Not Happy with Iowa Infomercial...

[Johncjackson]

The bottom line is ROn Paul panders just like everyone else. He just happens to be right 90% of the time.

 

[elahewu]

Even though the infomercial is targeted to Iowa, how many people are going to see it on youtube?

Leading with controversial topics is not smart strategy. Start with the topics that pulls everyone in like smaller government. Then end with the divisive stuff like abortion. What happened to the states issue theme?

The production quality sucked. The footage of him at the podium seemed like he was shouting too much and had an authoritarian (in a bad way) feeling.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The bottom line is ROn Paul panders just like everyone else. He just happens to be right 90% of the time.

He doesn't pander. He says what he believes and lets the chips fall where they may.

 

[tmg19103]

Isn't it about time this thread goes to Hot Topics?

As we have read in this thread, Ron Paul's platform is simple - he is personally pro-life. As a public official he correctly believes Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional and that the states should decide on this issue. As president Ron paul would have no say on what do to about abortion if it is turned over to the states, as he correctly believes it should be.

I'm pro-choice and I accept this part of Ron Paul's platform. It is what it is. If you can't get over that fact, then tough. Ron Paul is not going to pander and lie to people just to make a some people on this forum happy. If you can't get over this issue, maybe Ron Paul is not your candidate.

It is a fact that RP will promote some parts of his platfrom over others depending on the state he stumping. Pro-life plays in Iowa. It is being downplayed in N.H. It will be played up in S.C. and downplayed in Nevada. That's poltics and it is not pandering - it is just stressing different parts fo your platform based on the audience. No lies. No promises that are not part of the platform.

It is up to the voter to fully educate him/herself to the issues of candidate. Fact is the vast majority of Americans don't educate themselves on a candidate beyond the sound bites they hear.

Abortion is a wedge is that is WAY down the list of priorities of American voters. The economy, Iraq War, terrorism, immigration, healthcare, education and taxes all come before abortion for the vast majority of Americans.

Yes, for some Americans abortion is THE issue and with others gun rights is THE issue. Tough. Get over it. It is what it is. Ron Paul's platfrom is what it is. If you can't get over Ron Paul's platform on abortion, go vote for a Democrat. If you can't get over the fact the Ron Paul will play up certain parts of his platfrom depending on the state, go find a candidate who is not - and you won't find such a candidate.

This whole thread is just overblown with emotion that is running around in circles like a dog chasing its tail and accomplishing nothing.

 

[NewEnd]

Yes, for some Americans abortion is THE issue and with others gun rights is THE issue. Tough. Get over it. It is what it is. Ron Paul's platfrom is what it is. If you can't get over Ron Paul's platform on abortion, go vote for a Democrat. If you can't get over the fact the Ron Paul will play up certain parts of his platfrom depending on the state, go find a candidate who is not - and you won't find such a candidate.

This whole thread is just overblown with emotion that is running around in circles like a dog chasing its tail and accomplishing nothing.

Most of us know the Ron Paul position on Abortion, we just do not feel the infomercial presents it well.

And your post was overblown with emotion.

 

[Naraku]

This topic hit nerves because it involves one side calling the other 'baby killers' and getting the return accusation of 'enslavers of women.'

Except only one side makes any sense. Personally I would be able to vote for someone who was pro-choice, but not because I'm not passionate about abortion, but because I generally view life at all stages sacred and, unfortunately, most people don't have a political stance that respects life at every stage.

Fact is, women aren't enslaved by having consensual unprotected sex with another man. However, having an abortion is killing a human life, no matter how you want to slice the issue an embryo is obviously a life and obviously human. Anyone claiming science says otherwise is giving you junk science.

I suppose embryo-killer or fetus-killer could work, but it's not the same thing. Of course, I never said anyone here was a "baby-killer" I only said that being pro-choice basically means supporting the murder of children.

I think if anyone took a step and simply considered whether an embryo was a separate life from the mother and whether an embryo was human by design, if not in substance, then most would realize abortion is killing a human life and doing so often without reason.

I think it's good for Ron Paul to say that and I don't particularly mind if he doesn't get votes from the pro-choice crowd, though he probably will in any case. I only care if he wins.

 

[NewEnd]

Except only one side makes any sense.

both sides make sense.

