Non-US citizens CAN NOT donate to US Ron Paul ChipIns! -Admin: Accuracy is questioned

Email Trevor and ask him about his FEC phone call. . .

I just don't get it. I know most of us went to public school but what part of indirectly don't you understand?

All Ron Paul Meetups are indirectly working with the Ron Paul campaign. They may be "independent" because the run outside of the campaign but the work they do indirectly promotes a candidate for a US federal election.

Foreigners can help by finding other Americans overseas, like myself.
 
Listen to Torchbearer's lawyers advice?

IamVoting4RonPaul said:
I just don't get it. I know most of us went to public school but what part of indirectly don't you understand?
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From your source:

"Monitoring Prohibited Contributions

When a federal political committee (a committee active in federal elections) receives a contribution it believes may be from a foreign national, it must:..."

This is written "about federal political committees" which are registered.
We are independent individuals.
 
IamVoting4RonPaul said:
I just don't get it. I know most of us went to public school but what part of indirectly don't you understand?

All Ron Paul Meetups are indirectly working with the Ron Paul campaign. They may be "independent" because the run outside of the campaign but the work they do indirectly promotes a candidate for a US federal election.

Foreigners can help by finding other Americans overseas, like myself.
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I wouldn't insult the people who attended public school they had no choice.
Ron Paul Meet-ups are not considered as indirectly working for the campaign, because if they were, everything they do would be considered an "in-kind" contribution, and they'd have to stop all activities after they reached $2300 in individual in-kind contributions.
Since, that is not how it works... it is your education you need to re-examine. The meet-ups are in no way... not even "indirectly" tied to the campaign. As it is seen according to the law. That is why the campaign can not have any kind of control of the meet-ups or then the meet-ups are considered apart of the campaign and are limited by the laws you have stated.
 
Nice thread title!

IamVoting4RonPaul said:
Call the FEC yourself and prove me wrong.
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He told you about the advice of his trusted lawyer.
For some people that is enough.
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Hey nice thread title! :rolleyes:

Only mods can change thread titles, and now we are stuck with your (possibly false) claims chasing money away.

Good work :eek:
 
b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection
with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly,
make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or
expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in
connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
(c) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals to political
committees and organizations of political parties. A foreign national
shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or donation to:
(1) A political committee of a political party, including a national
party committee, a national congressional campaign committee, or a
State, district, or local party committee, including a non-Federal
account of a State, district, or local party committee, or
(2) An organization of a political party whether or not the
organization is a political committee under 11 CFR 100.5.
 
Context changes everything..??

From your source:

"Monitoring Prohibited Contributions

When a federal political committee (a committee active in federal elections) receives a contribution it believes may be from a foreign national, it must:..."

This is written "about federal political committees" which are registered.
We are independent individuals.
 
Indy Vidual said:
He told you about the advice of his trusted lawyer.
For some people that is enough.
````````

Hey nice thread title! :rolleyes:

Only mods can change thread titles, and now we are stuck with your (possibly false) claims chasing money away.

Good work :eek:
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Call the FEC and prove me wrong.
 
IamVoting4RonPaul said:
Call the FEC yourself and prove me wrong.
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How would that prove you wrong? You wouldn't hear what they are telling me and you wouldn't believe me if I told you they agreed with me.
I've already talked with the FEC on many occassions... so has my secretary/attorney. I've ran a federal campaign. I was told very clearly what is a contribution, direct and indirect. in-kind...and cash.
I'm not trying to be an ass, but i have a bad reaction to misinformation. You are 90% correct....and i've already listed the 10%.
It is illegal for foriegners to donate to the campaign, both directly and indirectly. that is true.
But someone sending me money to run an ad in my local paper is not an indirect contribution to ron paul's campaign.
For instance, If I was maxed out, I couldn't donate directly or indirectly to the campaign right?
I can still run my ads in the paper because it doesn't count as an indirect donation to the campaign.
But, If I gave you money to donate to the campaign... that would be illegal... that would be me indirectly donating to the campaign after I was maxed out.
Are you seriously not understanding what I am saying or are you just messing with me?
 
IamVoting4RonPaul: Please, let this thread die, due to the uncertainty, and the negative title.
Since you support Ron, please debate in the other thread.

Thank you
 
IamVoting4RonPaul said:
Tyou're a freakin' legend and an asset to the campaign.
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Was that about me? I didn't even notice that at first... is this common knowledge? I had no idea I had achieved legendary status here... ;)
I just know, that I'm all in until the end... and I do have the ability to make things happen.
I will call the FEC, again, tomorrow... and ask them, again, to verify my line of thinking... and I will do this out of my respect for you... at least you stand for something... some people in here are still afraid to make that stand. -but- They will in time.
 
I will question the first posters views. How can the official get in HOT water if they do not condone this behaviour NOR are they aware of it?

First off. IF the chipin is UNDER 1,000 (1 thousand) dollars, then, NO FCC info is needed to be supplied.

For instance,

IF you sell an item on EBAY for $1, with $100 shipping, an international supporter can buy that item etc...

If you an international supporter donates to a chipin that is under 1K, then the owner of the chipin is the only one that has to supply the information... because anything under 1K no PAC is required to be created.

that is my 2 cents.
 
Is it not perfectly legal for a non-American citizen to buy a product, say, a thumb-tack, from an American for €100, and for that American person to donate his newly earned $1,000 (I forget the exchange-rate, but I know it's something in the vicinity of 10:1 right? Will be soon, anyway.) to the campaign? What is illegal about that?
 
greves said:
Is it not perfectly legal for a non-American citizen to buy a product, say, a thumb-tack, from an American for €100, and for that American person to donate his newly earned $1,000 (I forget the exchange-rate, but I know it's something in the vicinity of 10:1 right? Will be soon, anyway.) to the campaign? What is illegal about that?
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As long as the transaction isn't done with the intent to divert funds to the campaign, there is nothing illegal about it.
 
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So let's say we come up with a code word, like RP2008, to put in our eBay auction titles so that people know we will be donating proceeds to RP. Hell, the bidders and sellers can talk to each other and ask/confirm.

/Oh wait, this already happened.
//Oh wait, you could just have a friend wire you money, and no one will ever know what the intent was.
///Oh wait, both of the above points were obvious, so I shouldn't even have bothered to make them.
////But wait, doesn't that make this entire thread ridiculous?
/////I'm an American living abroad and about 200EUR and 75GBP have been wired through me to the campaign. If anyone asks, I sold them an old loaf of bread.


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Don't delete this thread, it's important!

I am not American either, and I have looked into this already. The initial poster is 100% correct. A Foreigner may not give money, directly or indirectly to the campaign. If he pays for ads, it must not promote a particular candidate, but may discuss issues and declare a candidate the champion of those issues.

I can't run an add saying: Ron Paul is the man, vote for him!. That's illegal.
I can run and ad saying. The constitution is the bedrock of this great nation. Ron Paul is the only one wanting to restore the constitution.

And just for a case-closed ending to this post. I contacted the campaign a few weeks ago and asked them and made them research this for me.

The only exception to the ban on foreign citizen campaign contributions appears to be for those foreign nationals with "permanent residence" status.

See: http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml for more information.

Thanks for your interest in the campaign.

joe

Joseph F. Becker, Chief Legal Advisor and Policy Director
Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee
2674 S Patton CT
Denver, Colorado 80219
303-937-1787
303-379-1621 (fax)
[email protected]
http://www.RonPaul2008.com
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