Non-US citizens CAN NOT donate to US Ron Paul ChipIns! -Admin: Accuracy is questioned

[IamVoting4RonPaul]

Non US-citizens cannot directly or indirectly donate to a US federal election campaign -- only US citizens and permanent residents ("green card" holders). It is also illegal for you to solicit donations from non-US citizens.

Donating to a US-based Ron Paul ChipIn is indirectly funding a campaign. Is it worth getting the official campaign in hot water?


Official info here: http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml

 

[hard@work]

Huh. Interesting 2nd post. While I find myself agreeing to an extent, I'm not so sure about transferring money to US citizens.

edt. - http://www.wrmea.com/archives/July_Aug_2004/0407027.html

If they can do it why not Australians? Also, isn't Rupert Murdoch who runs FOX news an Aussie?

 

[IamVoting4RonPaul]

That is election fraud.

If you take money from a foreigner (who wants to donate but can't) and donate it to the campaign, you are committing election fraud. The media would love that.

Lisa C.

 

[IamVoting4RonPaul]

PACs are different than ChipIns

Foreigners can donate to PACs -- they have to report to the FEC I believe.

Lisa C.

 

[torchbearer]

Why did you post a thread title that is an outright lie? Perhaps you thought this was the Fred Thompson Forum?

 

[IamVoting4RonPaul]

Read this before you flame

I have been working my ass off for the Ron Paul campaign so don't even try to go there. . .

Here you go, smart guy: http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml

Trever from http://thisnovember5th.com/ just phoned the FEC and spoke to them himself -- it is illegal for for foreigners to donate to US chipins. Contact Trevor through his website to confirm.

Lisa C.

 

[torchbearer]

I have been working my ass off for the Ron Paul campaign so don't even try to go there. . .

Here you go, smart guy: http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml

Trever from http://thisnovember5th.com/ just phoned the FEC and spoke to them himself -- it is illegal for for foreigners to donate to US chipins. Contact Trevor through his website to confirm.

Lisa C.

Hey, its your duty as a lawful citizen to report me to the FEC. I sponsored a chipin that foreigners contribute to and will be doing it again.
Have a feeling you aren't going to get very far with that indictment.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Non US-citizens cannot directly or indirectly donate to a US federal election campaign -- ...

Indirectly donate = Give to Pac which then donates to the campaign.
Doesn't it??
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Please, change the very misleading title.
"Non-US citizens CAN NOT donate to US Ron Paul ChipIns!"

Chip-ins are used for independent efforts not tied to a PAC, or the central campaign. The title is (possibly) false and might keep someone from donating.

Thank you


EDIT:

((Note added later))

Please, let this thread die, due to the uncertainty, and the negative title.
This thread is much better for RP supporters to debate.

 

[torchbearer]

Indirectly donate = Give to Pac which then donates to the campaign.
Doesn't it??
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Please, change the very misleading title.
"Non-US citizens CAN NOT donate to US Ron Paul ChipIns!"

Chip-ins are used for independent efforts not tied to a PAC, or the central campaign. The title is (possibly) false and might keep someone from donating.

Thank you

exactly. If the money doesn't go to the campaign... it doesn't matter.
This person is either misunderstanding the words or is purposely spreading false information.

 

[IamVoting4RonPaul]

Hey good for you. . .

The mainstream media would love to have something else to spin about Ron Paul.

Go ahead man, break election laws, you're a freakin' legend and an asset to the campaign.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Trever from http://thisnovember5th.com/ just phoned the FEC and spoke to them himself -- it is illegal for for foreigners to donate to US chipins...

The FEC does not understand how independently we operate.
The money never reaches Ron's HQ, not directly or indirectly.

 

[IamVoting4RonPaul]

What part of indirectly funding do you not understand?

I'll make it easy for you:

Not a US citizen? Don't have a "green card"?

Do not donate to a US Chipin that uses its funds to promote the Ron Paul presidential campaign.

It is illegal and has been confirmed with a phone call to the FEC.

The title stands.

 

[torchbearer]

The mainstream media would love to have something else to spin about Ron Paul.

