Obama signs Executive Order allowing him control over all US resources (3/16/12)

[GuerrillaXXI]

No, seriously, what the fuck do they want? The people advocating these things are mostly just dried up pieces of shits in their 50's, 60's, 70's, and soon 80's. Pretty soon they're gonna be too old, even for this dictatorship thing.

So you're telling me they're gonna fuck up the world just so they can jerk off to themselves for 20 years with power?

No, you're fucking kidding me! Seriously, what do they want!? Nothing can be worth this much disaster just for the sake of power!

No, I'm not kidding. I think a selfish desire for power is their main motivation for promoting all this totalitarian bullshit. Obviously that doesn't make it right, and my hate for the people responsible for it knows no bounds.

 

[Xhin]

Unless you work for the federal government, you are not one of his underlings, and his EOs are not binding on you.

Fortunately:

Sec. 501. National Defense Executive Reserve. (a) In accordance with section 710(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(e), there is established in the executive branch a National Defense Executive Reserve (NDER) composed of persons of recognized expertise from various segments of the private sector and from Government (except full time Federal employees) for training for employment in executive positions in the Federal Government in the event of a national defense emergency.

(d) The head of each agency with an NDER unit may exercise the authority under section 703 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2153, to employ civilian personnel when activating all or a part of its NDER unit. The exercise of this authority shall be subject to the provisions of sections 501(e) and (f) of this order and shall not be redelegated.

Sec. 502. Consultants. The head of each agency otherwise delegated functions under this order is delegated the authority of the President under sections 710(b) and (c) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(b), (c), to employ persons of outstanding experience and ability without compensation

 

[Xhin]

Also, I'm honestly not sure about this EO, even after multiple reads and research. Almost identical EO's have been enacted many times since the Defense Production Act of 1950 was established, and that act is what actually gives the president the power shown in this thread. The best way to figure out what's going on is to compare it with this:

http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/12919.htm

^ EO signed by President Clinton in 1994. It's worth noting that the current EO repeals this one, as well as the one issued by Ronald Raegan in 1988.

Since the EO wording is almost identical (I haven't fully combed through them both), the change is equivalent to what the bill that supposedly killed the first amendment had (not very much) compared to current US law.

Also, the "government seizing all natural resources and production" thing hasn't happened since WWII, although EO's similar to this one have reaffirmed the ability of POTUS to do so.

What strikes me as odd is the timing; to reaffirm this bill (and set down some additional procedures which I haven't researched through yet) right on the cusp of a possible crisis with Iran, which would have a strong possibility of becoming a global crisis.

 

[Anti Federalist]

No, I'm not kidding. I think a selfish desire for power is their main motivation for promoting all this totalitarian bullshit. Obviously that doesn't make it right, and my hate for the people responsible for it knows no bounds.

This.

Lust for power can never be satiated, it can never be satisfied.

"Because we can" becomes both the justification for, and the cause of, all the horrors that follow.

 

[Magicman]

Guys these occultists in government do eveyrthing based upon symbolism and choose wars the same. Take a good look at March 20th to be exact for them to invade Iran it just so happens that March 20th 2003 was the date of invasion into Iraq.

 

[thoughtomator]

I'm having trouble figuring out why this EO makes a difference. The executive already does whatever the hell it wants, whenever it wants, taking anything and everything it wants, and nobody is any more likely to stop it now than they were two days ago.

 

[anaconda]

So you're telling me they're gonna fuck up the world just so they can jerk off to themselves for 20 years with power?

I think their version of a super elitist frat boy fraternity & sorority girl support system never goes away.

 

[pcosmar]

I think their version of a super elitist frat boy fraternity & sorority girl support system never goes away.

That is actually close. They are doing it because they believe in something. Those systems were preparation.
They believe they can make people "Better".
They believe they are better and wiser. (illuminated)

and some even believe that they serve Lucifer. (and they do)

 

[Mini-Me]

No, seriously, what the fuck do they want? The people advocating these things are mostly just dried up pieces of shits in their 50's, 60's, 70's, and soon 80's. Pretty soon they're gonna be too old, even for this dictatorship thing.

So you're telling me they're gonna fuck up the world just so they can jerk off to themselves for 20 years with power?

No, you're fucking kidding me! Seriously, what do they want!? Nothing can be worth this much disaster just for the sake of power!

Narcissists don't mellow as they get older. They just get worse.

