natural law goes down the tubes. I'm shocked many of you are even taking that path. Government is by we the people, not who we the people are defined by government.

 

[BeFranklin]

How do you know? How do we know he's not? The point here is that if he's not, then the Constitution is usurped, and the voters cheated. All the suit was asking was for him to provide proof of citizenship...that's it. He did not. And, the case was dismissed by the judge at the circuit court level, and is being appealed to the Supreme Court...plus there are 8 other suits in other states as well.

Being born of an American does not automatically make you a citizen. Especially when the American hasn't lived long enough in the U.S. to pass on citizenship. AND, he would be a NATURALIZED citizen, NOT a NATURAL BORN citizen.

FAIL. Join the flock.

THat being repeated endlessly and on every talk show doesn't make it true. Out of both of us, I am probably the only one that has read an original copy of blackstone.

Natural means by parentage. Its the 14th that talks about boundaries and creates a "citizen of a nation" instead of states, affecting state rights; and how long you are in the United States is even a more absurd taking of power, as now citizenship is just being defined as an arbitrary statutory law. Want US citizenship defined by statue? Next dictactor that gets elected defines citizenship as anyone and their children who agrees with him. If it was as simply as where you are born, the 14th isn't even necessary as an amendment. However, slaves didn't have parents who were citizens by where they were born.

 

[BeFranklin]

First definition... by the founding fathers



To me, this is pretty clear, except for the sexism prevelant in society at the time, that the founders intended for anyone born of a citizen to automatically be considered a natural born citizen.

At that time, women didn't vote. Voting was by household and head of the household, so it makes sense, and matches exactly what I am saying about common law.

Watching everyone run towards the 14th and statutory citizenship is kindof disappointing to see in a liberty crowd.

 

[BeFranklin]

It was no Army hospital and it was not only off base, it was outside of the Canal Zone.

Lets have recounts on everyones citizenship. That should do it

 

[BeFranklin]

Maybe GWB could issue an Executive Order to that effect.

Or even a pardon

 

[Truth Warrior]

Or even a pardon

That'll be page two, in the microfine print.

 

[werdd]

That'll be page two.

more like page 432, with more tax payer protection, and a cool train project.

 

[jsteilKS]

somone should ask Obamas grandmother for a youtube or it didnt happen!

 

[JohnJay]

Obama's birth certificate is in Hawai'i - what is the problem ?

 

[Lord Xar]

What I still do not understand and how anyone could argue a point is --

Everything, and I mean everything is heresay. There is NO PROOF. That is what is needed. For those of you arguing in favor of "we do not need to see it..." - WHY are you so adamant about that fact? Why?

I see NO REASON why we, as citizens and voters, can't verify his eligibility by seeing his birth certificate. What is the hoopla? All I see here is everyone arguing over semantics of what it means to be this or that etc... and all this is based on the assumption of where the parents were born and what their status is. Why all this riga'marole when a simple birth certificate can clear it up?

Also, instead of a select few framing the debate -- lets focus in on the simple fact:

"no birth certificate has been produced and it has been sealed" <-- red flags, red flags..

 

[Truth Warrior]

Obama's birth certificate is in Hawai'i - what is the problem ?

Significant evidence suggests that he was born in Kenya.

 

[BeFranklin]

What I still do not understand and how anyone could argue a point is --

Everything, and I mean everything is heresay. There is NO PROOF. That is what is needed. For those of you arguing in favor of "we do not need to see it..." - WHY are you so adamant about that fact? Why?

I see NO REASON why we, as citizens and voters, can't verify his eligibility by seeing his birth certificate. What is the hoopla? All I see here is everyone arguing over semantics of what it means to be this or that etc... and all this is based on the assumption of where the parents were born and what their status is. Why all this riga'marole when a simple birth certificate can clear it up?

Also, instead of a select few framing the debate -- lets focus in on the simple fact:

"no birth certificate has been produced and it has been sealed" <-- red flags, red flags..

The only way it would make a difference is if he was *adopted*, which I suppose is possible.

But as one last try for holding out for liberty. We didn't use to have birth certificates. Don't need the government to give us permission to marry, preach, carry a gun, or certify we are born.

http://patism66.blogspot.com/2008/03/history-of-birth-records.html

 

[dannno]

Obama's birth certificate is in Hawai'i - what is the problem ?

They have posted two different certificates. The organization behind politifact who endorsed the certificate they posted has given Obama millions of dollars in support of his campaign. The other certificate was posted on Obama's website.

 

[BeFranklin]

They have posted two different certificates. The organization behind politifact who endorsed the certificate they posted has given Obama millions of dollars in support of his campaign. The other certificate was posted on Obama's website.

Thats a more likely tact, that with two obvious forgeries, the real ones have to be seen. I would question not where he was born, but if he was adopted and has *no* American parents. That is also possible, and more of a real issue.

 

[JohnJay]

Significant evidence suggests that he was born in Kenya.

I just can't see it - the Honolulu newspaper anounced the birth in its August 13, 1961 edition.

The Republican Hawai'i governor is following Hawai'i statute in stating that only certain persons - like the person themselves - can request their birth certificate legally - it is not a public record.

But the very fact that the Governor took that action is defacto evidence that there is a Hawai'i birth certificate for Obama.

 

[lynnf]

meersy dotes and doughsey dotes....

so which is it? Are you looking for the founder's original intent, or the current definitions as interpreted by the law? If the former, he is citizen by birth (unless you believe only white men, aged 21+ and landed should vote).... if the latter, the court has decided he is a natural born citizen

Ohhh.. I know... you just want the outcome that gives McCain a win.

I look for the law that applied at the time. and no, he would not be a natural citizen
if the allegations about it prove true, and many of us are very suspicious about it because Obama seems to be hiding it.

and you are wrong about McCain, I'm not for him. But I am for the truth and for abiding by the Constitution. If Obama proves out to truly be a natural citizen, so be it, but it needs to be proven.

so we see where you are coming from by your absurd assertion.


lynn

 

[lynnf]

torture is unamerican!

somone should ask Obamas grandmother for a youtube or it didnt happen!

have some respect for your elders, asking a Kenyan grandmother for a youtube is like torture!

lynn

 

[dannno]

I just can't see it - the Honolulu newspaper anounced the birth in its August 13, 1961 edition.

Why wasn't my birth announced in the local newspaper?

The Republican Hawai'i governor is following Hawai'i statute in stating that only certain persons - like the person themselves - can request their birth certificate legally - it is not a public record.

But the very fact that the Governor took that action is defacto evidence that there is a Hawai'i birth certificate for Obama.

Then why are his records from Kenya also being held by the govt? Is that action defacto evidence that there is a birth certificate in Kenya?

 

[BeFranklin]

Ah geeze, this is getting further and further afield.

A - your birth is usually called in by a family member to the newspaper, at least in my town.

B - birth certificates weren't even used a hundred years ago. Its an unnecessary government intrusion like marriage licenses.

C - it wasn't a great concern because the founders mean *parentage* by natural birth. If you don't like that and still won't listen, you are just dumb and ought to shut your trap.