Non-US citizens CAN NOT donate to US Ron Paul ChipIns! -Admin: Accuracy is questioned

[torchbearer]

Don't delete this thread, it's important!

I am not American either, and I have looked into this already. The initial poster is 100% correct. A Foreigner may not give money, directly or indirectly to the campaign. If he pays for ads, it must not promote a particular candidate, but may discuss issues and declare a candidate the champion of those issues.

I can't run an add saying: Ron Paul is the man, vote for him!. That's illegal.
I can run and ad saying. The constitution is the bedrock of this great nation. Ron Paul is the only one wanting to restore the constitution.

And just for a case-closed ending to this post. I contacted the campaign a few weeks ago and asked them and made them research this for me.

Or you can give me money, and I can run any ad I want. You forgot that option.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Well I'm sure there's lots of other options. I provide free DVDs to my meetup groups so they can hand them out for instance. I do a lot of stuff on the web for Ron Paul that costs a lot. By the time the election rolls around, I will have spent well over $2300 trying to get Ron Paul elected.

I just created this for instance:
http://www.ronpaulvideopodcast.com/

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

Hey all- I'm not a lawyer but I did make that phone call. I can't say for sure if there is a work around or not but I was told that no non- U.S. citizen can donate any money that would effect the outcome of an election, not even for grassroots efforts (which I stated I was). For me personally, I feel I'll be scrutinized greatly and don't want to take the chance.

I know so many people from other nations want so badly to have some effect on our elections because our elections effect so many people all over the world. All I can say (for those in other nations who read this) is your free labor is 100% legal. PROMOTE TeaParty07.com like crazy. That way your work and efforts will translate into money for the election.

Tell all your friends to promote, email people personally on myspace and ask them to learn about Ron Paul- do whatever you can in the social networks to spread his name. Win or lose this election we must change congress in order to win.. so the fight has truly just begun. Promoting Ron Paul paves the road towards taking back congress. We have not truly won until we have done this so get ready for a long haul. If we commit to that we will prevail.

 

[IamVoting4RonPaul]

All I wanted to do was protect the integrity of the campaign

The "spirit" of the law is to keep non-US citizens and permanent residents from contributing to a US election. What Hillary does is absolutely no concern of mine. My concern is helping, not hurting, Dr. Paul in any way.

I am an overseas American and there are many things to be done outside the US. In the last presidential election, it was estimated that between 3 and 6 million Americans are abroad -- we should be running ads in our own papers -- Sydney, Melbourne, London, Hong Kong, etc.

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

The "spirit" of the law is to keep non-US citizens and permanent residents from contributing to a US election. What Hillary does is absolutely no concern of mine. My concern is helping, not hurting, Dr. Paul in any way.

I am an overseas American and there are many things to be done outside the US. In the last presidential election, it was estimated that between 3 and 6 million Americans are abroad -- we should be running ads in our own papers -- Sydney, Melbourne, London, Hong Kong, etc.

That's a great point. U.S. law doesn't apply to non- U.S. citizens (only to us if we accept your contributions).

Non U.S. citizens could create websites about related topics (about the war, the scandals, etc.) and put links/ info about Ron Paul on their own sites. Because the site isn't about Ron Paul you could advertise anywhere you like, even on American websites.. probably even on grassroots websites..

 

[american.swan]

Hey all- I'm not a lawyer but I did make that phone call. I can't say for sure if there is a work around or not but I was told that no non- U.S. citizen can donate any money that would effect the outcome of an election, not even for grassroots efforts (which I stated I was). For me personally, I feel I'll be scrutinized greatly and don't want to take the chance.

I know so many people from other nations want so badly to have some effect on our elections because our elections effect so many people all over the world. All I can say (for those in other nations who read this) is your free labor is 100% legal. PROMOTE TeaParty07.com like crazy. That way your work and efforts will translate into money for the election.

Tell all your friends to promote, email people personally on myspace and ask them to learn about Ron Paul- do whatever you can in the social networks to spread his name. Win or lose this election we must change congress in order to win.. so the fight has truly just begun. Promoting Ron Paul paves the road towards taking back congress. We have not truly won until we have done this so get ready for a long haul. If we commit to that we will prevail.

