Not Happy with Iowa Infomercial...

[XelR8r]

umm...I think the ad is designed for republicans, you know people who are opposed to abortion.

 

[adwads]

umm...I think the ad is designed for republicans, you know people who are opposed to abortion.

It's disingenuous because it doesn't explain how RP would leave it up to the states

 

[JohnnyWrath]

Top issues for Iowa republicans.

Among Republican caucus-goers, terrorism is the most important issue at 21.9 percent. The economy is second at 15.8 percent, followed by the Iraq war (15.5 percent), and immigration (13.7 percent). Rounding out the remaining issues are health care (9.7 percent), abortion (7.2 percent), education (4.0 percent), energy policy (2.9 percent), gay marriage (2.9 percent), agricultural policy (1.4 percent), and the environment (1.1 percent), while 2.2 percent responded "don't know" and 1.8 percent responded "other."


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[itsnobody]

I don't feel like arguing over abortion here...we did a poll and 1/3 of RP supporters on these forums are pro-choice, just deal with it--we all need to get along.

Well ok then, but I support Ron Paul and his pro-life views and still don't understand the pro-choice position

 

[dircha]

Returning abortion law to the states DIRECTLY contradicts the Democratic party platform. It sounds like your family isn't willing to budge on this, and if that's the case, they're not going to hear what they want from Ron Paul. Better they hear it now than in the general election against Hillary when it will be a key point of attack to rally the Democratic base against him.

There are way too many Democrats who will never even consider voting for a candidate who runs on returning abortion law to the states, to the extent that it isn't even worth courting the Democratic vote.

Republicans are much more flexible. Most will support a candidate who runs on only returning abortion law to the states. Most will support a candidate even if he or she doesn't run on passing a Constitutional amendment outlawing it.

Yes, Ron Paul draws some support from Democrats, but the vast majority of his support is from Republicans and Independents.

 

[dircha]

It's disingenuous because it doesn't explain how RP would leave it up to the states

But he is personally very strongly anti-abortion.

These are his personal views, and part of being a candidate for office is that many voters want to be assured that the candidate shares their values.

Yes, he has said that he does not believe it is a federal issue, and I expect him to stand by that, but there is nothing disingenuous about him expressing his personal views to voters who want to hear them (Iowa Republican caucus goers).

He can't please everyone all the time. Some issues are simply divisive, and there's nothing we can do about it.

 

[K1RBY]

so what some of you are saying is, Ron should not state some of his goals & beliefs, in order to pander to democrats &/or pro-choice moderates. did you forget why we all support paul in the first place??..because he says what he thinks & he has nothing to hide.

you people wanting him to shut up about issues that he feels are important, need to look elsewhere for phonies, if thats what you want.

 

[InRonWeTrust]

so what some of you are saying is, Ron should not state some of his goals & beliefs, in order to pander to democrats &/or pro-choice moderates. did you forget why we all support paul in the first place??..because he says what he thinks & he has nothing to hide.

you people wanting him to shut up about issues that he feels are important, need to look elsewhere for phonies, if thats what you want.

He can just simply say that the federal government has nothing to do with this issue. It should be decided by states. End of story. We don't need infomercials pandering to rednecks on the abortion issue.

 

[therealjjj77]

I know a lot of Democrats who are still going to vote for him irregardless.

 

[NewEnd]

You were the one who made the critical error, not the campaign. Ron Paul is running for the nomination of the Republican Party, not the Democratic Party. You should have pre viewed the infomercial or at least read what was in it first. Then you would have known that it was specifically made to court Republican voters in Iowa. The infomercial was a masterpiece, but you showed it to the wrong audience. I just hope your mistake doesn't cost Ron Paul the win in Iowa.

The infomercial was divisive. It really turned off someone I know, who had supported Paul in the past, but changed his mind over the abortion thing. He then saw the infomercial, and that was it.

His BIG issue was the Fed, BTW.

Honestly, WTF were they thinking?

 

[itsnobody]

He can just simply say that the federal government has nothing to do with this issue. It should be decided by states. End of story. We don't need infomercials pandering to rednecks on the abortion issue.

He's not pandering to anyone, he never does, it's what he really believes

 

[Crickett]

I have been saying this for 2 weeks it seems. Part 2 (if you can get to it) is WAY better. I mentioned when it first came out that the utube views on the first part (at the time) were four times the views of the 2nd part (no one wanted to watch more) but no one listened to me then, just flamed me..LOL

 

[electronicmaji]

we understand his views BUT WHY does he lead of with that one...its not even in the top 10 issues for the elections period!

 

[K1RBY]

so, abortion is divisive, so what?..dr. paul is right, you friend is wrong. im glad RP is saying exactly what he intends to do.

this is obviously a big issue to paul or he wouldnt be trying to take overturn roe v wade.

what would RP say if you told him "oh you shoudnt bring that up so much..you might turn some people off"?..

i swear you people dont have a fuckin clue what makes RP such a stand up guy.

 

[jorlowitz]

Why note Democrats...

Though Ron Paul understands the philosophical divide between Democrats and Republicans (or Socialism and Individualism), I'd argue that many individuals who align themselves with these parties do not. If that's true, than Paul should aim to explain himself to Democrats as well as everyone else. Paul's prescriptions for this countries problem would not apply only to Republicans--the country's problems certainly don't--and so I can see no reason why he wouldn't explain himself to Democrats as well (even if Paul is 'building his base', a large issue impeding that is the much broader perception that his philosophy is way to radical--addressing the nation's problems more directly or specifically addressing Democrats might be away to not receive the continual marginalization his campaign has been receiving).

 

[TwiLeXia]

I've found that the best way of introducing Ron Paul is to show them the "A New Hope" video on Youtube, followed up by usually a page scan of his voting record, and then finally the video "Ron Paul Rising." The thing is a lot of people don't trust merely a politician - they want to see actual faces who support this candidate, and Ron Paul Rising is an excellent video which shows this.

I don't know about the Iowa Info-Ads, I personally don't think they're good at all. You really don't need 30 minutes to convince someone to vote for Ron Paul.

In fact I believe merely 5 minutes will be enough - simply show why we need Ron Paul - FINANCIALLY. That's all. A lot of Americans don't care that much about issues like abortion and immigration - at least not the people I talk to. Money talks though, and if you talk about Ron Paul concerning how he'll relieve us of our taxes and he has a plan for it, you will be able to convert almost anyone.

 

[InRonWeTrust]

90% of the young people who support Ron on the net don't agree with this position on abortion. He should just keep his opinions on this to himself, since they have nothing to do with the position he running for - President.

 

[NewEnd]

i swear you people dont have a fuckin clue what makes RP such a stand up guy.

I swear you dont have a fucking clue as to why he is so popular to both democrats and republicans. If he keeps up these shenanigans, he'll only be popular with Republicans.


There was no need to sound so combative about abortion... especially since Iowa is an open caucus.

 

[Paulitician]

Should have made them watch or listen to the best interviews where Ron gets to fully explain himself.

 

[AggieforPaul]

Please drop this. The ad was targeted at Iowa Republicans.

Believe it or not, half the country is pro-life, and lots of people (especially republicans) demand their candidate be pro life. Just like its important for an anti-war Republican to differentiate himself from the field, its also important for a pro life libertarian to do the same.