Obama wants national ban on concealed carry

SeanEdwards said:
I expect we'll all be dissapointed with the supreme court ruling. I predict they will make some vague ruling that resolves nothing. I certainly am not hopeful that the court will aggressively defend our 2nd amendment rights.
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Indeed. If the court believed the ban was unconstitutional, they would have refused to hear the case, thus leaving the lower courts ruling intact.
 
SeanEdwards said:
A write-in is a throw away protest. No write-in candidate will win. I might as well stay home.

If the 'machine' asks me to choose between "gun-grabbing" Obama, and "nuke first, nuke often" McCain, I'm going to have a real dilemma. I could symbolically throw my vote away, or I hold my nose and vote 'against' one of the choices.

I'm hoping Paul runs as independent or something so that I have something to vote FOR, rather than against.
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If you vote for McCain or Obama, you're telling the powers that be that you were happy with the two choices presented. Talk about a wasted vote!

ARE you happy with the two choices presented? If not, vote for any third-party candidate who you can support, or write in Dr. Paul. DO NOT tell the Republicrats that the options they gave you were satisfactiry. THAT's a WASTED VOTE.
 
Shaun said:
I agree with Obama on this.
This country is OUT OF CONTROL in terms of shootings and general violence.
NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD has the level of violence we do, no first world country that is.
I'm all for it. Ban the bastards.
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Then move to England, where the government films you practically every second you're outside, and your taxes are

We're fine. Our biggest problem is that the government doesn't mandate that every citizen own a gun, and carry it at all times. People wouldn't be so keen on bursting into a public venue if they knoew they'd be facing a firing squad.
 
Dr.3D said:
I have to ask, if you were being chased down the street by someone with a gun, would you feel protected if you had a gun in your pocket?

A better question is, would you feel protected if you didn't have a gun in your pocket?

In one of these cases, you would at least have a chance of protecting yourself.
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If I have a gun, it won't be in my pocket and I sure won't be chased anywhere.
 
Is anyone else disgusted at Ron Paul's 2nd amendment description?


Mike Huckabee
Opposes reauthorization of the assault weapons ban. Opposes mandatory trigger locks for handguns. Opposes waiting periods for gun purchases. Owns a variety of firearms. NRA member. Has a concealed carry permit.


Ron Paul
Opposed 3-day gun show background check requirement in favor of a 24-hour check. Has a B rating from the NRA.

Mother fuck the NRA!
 
mikeInAZ said:
Don't hate me for asking, but why does one need to carry a concealed firearm? I'm all for personal liberties, but that seems a bit extreme to me.
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Well to defend yourself, your family, and yes even sheep who think carrying a concealed weapon is extreme from attack by two legged predatory animals, and cowards who like to shoot up schools, Churches, malls etc. Your 70 year old grandmother or your pretty wife may be no match physically for a 25 year old gang banger who wants to assault or rape them, but arm them with a snub nose 38, or a 9mm and they have a chance. I don't hate you for asking, but you really should have known. :cool:
 
mikeInAZ said:
Don't hate me for asking, but why does one need to carry a concealed firearm? I'm all for personal liberties, but that seems a bit extreme to me.
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A question I've heard from L. Neil Smith, stark but compelling:

Would you rather see your wife or girlfriend with a gun in her hand, or raped and strangled in an alley with her own pantyhose?
 
WRONG THINKING on Guns.....

jbuttell said:
Shaun - if you honestly think people are driven to this because of easy access to guns, you're very mistaken.

In all respect, you need to refresh yourself with the necessity and right to bear arms.

It is out of control - no doubt about it- something must be done, but once we implement these gun control bans - what will you say when these shootings don't stop?

I assure you, they won't with that kind of tactic.

With that reasoning, you might as well just support the Patriot Act and other anticonstitutional efforts.

.jeremy
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Jeremy, I'm Irish, I'm real Irish and my family was deeply involved in the Armed struggle with the British. We know something about guns in Eire and we also understand what it's like to actually fight oppression and how important access to weapons was in winning that struggle. However, the situation here in the USA with guns is absolutely and totally OUT OF CONTROL. Why? Well, first of all, by my estimation the USA has a CULTURE of VIOLENCE now deeply ingrained at all levels of US society. This Culture extends to our foreign policy and our nasty habit of bombing first, using military muscle to control others and asking questions later. I mean, did you ever stop to think about the possiblity of a link between the USA's bellicose foreign millitary exploits and the "right to bear arms" on the streets of the USA by citizens? No link? Think again...I don't think it's a coincidence at all. America is a nation of violence within it's own borders and over the past eight years a nation of violence on the international scene. W
When Ron Paul says that the attackers at 9/11attack us because "we are over there" 80% or more of the Republicans jeer him.....
Well let me ask you guys, if the terrorists have a motive to attack us, and we believe that by simply " pulling out, JUST COME HOME" we can remove that motivation, does not the same logic apply at home? In other words, what's the motivation of the "bad guys" in all these shootings? Can't we change that motivation? You see where I'm going.......it's a complex situation that's for sure and many factors are involved, however, I AM CERTAIN and it's proven in the statistics that keeping guns on the streets with "sane" gun owners is going to perpetuate a culture that CONTINUES to turn to violence as a first resort.
 