This may be a mere expansion of Executive Order 12919, but it's hilarious seeing apologists on the Internet pretend like they already knew about it. Who do they think they're fooling? The vast majority never actually knew about EO 12919! They looked it up after someone else pointed out "this is nothing new," and they do mental gymnastics to pretend like, "this horrific order is nothing new" means, "nothing to see here." No, it means, "Holy crap, we've had 18 years to warn people about this crazy shit, and we've squandered it?!?" The fact that they're reaffirming totalitarian power and expanding upon it at this time is ominous. Taken all the way, it enables an overnight fascist or Communist transformation of the entire country.

I found an interesting comment here from someone in the process of comparing the two executive orders:

Thank you, but I know about the other executive orders dealing with national emergency powers to FEMA and the heads of various agencies…

but look at what this says… it extends those powers to peacetime in “preparedness” for national defense… in “preparedness” for a perceived national emergency possibility.

it’s a preemptive strike on an emergency… during peacetime.

It also goes well beyond any executive order of the past, including 12919 in so much as it gives the heads of agencies the power of the purse string COMBINED with the power to sell off ANY US assets to private corporations.

Again, I am still looking at this.

And yes, we can expect many online marketing agents hired by the dems to run around from site to site saying this is nothing.

I'm having trouble figuring out why this EO makes a difference. The executive already does whatever the hell it wants, whenever it wants, taking anything and everything it wants, and nobody is any more likely to stop it now than they were two days ago.

The executive branch does do whatever it wants...and executive orders are a mechanism for doing that. The way I see it, this executive order could be meant to prime and refresh the President's subordinates about orders they may be told to carry out with little or no notice. That way, Obama can put on a hood and quickly say something like, "Execute order 66" in a sinister voice, and his lackeys will know what he's talking about and spring into action.

 

[No Free Beer]

I don't get it.

Didn't the bill in 1950 already give them that power? Or was that just in case of emergency?

 

[playboymommy]

I don't get it.

Didn't the bill in 1950 already give them that power? Or was that just in case of emergency?

It says war emergency. WTH does that even mean though? What is an emergency? Will they cause the emergency? These orders do frighten me. We still have our guns.

 

[Mini-Me]

It says war emergency. WTH does that even mean though? What is an emergency? Will they cause the emergency? These orders do frighten me. We still have our guns.

Indeed. THIS is the real reason for the Second Amendment today: Nothing short of a complete takeover is ever likely to convince people to take up arms, but people very well might pay attention to the wholesale physical seizure of personal property and labor. Remember SOPA/PIPA? People actually demonstrated a show of political force, because they realized they would be personally affected. They couldn't apply wishful thinking like with the NDAA and pretend it's about "turrists." The same would apply here.

I get the feeling the government knows this though...so they'll probably stop short of seizing most personal property. That's just small potatoes to them anyway. Instead, they'll focus on nationalizing industries and taking over capital goods and farms (few people are farmers nowadays). They'll start with the large ones, then take over smaller businesses one at a time. Houses and personal property will likely be left alone to avoid inciting united opposition. The wealthiest and most powerful outside of government will also stand to gain much from this, because the order allows the government to seize any and all property and sell it to whoever they want for whatever they want. The most powerful corporatists will probably be gifted the assets of their weaker competitors in exchange for their unquestioning cooperation...you know, "national socialist" style.

 

[hillbilly123069]

It says war emergency. WTH does that even mean though? What is an emergency? Will they cause the emergency? These orders do frighten me. We still have our guns.

I read emergency as well as non-emergency as long as it's in the interest of national defense.

 

[Suzu]

To help put the EO in context:

 

[vechorik]

duplicate

 

[vechorik]

Jeesh! This morning I not only feel like prepping more, I feel like crawling into a hole and pulling it in after me -- but I can't do that -- I have to participate in this evil system and do the best I can to change it! Heaven help us!

 

[Demigod]

To help put the EO in context:

Again WW II USA propaganda was great.It is actually entertaining

 

[Brett85]

Argh it frustrates me if you try to show these things to Obama supporters, they just think you're a conspiracy theorist.

Tell them that it can't be a conspiracy when it's actually written down on paper.

 

[WilliamShrugged]

Well that settles it. Next paycheck i'm going to buy more ammo, silver, and survival materials so WHEN SHTF i'm able to survive.

 

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

Haven't read the whole thread, but seeing this, and the ammo buy, has anyone given any thought to maybe Obama is going to slap down an executive order suspending the elections to "protect" the public?

He'll cite things like the Missouri caucus, stating that if the Republican party nominating process leads to chaos, how can we have an orderly election.