Obama signs Executive Order allowing him control over all US resources (3/16/12)

[Mini-Me]

Tell them that it can't be a conspiracy when it's actually written down on paper.

I think it's a mistake to continue going along with this perversion of the English language into Newspeak. Why can't it be a conspiracy? It can be a conspiracy. It is a conspiracy...and it's real.

WHY have we gone along with redefining "conspiracy" to mean, "crazy nonsense?" That's not what it means at all. It means:

con·spir·a·cy
   [kuhn-spir-uh-see]
noun, plural -cies.
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

Three of the definitions don't even mention the word "secret," and one of them only mentions it in combination with "or [unlawful/evil]."

 

[2young2vote]

It says war emergency. WTH does that even mean though? What is an emergency? Will they cause the emergency? These orders do frighten me. We still have our guns.

They are going to need an absolutely massive attack on US soil to "Justify" this, if they are even going to try to justify it. This honestly sounds like true socialism to me. It sounds to me like they are talking about complete control or regulation of entire supply chains, and that is scary when you consider the lack of efficiency of government.

 

[Roxi]

All these powers were already in place. All this did was extend them to peacetime (which we haven't been in for a while)

 

[Roxi]

In fact, this is the video that got me into the RP movement and is about these powers. It annoys me a little that I was ranting about this 5 years ago and suddeny the general public is all pissed about this one.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Ron Paul Should get an award too! "Economic Nostradamus"

Why would we do that? Nostradamus was wrong.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm having trouble figuring out why this EO makes a difference. The executive already does whatever the hell it wants, whenever it wants, taking anything and everything it wants, and nobody is any more likely to stop it now than they were two days ago.

Accustomization...

 

[Mini-Me]

In fact, this is the video that got me into the RP movement and is about these powers. It annoys me a little that I was ranting about this 5 years ago and suddeny the general public is all pissed about this one.

Don't be annoyed; be happy people are finally paying attention. According to some of the people analyzing these executive orders though, this one DOES grant a few new powers in addition to reaffirming old (and still ridiculous) ones. For instance, check out the willyloman quote I posted a couple pages back.

 

[SilentBull]

Man, this crap really pisses me off. Liberals are like those 15-year-olds that think nothing bad could ever happen to them. That bad things happen only to other people. Only in other countries would there be a problem with having a president with the authority to do whatever he wants.

 

[pcosmar]

In fact, this is the video that got me into the RP movement and is about these powers. It annoys me a little that I was ranting about this 5 years ago and suddeny the general public is all pissed about this one.

That matter was not to be "Touched Upon".

It was relegated to "Conspiracy Theory" and anyone that voiced concern was labeled as a Nut.

Do you want to be labeled as a "Nut"??

And FEMA HAS GROWN.(with every administration,,both parties) And become a monster..
And even more teeth have been added to this monster.

and still some to not want the matter touched upon.

 

[narrowphoenix]

I really hate that guy......(obama)

 

[Domalais]

Also, I'm honestly not sure about this EO, even after multiple reads and research. Almost identical EO's have been enacted many times since the Defense Production Act of 1950 was established, and that act is what actually gives the president the power shown in this thread.

My crystal ball says that your post will continue to be ignored. Examining the history and precedent on a subject is far less exciting than testosterone-induced fantasies about false flag attacks and concentration camps.

 

[FrankRep]

Didn't see this posted. Admin, plz put in another category if you see fit. This pretty much says the gov can do anything to whatever whenever wherever however to whomever whether anyone likes it or not.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...order-national-defense-resources-preparedness


[mod edit] more here:
http://www.examiner.com/finance-exa...er-allowing-for-control-over-all-us-resources

Just remember, this is all just one big conspiracy theory.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

"The law is two lines, above my signature." Saddam Hussein's famous summary of dictatorial rule, is our new constitution.

 

[Hitman83]

How come we haven't heard about this in the News? Why hasn't the other GOP Candicates talked about it? Hell, why hasn't Dr. Paul mentioned this???

Correct me if I'm wrong. From the sources I've been reading through and finding out the history of this, I may have been misled. The main source was a link from Drudge to HotAir, so that makes me a little nervous. But here goes:

We haven't heard much about this because it doesn't really change anything. It updated the secretaries' roles basically. Ron Paul probably understands that this EO already existed in the bulk of it's form. All Obama did was update some things that changed, like FEMA is now under DHS, etc.

EO 12919 - hxxp://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/pdf/12919.pdf
(I don't know the rules about putting in links...I tried to mimic what I've seen others do)

Does that make this any less infuriating that an EO already existed like this? HELL NO! But it did already exist. It needs to be removed because of all the fears that we all have seen on all these pages of this thread. It should not be taken lightly just because it is already in effect.

How do we reverse stuff like this? What are the limitations on EOs and how are they challenged? How the F*** do we take our country back? It seems like folks aren't waking up fast enough to slow or stop this BS.

Also, I'm honestly not sure about this EO, even after multiple reads and research. Almost identical EO's have been enacted many times since the Defense Production Act of 1950 was established, and that act is what actually gives the president the power shown in this thread.

That's what I'm seeing, yes.

 

[pcosmar]

My crystal ball says that your post will continue to be ignored. Examining the history and precedent on a subject is far less exciting than testosterone-induced fantasies about false flag attacks and concentration camps.

It has not been ignored. In fact more information was posted dealing with past administrations and congress.

This has been ONGOING. It has been incremental but steadily growing.
And it has been largely ignored,, chiefly due to attitudes like yours.

and just what "fantasy about false flag attacks and concentration camps." are you referring?

False Flag attacks are common and have been used as a tactic over and over again. as are camps for dissidents.

 

[Mini-Me]

My crystal ball says that your post will continue to be ignored. Examining the history and precedent on a subject is far less exciting than testosterone-induced fantasies about false flag attacks and concentration camps.

Excuse me? It's IRRELEVANT whether most of these powers have already existed. That doesn't make them any less extreme or dangerous, nor does it mean this isn't a good time to finally draw attention to them. Moreover, most people were totally unaware of them. That includes many here, so just imagine how oblivious the rest of the American public is about them. The same goes for government agents: Reaffirming and expanding these powers can also be a way of refreshing and priming subordinates in preparation of actually using them...which means this very much IS a good time to draw attention to them. If Obama thinks these powers deserve some new attention, maybe we should take heed.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I wonder how many of the neocons out there honestly believe that a President Romney, Gingrich or Santorum would gladly give up this new found power should it fall to them.

 

[pcosmar]

Excuse me? It's IRRELEVANT whether most of these powers have already existed. That doesn't make them any less extreme or dangerous, nor does it mean this isn't a good time to finally draw attention to them. Moreover, most people were totally unaware of them. That includes many here, so just imagine how oblivious the rest of the American public is about them. The same goes for government agents: Reaffirming and expanding these powers can also be a way of refreshing and priming subordinates in preparation of actually using them...which means this very much IS a good time to draw attention to them. If Obama thinks these powers deserve some new attention, maybe we should take heed.

That is a valid concern.

 

[pcosmar]

I wonder how many of the neocons out there honestly believe that a President Romney, Gingrich or Santorum would gladly give up this new found power should it fall to them.

Every administration has expanded on them. And made them worse.. and used some of them.

I am old enough to remember when FEMA did not exist.
And I have observed it in action.

 

[ZENemy]

Twitter is really starting to fire up over this. Sat morning there was about 10 tweets per hour, now there is maybe 20 a minute.