Not Happy with Iowa Infomercial...

[AggieforPaul]

90% of the young people who support Ron on the net don't agree with this position on abortion. He should just keep his opinions on this to himself, since they have nothing to do with the position he running for - President.

Ron Paul didnt get where he is by pulling punches. He's a Christian and he's pro-life. End of story. If you dont like it, that's your problem and not his.

 

[evadmurd]

No, the deadline is the same as the caucus day, January 3rd, 2007

I thought only independents (or otherwise uncommitted voters) could register on caucus day for individual party caucuses. At least that is the perception given from this letter writing campaign going on.

 

[NewEnd]

Ron Paul didnt get where he is by pulling punches.

Yes he did.
He wouldn't nearly have the popularity he has now if that iowa informercial was the first one people were watching 7 months ago.

His position of leaving it to the states was palatable to many on the left, but trying to say we should define life as beginning at conception, is going to scare away a lot of people on the left.

Please drop this. The ad was targeted at Iowa Republicans.

Unfortunately, independants can still caucus in the Republican primaries, up to election day.

 

[OferNave]

Wow, that makes me feel great.

Zach

Don't feel bad,

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Democrats are not the target demographic in Iowa.

+1

 

[bucfish]

Giving the power back to the stands to decide. This is a good way to attack divisive issues like abortion.

 

[Naraku]

Don't bother with pro-choicers. Anyone who would tacitly support the mass murder of human children without questioning is not deserving of a discussion on the issue. I've had long arguments with people on this issue and believe me, logic usually doesn't work on them.

The fact is probably 80% of the population is pro-life in their everyday with about 40% of them being pro-choice politically only because they see it as unstoppable and therefore not something which should be illegal.

However, on abortion I think Paul should handle it better. A lot of people are opposed to partial birth abortion even if they consider themselves pro-choice so he should definitely have harped on that more. Anyone who actually believes partial birth abortion is not at least morally repugnant if not illegal is being irrational because the same argument for partial birth abortion could be used to justify infanticide. So he wouldn't be losing any viable supporters there.

The thing I love most about Ron Paul is the fact when he says he's pro-life he means it from cradle to grave, more like womb to grave.

Oh yeah and it's total bullshit to call abortion a "religious" issue. There are plenty of pro-life atheists out there.

 

[Question_Authority]

I agree the infomercial sucks. The campaign is not very bright.

 

[dircha]

Don't bother with pro-choicers. Anyone who would tacitly support the mass murder of human children without questioning is not deserving of a discussion on the issue. I've had long arguments with people on this issue and believe me, logic usually doesn't work on them.

The fact is probably 80% of the population is pro-life in their everyday with about 40% of them being pro-choice politically only because they see it as unstoppable and therefore not something which should be illegal.

However, on abortion I think Paul should handle it better. A lot of people are opposed to partial birth abortion even if they consider themselves pro-choice so he should definitely have harped on that more. Anyone who actually believes partial birth abortion is not at least morally repugnant if not illegal is being irrational because the same argument for partial birth abortion could be used to justify infanticide. So he wouldn't be losing any viable supporters there.

The thing I love most about Ron Paul is the fact when he says he's pro-life he means it from cradle to grave, more like womb to grave.

Oh yeah and it's total bullshit to call abortion a "religious" issue. There are plenty of pro-life atheists out there.

These people who are offended at any mention of Congressman Paul's strong pro-life convictions aren't supporters we can count on anyhow.

And this idea that we are courting pro-choice Democrats is a joke. Ron Paul supporters far and away are Republicans and Independents. Repealing Roe v Wade directly contradicts the core tenants of the Democratic platform. Pro-choice Democrats have zero-tolerance for dissent on this issue.

We have better things to do than worrying about offending crossover pro-choice Democrats.

These people don't even respect Congressman Paul's personal beliefs. They want to impose their personal beliefs and opinions on other American through the force of federal government, and they can't tolerate the idea that Congressman Paul doesn't share their bigoted, amoral, intolerant views. We see it right here on these forums. They call him ignorant, prejudiced, and behind the times.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I didn't realize that the Iowa Caucus was open. If that is truly the case, geez, the pounding on abortion doesn't seem too bright. Especially, when it doesn't mention that he wants it returned to the states.