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"Oh my Archie, did you hear what he just said?"
 
I wouls suspect McCain and Huckabee want gun bans just as badly as Obama and Hillary. They cant reveal it yet. They have to keep the neocons, NRA members, Republican sheeple fooled.
 
"IF the government cannot trust the people with guns, can the people trust the government?"

"Governments prefer unarmed peasants."

"Politicians love disarmed peasants."
 
Shaun said:
SNIP~ In other words, what's the motivation of the "bad guys" in all these shootings? ~SNIP
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Perhaps the bad guys would like to have our money. Or perhaps they are crazy and would like to take our lives. Just because I carry a concealed pistol, it does not mean the bad guys are more likely to attack me. Actually, if the bad guys thought most people might be carrying a pistol, they would probably leave them alone.

From what I am hearing from you, I would suspect you believe only criminals should be carrying pistols. You see, if it is illegal to carry a pistol, then only criminals would be carrying pistols. Making something illegal only stops those who abide by the law from doing it.

Why do you want only criminals to have pistols while the rest of us go around unarmed?
 
Shaun said:
Jeremy, I'm Irish, I'm real Irish and my family was deeply involved in the Armed struggle with the British. We know something about guns in Eire and we also understand what it's like to actually fight oppression and how important access to weapons was in winning that struggle. However, the situation here in the USA with guns is absolutely and totally OUT OF CONTROL. Why? Well, first of all, by my estimation the USA has a CULTURE of VIOLENCE now deeply ingrained at all levels of US society. This Culture extends to our foreign policy and our nasty habit of bombing first, using military muscle to control others and asking questions later. I mean, did you ever stop to think about the possiblity of a link between the USA's bellicose foreign millitary exploits and the "right to bear arms" on the streets of the USA by citizens? No link? Think again...I don't think it's a coincidence at all. America is a nation of violence within it's own borders and over the past eight years a nation of violence on the international scene. W
When Ron Paul says that the attackers at 9/11attack us because "we are over there" 80% or more of the Republicans jeer him.....
Well let me ask you guys, if the terrorists have a motive to attack us, and we believe that by simply " pulling out, JUST COME HOME" we can remove that motivation, does not the same logic apply at home? In other words, what's the motivation of the "bad guys" in all these shootings? Can't we change that motivation? You see where I'm going.......it's a complex situation that's for sure and many factors are involved, however, I AM CERTAIN and it's proven in the statistics that keeping guns on the streets with "sane" gun owners is going to perpetuate a culture that CONTINUES to turn to violence as a first resort.
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What a pile of bullshit you have dumped.
By far, most gun owners are peaceful. The violence is the result of a very few, and a lot of bad laws.
There are millions of gun owners that have never shot anyone, and have no desire to.
I every place that Gun Laws have been relaxed and concealed carry allowed, the crime rate has dropped.
There will always be violent criminals. The only real defense is for citizens to have the ability to protect themselves.

This however,
However, the situation here in the USA with guns is absolutely and totally OUT OF CONTROL. Why? Well, first of all, by my estimation the USA has a CULTURE of VIOLENCE now deeply ingrained at all levels of US society. This Culture extends to our foreign policy and our nasty habit of bombing first, using military muscle to control others and asking questions later.
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Is complete HorseShit. Go the fuck away. Don't spread this lying crap here.
This nasty habit is a new phenomenon. The same folks that are doing this want do disarm their opponents.
 
Shaun said:
I agree with Obama on this.
This country is OUT OF CONTROL in terms of shootings and general violence.
NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD has the level of violence we do, no first world country that is.
I'm all for it. Ban the bastards.
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WRONG. The only difference is that (1) the American media sensationalizes handgun violence because they have an agenda to disarm law-abiding American citizens and (2) gun control advocates are full of b.s.

For example...

Homicide and the Prevalence of Handguns: Canada and the United States, 1976 to 1980
Brandon S. Centerwall

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/11/1245

From the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, University of Washington Seattle, WA

Reprint requests to Dr. Brsndon S. Centerwall, 611 33rd Avenue E., Seattle, WA 98112

As compared with Americans, Canadians in the 1970s possessed one tenth as many handguns per capita. To assess whether this affected the total criminal homicide rate, the mean annual criminal homicide rates of Canadian provinces were compared with those of adjoining US states for the period of 1976 to 1980. No consistent differences were observed; criminal homicide rates were sometimes higher in the Canadian province, and sometimes higher in the adjoining US state. Major differences in the prevalence of handguns have not resulted in differing total criminal homicide rates in Canadian provinces and adjoining US states. The similar rates of criminal homicide are primarily attributable to underlying similar rates of aggravated assault.

firearms; homicide; violence
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