Your probably right. I wouldn't be surprised at all with what your saying as being accurate. I can just imagine hundreds in the street angry that some foreign national affect our election. I just have two questions. Can you show me the law that says that a Foreigner can't do ANYTHING, even grassroots to affect an election, and also the one about US citizens having to pay income tax would be nice while your at it.

 

[american.swan]

The "spirit" of the law is to keep non-US citizens and permanent residents from contributing to a US election. What Hillary does is absolutely no concern of mine. My concern is helping, not hurting, Dr. Paul in any way.

I am an overseas American and there are many things to be done outside the US. In the last presidential election, it was estimated that between 3 and 6 million Americans are abroad -- we should be running ads in our own papers -- Sydney, Melbourne, London, Hong Kong, etc.

Remember the voting fraud in Armed Madhouse, almost if not all mailed ballots will be trashed. Just so you know.

 

[Nefertiti]

One of the issues that is high on my list of reasons I support Ron Paul is his policy of non-intervention. You see, I'm a dual citizen and the other country I am a citizen of is on the receiving end of US money that is used to influence my other government. I can see what kind of harm can come from foreign meddling.

Whatever the FEC says is acceptable or not, I find it appalling that a Ron Paul supporter would encourage foreigners to contribute money to campaign efforts. It is a violation in spirit of everything that Ron Paul stands for and is the ultimate hypocrisy. You don't know the source of that overseas money you are accepting-it could be just some unhappy factory worker in Ukraine, or the real source could be a foreign government trying to influence our elections for its own benefit. In any case, non-US nationals contributing money to the campaign do not have the best interest of the US in mind when they contribute, and in fact they may wish something detrimental for us. This must be a US only campaign. If we can't win this campaign without foreign money then we might as well all surrender ourselves to the Chinese right now and start working in their mines to pay off our debt.

In fact, I feel so strongly about this issue that I am thinking of writing to some Congressmen and suggesting they make a bill that makes encouraging foreign meddling in elections a treason offense. Yes, what some people are suggesting in these forums I consider treasonous.

As others have suggested, foreigners may do what they want overseas in support of Ron Paul. They can write articles in their local papers, lobby Americans overseas, whatever. We can't control what foreigners do in their own countries and that is totally within the spirit of what Ron Paul believes in. But it is unacceptable that we have American citizens trying to sell our country to the highest bidder on Ebay.

 

[jordie]

In any case, non-US nationals contributing money to the campaign do not have the best interest of the US in mind when they contribute, and in fact they may wish something detrimental for us.

Thats a load of ......

I'm Australian, I don't wish anything detrimental to America. We'd be part of the Japanese empire if it wasn't for America during WW2. Australia has been the most loyal freedom loving partner to America.

I very much support America and its constitutional foundations. The entire free world has always looked to America as the "big brother" that put freedom and liberty above all, a model we all want to emulate. How can we emulate it when the constitution is being ripped apart by the likes of George Bush and co? We want to see America be America and Ron Paul is the best damn chance at that.

I respect your opinion on not wanting foreign monetary contributions, but to be honest if there was a genuine candidate here in Australia who was the underdog, but stood up for what was right, I'd take all the support I could get.

We're not here to see bad things happen to America. If we wanted that we sure as hell wouldn't support the most liberty loving candidate. We're here to help and offer our assistance. Though, we are not prepared to indulge in any illegal activity at all. We do not want to be responsible for causing the campaign trouble nor do we want to let any American be decriminalized by our actions.

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

Whatever the FEC says is acceptable or not, I find it appalling that a Ron Paul supporter would encourage foreigners to contribute money to campaign efforts.

Well what is appalling is our interference in democratic elections of other nations, dropping bombs on children, etc. Put things into perspective please. What goes on here is life and death for many around the world so lets keep off the soap box.

I've received an email asking if I can confirm things about the phone call. The truth is if we want a real/exact answer we need a lawyer we can trust to make the call/ review the law. I'm thinking its doubtful we can accept them but I would love it if we could.

