Obama Orders Amnesty for Millions

[Southron]

Every time someone sits in a traffic jam for an hour to go 10 miles, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone applies for a job at Walmart, and there are a thousand other people begging that job too, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone waits at the DMV for an hour to get a new license, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone drives around for an hour looking for a parking place, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone puts in a bid to buy property and ten other people bid the price up out of reach, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone gets a fine for watering their lawn, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone watches prime farmland being paved over and filled with high density housing, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."

It's all so racist.

These reasons and more are why I am in favor of less immigration, period.

 

[Michelangelo]

Every time someone sits in a traffic jam for an hour to go 10 miles, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone applies for a job at Walmart, and there are a thousand other people begging that job too, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone waits at the DMV for an hour to get a new license, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone drives around for an hour looking for a parking place, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone puts in a bid to buy property and ten other people bid the price up out of reach, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone gets a fine for watering their lawn, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."
Every time someone watches prime farmland being paved over and filled with high density housing, they think "Gee, I wish there were more people here."

It's all so racist.

Traffic, water 'shortages', and 'lack' of parking are caused by the lack of a pricing mechanism not migrants.

The DMV is slow because it lacks a pricing mechanism and because it's run by the government.
High real estate prices are caused more by zoning restrictions than they are caused by migrants. Migrants, in so far as they increase demand for housing, increase real estate prices but if zoning laws weren't so restrictive there wouldn't be housing shortages. The increased demand would simply translate to more high rises or an expansion of metro regions (i.e. "urban sprawl").

If farmland is paved over for housing it is because the latter is more valuable at the margin.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Traffic, water 'shortages', and 'lack' of parking are caused by the lack of a pricing mechanism not migrants.

The DMV is slow because it lacks a pricing mechanism and because it's run by the government.
High real estate prices are caused more by zoning restrictions than they are caused by migrants. Migrants, in so far as they increase demand for housing, increase real estate prices but if zoning laws weren't so restrictive there wouldn't be housing shortages. The increased demand would simply translate to more high rises or an expansion of metro regions (i.e. "urban sprawl").

If farmland is paved over for housing it is because the latter is more valuable at the margin.

I'll give you that the DMV isn't always caused by excess immigration, but anyone who has been there knows that immigration distorts the number of customers there. New arrivals need new licenses and registrations.

The rest is your opinion. I don't agree. Pricing mechanisms will not magically grow new roads when there isn't any space for them. And going vertical with housing only make most of those issues worse. And as many people on this forum will attest, they don't want to live in a hive.

Pave over all of the farmland, and food becomes an issue.

You can go ahead and live in a city like this. I don't want to.

 

[Zippyjuan]

So we should ban all people and prevent people from having children (since it isn't really about immigrants but people in general) so you don't have to wait at the DMV? Ok.

What is the situation with US population growth and and how is immigration effecting it? Article from January of this year.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2014/01/24-us-population-growth-migration-frey

US Population Growth and Migration Sputter, Yet Again

A series of recent government reports on the nation’s demographic vitality, including one released this week, counter earlier suggestions that a post-recession “return to normal” is in the offing. The statistic that grabbed headlines as 2013 came to a close was a downturn in national population growth to the lowest rate (0.72 percent) since the 1930s. This figure follows a rise last year from the previous historic low, and is well below pre-recession growth rates that were closer to 1 percent.

According to the numbers just reported, births have declined and deaths have risen, in part a result of our aging population. Even so, the crude birth rate for 2012-2013—at 12.6 births per 1,000 population—is the lowest recorded in many decades. More importantly, the reported migration dynamics are once again headed in the wrong direction, following hopeful upturns last year.

Immigration to the U.S. is a demographic yardstick for measuring the nation’s attractiveness to outsiders searching for both high- and low-skilled jobs. Due in large part to the recession, net inflows from abroad declined sharply, from 980,000 in 2005-2006 to just 725,000 in 2008-2009. Small gains followed on the heels of this decline, with a sharper gain last year (to 866,000) suggesting an upward trajectory. However, newly reported numbers from 2012-13—down to 843,000—run counter to that expectation.

More at link.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/01/23/fewer-immigrants-came-to-u-s-last-year/

Perhaps we should set up a government committee and a "Baby Police" to enforce it. Don't want too many people in the way.