Go ahead man, break election laws, you're a freakin' legend and an asset to the campaign.

If I'm breaking the law, turn me in. Save the campaign from my criminal misconduct. If you need my contact info, pm me. the fed can come by and sieze my property while trying to see if I "funneled" foriegn donations to the campaign via chipin.
Which is illegal.
What I did.. is collect money to run an ad. For myself. Get it?

 

[IamVoting4RonPaul]

The FEC does not understand how independently we operate.
The money never reaches Ron's HQ, not directly or indirectly.

You explain it to the FEC -- until then -- it's illegal. I didn't say I agreed. I just don't want someone causing grief for Dr. Paul.

When a Meetup group buys "Ron Paul for President" signs and puts them up, they are working indirectly with the campaign. Using foreign money to help buy those signs is illegal.

 

[torchbearer]

Also- foriegners can use Chipins that support the RON PAUL FORUMS. They can use chipins for a billboard being bought by Billy Bob in Kansas.... and then they can legally drop money into a chipin that helps Stacey in Alaska paint Ron Paul all over her car...etc.
As long as the money donated does not ended up in the campaign... directly, or indirectly(meaning, i can't take their money and then donate it to the campaign as my own)

 

[Indy Vidual]

Let's take a closer look...

You explain it to the FEC -- until then -- it's illegal. I didn't say I agreed. I just don't want someone causing grief for Dr. Paul.

When a Meetup group buys "Ron Paul for President" signs and puts them up, they are working indirectly with the campaign. Using foreign money to help buy those signs is illegal.

You might be right.
Thanks, for trying to help.
We need to find out for certain (see below)

I'll make it easy for you:

Not a US citizen? Don't have a "green card"?

Do not donate to a US Chipin that uses its funds to promote the Ron Paul presidential campaign.

It is illegal and has been confirmed with a phone call to the FEC.

The title stands.

While you provide 'the simple version' let's take a closer look:

"Monitoring Prohibited Contributions

When a federal political committee (a committee active in federal elections) receives a contribution it believes may be from a foreign national, it must:..."

This is written "about federal political committees" which are registered.
We are independent individuals.
Ron Paul supports the rights of independent individuals.

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Maybe someone should ask the FEC very specific, detailed questions.[/B]
Do you know exactly what was asked??

 

[IamVoting4RonPaul]

Hey, good luck to you man.

Like I said, you're an asset to the campaign.

Your ad is indirectly promoting the Ron Paul campaign and you took foreign money to place the ad. Good for you. Hope it gets a few more votes for RP. I also hope nobody finds out about it.

You seem to know it all so why not just get on with it.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Also- foriegners can use Chipins that support the RON PAUL FORUMS. They can use chipins for a billboard being bought by Billy Bob in Kansas.... and then they can legally drop money into a chipin that helps Stacey in Alaska paint Ron Paul all over her car...etc.
As long as the money donated does not ended up in the campaign... directly, or indirectly(meaning, i can't take their money and then donate it to the campaign as my own)

I hope this is correct, it's what I was trying to say.
You spelled out the exact question which needs to be asked.
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IamVoting4RonPaul: Do you know exactly what question was asked??

 

[torchbearer]

Like I said, you're an asset to the campaign.

Your ad is indirectly promoting the Ron Paul campaign and you took foreign money to place the ad. Good for you. Hope it gets a few more votes for RP. I also hope nobody finds out about it.

You seem to know it all so why not just get on with it.

I don't know it all, but this isn't my first rodeo on the FEC tango line.
Of course, I have an attorney that govern all decisions... if he doesn't throw up a flag... its ok.
I believe your interpretation of "indirect contribution" is incorrect. My attorney states that you are incorrect. An indirect contribution is akin to money laundering. You have maxed out, so you give me money to donate. That is illegal. Its an indirect contribution. Now, if you give me money to run my own Ron Paul ad, that is perfectly legal.
The same definitions apply to foreigners.

 

[American]

torchbearer, your chasing away one of the few chicks we have here, relax..

Hi Lisa, glad you could make it....