The one thing they said non citizens can do without any problems is contribute labor. That's why I suggest using the internet to promote the money bomb events to Americans. Spread the word about Ron Paul in your nation, create a website, get everyone to promote it and monitor your success through traffic generated, etc. Also you can use stats to see where traffic is coming form. Try to keep it coming from the U.S. and you'll know you're on track.

This is a battle of information over all else. If everyone in this country understood what was at stake/going on the problem would be solved. Right now the MSM lies and no one knows not to trust them, they used to tell the truth- the transition to lies has been slow and most never picked up on it.

 

[PLA]

Im a foreigner and since I cant donate, is there anyother way of supporting Ron Paul?

 

[BrianH]

The amounts we are talking about are so small for the average chipin that it seems like hairsplitting. If anyone wants to contribute to help an Iowa meetup win for Ron Paul then click my link below.

 

[kill the banks]

The amounts we are talking about are so small for the average chipin that it seems like hairsplitting. If anyone wants to contribute to help an Iowa meetup win for Ron Paul then click my link below.

Dr. Brian Horsfield
Organizer, Ron Paul MeetUp Group, Fairfield Iowa
http://www.myspace.com/ronpaul_liberty
Click to support our Chipin for promotion in first primary state!


amen , yes iowa needs some help right now ... send a few dollars their way ... good luck dr

kill the banks

 

[Goldwater Conservative]

Does anyone know if non-US citizens can buy pro-Paul products?

 

[ashevillejerry]

IamVoting4RonPaul is correct

Accuracy is questioned

I am a paralegal familiar with this area of the law. The accuracy is not in question to me at all.

I have posted one legal way that foreigners may contribute on another thread.

Yours in Liberty,

Jerry
RonPaulMax.com

 

[Peterjar]

Ashevillejerry vs. tourchbearer

Ashevillejerry claims he is a paralegal who specializes in election law, while tourchbearer claims he has run an election campaign himself and relies on the legal advise of his lawyers. Who do we believe?

Ashelvillejerry quotes some statements on the FEC website, but it is not clear what they mean. "direct" vs. "indirect" are non-obvious. The problem is that I could go through the FEC website and pull out some quotes but not being a lawyer and not understanding the various rulings as precedent I would not be able to get anything out of it. What does "indirect" mean? Is there really any precedent in the law to deal with chipins, being a relatively new phenomenon. Has there ever been a grassroots movement like our before, do the former laws even apply? Do they apply to activity in Europe or elsewhere outside the US? If we raise money in Europe and spend it i Europe does the FEC have jurisdiction?

WE NEED A INTERNATIONAL LAW and ELECTION LAW EXPERT.

The best thing to do is to get the campaign to make an official ruling on this. They can use some of the 9 million we have raised them to hire one.

Let now work on a draft of questions to send them and a pitch to settle this issue now!

 

[JHUK]

Does anyone know if non-US citizens can buy pro-Paul products?

You can buy his book on amazon.co.uk

 

[angelatc]

torchbearer, your chasing away one of the few chicks we have here, relax..

Hi Lisa, glad you could make it....

Hey, I don't know who is right, but she seems perfectly able to take him on. I don't see her going anywhere.

 

[Mark]

Foreign Nationals can donate to a church in support of their work.

Any amount.

I would imagine mainstream preachers like Pat Robertson get donations all the time from overseas.

I'm going to start some type of donation mechanism for my church,
so people from outside the country can help us help Ron Paul make a difference in this world.

People in other countries need Ron Paul as much as we do to stop this warmongering.

 

[Mark]

Im a foreigner and since I cant donate, is there anyother way of supporting Ron Paul?

I'm in the process of creating an official method of donating for my church.

I'm the founder of a Legally Incorporated,
Non-Profit Tax-Exempt Religious Organization in the state of North Carolina.

I have never applied for Federal 501-C3 Status,
so I'm not limited by federal rules and regulations regarding election campaigning.

I would appreciate any help from Foreign Nationals
to help me educate American Voters through my Church.