 

[mkiv808]

I think a big thorn in the side of this campaign is the lousy video production. It's too bad they didn't hire a young, forward-thinking advertising agency to do it.

I used to work at a small place locally here that did AMAZING and very clever work. Very modern, but always effective and to the point. They would've done the whole campaign very inexpensively and had great production values. And that's how the new breed of agencies work: doing what used to cost millions for a fraction of the cost. It just takes ingenuity and creativity.

I'm currently an art director at a larger marketing agency, so I'd like to think I at least somewhat know what I'm talking about.

Lousy videos coming out of this campaign...

 

[RichardC]

Except only one side makes any sense.

Like the other poster said, both sides make sense. I'm actually pro choice, to an extent, but even I concede that this issue is too divisive and has no clear moral imperative. We should all leave it at that.

 

[tmg19103]

Most of us know the Ron Paul position on Abortion, we just do not feel the infomercial presents it well.

And your post was overblown with emotion.

Actually felt unemotional and logical writing it. As for the infomercial, RP jumped from 4% to 10% in Iowa for the first week it ran. Could be a coincidence, but I'll take that kind of coincidence.

And yes, this thread is a bore - and I say that without emotion.

 

[hocaltar]

This isn't the time or place for a discussion of abortion. I personally am pro-choice and your comments just make me feel like arguing with you...the fact is, Ron Paul is personally pro-life, but he would leave the abortion issue up to the states...However, the informercial DOES NOT make that clear. THe informercial PRETENDS that RP will enact pro-life legislation at the federal level.

Abolishment of Roe Vs. Wade does not mean he will enact prolife legislation. It means that the supreme court will not have jurisdiction over our lives anymore.
At first I read into this too, then I thought about it for a second, and it all became clear.

 

[hocaltar]

Even though the infomercial is targeted to Iowa, how many people are going to see it on youtube?

Leading with controversial topics is not smart strategy. Start with the topics that pulls everyone in like smaller government. Then end with the divisive stuff like abortion. What happened to the states issue theme?

The production quality sucked. The footage of him at the podium seemed like he was shouting too much and had an authoritarian (in a bad way) feeling.

Negative! Look up the rule of primacy and recency. Abortion is the most important topic to Evangelical Christians. Putting that right out front ensures he starts off on the right foot with them, it's a great attention getter and served its purpose very well. I found this very well thought out.

 

[dawnbt]

Cool it. How could showing the infomercial to his family possibly cost Ron Paul the election? Are you spending every second of every day writing letters or making phone calls to Iowa?

I second that!!

 

[zcopley]

Here are some other observations from Cedar Rapids...

Phone-banking is way overdone. I think it's a waste of time here. This house is getting maybe 20 political calls per day (no exaggeration). My impression is that folks are annoyed by the phone calls, and tune them out completely. The relatives I'm staying with don't even know who is calling because they don't answer anything that's "out of area" or "toll free" just because of the political phone calls. I think Hilary may have an advantage over the other candidates simply because the Caller ID says "Call from Hillary Clinton" while the other candidates are totally anonymous. My fam is going to caucus bigtime, but they will not make their decision based on any phone calls. Anecdotally, phone-banking is a loser.

Driving around, I've seen only ONE Ron Paul sign.... shit! Come on Cedar Rapids! In the snow, yard signs really stand out. I wish there were more Ron Paul signs. Obama and Hilary are everywhere in this town, with a sprinkling of Romney. Maybe this is just a heavily democratic city, I dunno... or maybe the message isn't getting here.

I agree with the people who said I shouldn't have put the Ron Paul infomercial on here without vetting it first on YouTube... although I have to tell you, I wasn't putting it on to convert my family to Ron Paul, I mostly just wanted to see it myself.

I also see the point that the infomercial was targeted at the Republicans here. However, maybe I am naive about Republicans. In my mind the critical issues, whether one is a Democrat or Republican, should be Freedom, Liberty and The Constitution -- not some wedge issue like abortion. I was assuming that to win over Republicans Ron Paul would just send the same message to them that he sent to me...

Hey, but what do I know about politics?

Zach

 

[hawkeyenick]

The deadline to change registration from Democrat to Republican has past in Iowa right? And the caucus is closed? If that's the case then is there a point to try to convert Democrats? My guess is that the ad is targetted squarely towards converting Republicans.

you can change the day-of in iowa as of january 1st