I dunno. I guess we will see what happens. There is very little we can do about it now, but ask them not to use this in other states without massive revision.

 

[tmg19103]

Well, there is another thread going right now on how RP just jumped IN ONE WEEK from 4% to 10% in Iowa.

The infomercial just started a week ago. If the infomercial is so bad, how do you explain RP going from 4% to 10% in one week!? That is HUGE and this infomercial is perfect for your typical conservative, Iowa Republican.

EDIT: the thread with RP jumping in the Iowa polls - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=64736

 

[LibertyEagle]

These people who are offended at any mention of Congressman Paul's strong pro-life convictions aren't supporters we can count on anyhow.

That's not true at all. A whole lot of women are very concerned about the thought of going back to the way it used to be. Coat hangers and the like. If you had lived during that time and are a woman, you probably understand what I am talking about.

But, I have supported Ron Paul for over 20 years. I don't support him because of his strong pro-life position, I support him because of his stance on economic issues, the proper role of government, individual liberty, and the like.

One doesn't have to agree with him on everything, to be a strong supporter. Some of us actually know how to prioritize, believe it or not. If our dollar totally collapses, and we become a police state, not too many people are going to rank abortion as one of their major concerns.

 

[dircha]

Well, there is another thread going right now on how RP just jumped IN ONE WEEK from 4% to 10% in Iowa.

The infomercial just started a week ago. If the infomercial is so bad, how do you explain RP going from 4% to 10% in one week!? That is HUGE and this infomercial is perfect for your typical conservative, Iowa Republican.

Right on. Pro-choice Democrats aren't going to caucus for someone who is fighting to overturn Roe v Wade, who believes strongly that life begins at conception, and that abortion is murder.

I don't believe it for a second. These people show outright disdain for Congressman Paul's personal convictions.

 

[manuel]

I screen everything I show to my friends, co-workers, and family.

 

[Adamsa]

The pro-life thing is a good one to get evangelicals away from Huck and/or Romney.

 

[literatim]

That's not true at all. A whole lot of women are very concerned about the thought of going back to the way it used to be. Coat hangers and the like. If you had lived during that time and are a woman, you probably understand what I am talking about.

Over 50% of women are pro-life.

 

[tmg19103]

Well, there is another thread going right now on how RP just jumped IN ONE WEEK from 4% to 10% in Iowa.

The infomercial just started a week ago. If the infomercial is so bad, how do you explain RP going from 4% to 10% in one week!? That is HUGE and this infomercial is perfect for your typical conservative, Iowa Republican.

EDIT: the thread with RP jumping in the Iowa polls - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=64736

Also, how is pro-life preacher Huckabee doing so well in Iowa?

You have to understand your audience. This thread is stupid if you show this commercial to your liberal pro-choice Democrat family members and then get mad at the infomercial. It says nothing about the infomercial as that is not the target audience. The infomerical is kicking ass and taking names.

 

[NewEnd]

These people who are offended at any mention of Congressman Paul's strong pro-life convictions aren't supporters we can count on anyhow.

There are many issues more important than abortion, and for paul to go from a lackadaisical "it should be left up to the states" to a hard-right "we need a federal law that says life begins at conception" is not the way to make friends.

And this idea that we are courting pro-choice Democrats is a joke. Ron Paul supporters far and away are Republicans and Independents. Repealing Roe v Wade directly contradicts the core tenants of the Democratic platform. Pro-choice Democrats have zero-tolerance for dissent on this issue.

Ron Paul cannot win by being overly zealous on this issue. He has lost support on the left, which we desperately need, because half of the rigth hates Paul because of the war..... and there are plenty of pro-life alternatives in the primaries.

..... their bigoted, amoral, intolerant views....

This is the kind of shit I can't stand in feminazi or christian crusader dialogue. One should be able to at least respect the opinion of the other side in this matter.

 

[PimpBlimp]

Sorry liberals, Ron Paul is a Republican.

You can go vote for a democrat if you want but don't come crying here when we are still in Iraq 10 years from now.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Over 50% of women are pro-life.

There's a difference between being pro-life and defining life as beginning at conception.