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

It's not possible to be a libertarian if you believe in giving the President dictatorial powers.

If the president is lifting restrictions on a person's ability to travel as they please, yes, it is.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

So to the people here that want to restrict/ban immigration because of welfare fears, why not support forced sterilization of existing American citizens? After all, they're already in the system and will have an easier time receiving government benefits and voting Democrat.

 

[anaconda]

But the immigration system isnt a mess, its not broken despite every politician and his mother claiming it is, the problem is we havent really tried to enforce our immigration law since the 50's.

So then, we don't need "a bill" as Mr. Obama claims, we just need to enforce the existing laws?

 

[anaconda]

isn't that kinda racist?

No, if it applies to anchor babies of all races.

 

[The Free Hornet]

So to the people here that want to restrict/ban immigration because of welfare fears, why not support forced sterilization of existing American citizens? After all, they're already in the system and will have an easier time receiving government benefits and voting Democrat.

The joke is that, once again, the GOP can unilaterally shrink the size of the government and force Obama's hand on issues like the war on drugs, foreign wars, and other reasons that get people to flee here from the south. They won't. It is easier to whine and fingerpoint. Like with healthcare, so long as the GOP supported the AMA and drug import restrictions (in the context of IP and the DEA/FDA, this is key ... I'm not making a trade point but a freedom to buy the shit we need from multiple sources not locked IP BS), they didn't have a moral leg to stand on wrt healthcare reform and now here we are.

 

[anaconda]

Not if they sign up for amnesty. Some of them will get laid off.

Are you saying because of minimum wage?

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I'll give you that the DMV isn't always caused by excess immigration, but anyone who has been there knows that immigration distorts the number of customers there. New arrivals need new licenses and registrations.

The rest is your opinion. I don't agree. Pricing mechanisms will not magically grow new roads when there isn't any space for them. And going vertical with housing only make most of those issues worse. And as many people on this forum will attest, they don't want to live in a hive.

Pave over all of the farmland, and food becomes an issue.

You can go ahead and live in a city like this. I don't want to.

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Economic Sophisms by Frédéric Bastiat
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/44145

I think an earlier post of yours would have been better suited for this response but, "meh." Consider the book. It's fairly short (about a couple hundred pages), entertaining, informative, and I think you'd enjoy it.

 

[fr33]

My only criticism about Obama's plan is that it did not include amnesty.

 

[PRB]

No, if it applies to anchor babies of all races.

that's like saying drug laws are not racist because the laws apply to white users too, except we already know that blacks commit most of the crimes, so even if they apply the same laws, we know who will end up affect it the most.

 

[anaconda]

With all due respect, he has just issued work permits that Congress didn't approve. That isn't simply rearranging the deportation queue.

It is my understanding that the Department of Homeland Security's "prosecutorial discretion" or "Administrative Relief" includes issuing work permits to low priority deportation cases. If the number of deportations decrease, then I would admit it is more than an adjustment in the deportation queue. The more immediate question for me is if, and why, DHS is slacking off on deportations.

https://nilc.org/adminrelieftable.html

 

[PRB]

My only criticism about Obama's plan is that it did not include amnesty.

so you're calling Rand Paul a liar?
http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1248

 

[fr33]

No shit. He should go to China and just try and hang out...nope.

Should our model be the Chinese model? Why stop there? Lets just be Israel.

Fuck freedom and all that mess.

 

[fr33]

so you're calling Rand Paul a liar?
http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1248

I hope that Rand Paul gets the chance to become a hypocrite as president. IF he doesn't, I'm prepared to condemn him.

 

[PRB]

I hope that Rand Paul gets the chance to become a hypocrite as president. IF he doesn't, I'm prepared to condemn him.

that's not my question, are you accusing Rand Paul of lying if he said Obama abused executive amnesty, yes or no?

 

[fr33]

that's not my question, are you accusing Rand Paul of lying if he said Obama abused executive amnesty, yes or no?

Yes he overreached his power. But also yes I support such an overreach. If Rand Paul as president doesn't act the same way in the 4-8 years in his presidential term, he's useless and will accomplish next to nothing.