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[Suzanimal]

He certainly condemned the entire Methodist congregation toward the beginning of this thread..

I meant condemn in the end.

Then he conveniently sidestepped several questions I asked him but continues to accuse others...

He should answer your questions. Honestly, I didn't read the whole thread.

Shameful behavior in the Peace through Religion forum...

Seems par for the course to me. Nothing peaceful about this forum.

 

[Natural Citizen]

While I'm still semi-coherent (before lacquer) how'd you like to be a fly on the wall where S_F works?

Some big-city motel with a staff of beaners who are predominately Catholic...

Bet the break-room conversations are fun.

Hehehe. God bless em.

 

[Suzanimal]

He certainly condemned the entire Methodist congregation toward the beginning of this thread..

Then he conveniently sidestepped several questions I asked him but continues to accuse others...

Shameful behavior in the Peace through Religion forum...

They probably pretend they don't understand english, lol. I would and I'm not even Mexican.

 

[Sola_Fide]

While I'm still semi-coherent (before lacquer) how'd you like to be a fly on the wall where S_F works?

Some big-city motel with a staff of beaners who are predominately Catholic...

Bet the break-room conversations are fun.

Hey! I forgot to mention that while I was gone from the boards I won my brands national award for guest service! It's awarded to the top 5 percent in guest reviewed hotels in the country. It's my 4th national award in 7 years.

 

[Sola_Fide]

They did a piece for me in the business section of the paper too. It was pretty cool!

 

[Sola_Fide]

Hey, tod. How are you? I'll tell you something. Something you might already know. S_F is a neo-Calvinist. He will never talk across from you or anyone else here. He will always talk above you. He will talk to you as if he is looking down at you. And he differs very little from any other authoritarian group in that way. He will continually reaffirm is own theological correctness by deriving his own view of the Gospel from proof-texts rather than the general tenor of Scripture. S_F's role, by his own doctrine, is to create a spirit of division among Christians by way of theological elitism and theological snobbery. S_F's system creates walls between believers. It creates a class of Christians within the Church who believe themselves to be part of some worthy inner circle that you and I aren't in.

Read through S_F's posts here, tod. About 75 percent of them end with a question mark. S_F believes that he is above everyone else here spiritually. S_F believes that everyone here has to answer to him. S_F believes that he is the decider of what its Truth. Why? Because it's his 16th century reformist doctrine that tells him that he can proof-text the Bible and diregard its tenor in order to claim some kind of theological superiority.

Personally, I wouldn't give him your time. That's what he feeds on. He wants you to engage with him so he can ask you a bunch of questions that he feels he, and only he, has the answer for. He wants to guide discussion so that his doctrine is the main aspect of any theological conversation. Again, the neo-Calvinist will aways establish for himself a position in a given discussion so that he can speak from above you. He asks nothing but questions. As if he's the authority and you have to explain your faith to him.

Heck, by S_F's theological model, Jesus Christ died in vain. By S_F's model, we're all predestined to be saved or doomed. So, what the heck? lolol. Poor Jesus. Crucified for nothing if we're to take S_F's proof-texting horse pucky seriously.

Anyway. I'm on extended break. lol. I was just checking my messages and saw the peckerhead was out of the hole and back to his usual game of theological superiority and general authoritarian babble.

Peace out, muh brotha.

Well...what are your answers to the questions? Do you believe Jesus voluntarily stood in the place of sinners and took the punishment due to them so that they would inherit eternal life? That's a pretty ubiquitous belief among professing Christians. But TERs church denies it. What do you think given the verses I posted?

Secondly, I know that you said you just became a Christian, so these categories might be a little new to you. I'm not a Calvinist and I'm not a "neo Calvinist" (what is that?).

Thirdly, when you say that we should look at "the tenor of Scripture" rather than deriving our theology from the text of the Bible, that is just ridiculous. Every cult and every other form of whakiness out there says that too. Virtually ANYTHING can be supported by what someone says the "tenor" of the Bible is. What is really important is what the text actually says. And the text actually says that Jesus took the punishment due to the ones who will inherit eternal life, just as the verses I posted say.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I'm still waiting on him to apologize to all the good Christian Methodists he would personally condemn...

That's low behavior even for a Calvinist...

They're a dime a dozen out here in the buckle of the Bible belt, funny thing is the ones who scream the loudest about another mans beliefs are usually the first to fall...

I didn't condemn anyone personally. I never have. The Bible condemns Methodism And Wesleyanism. I'm focusing on theology, not anyone in particular (unlike the way that you are focusing on me personally in this thread).

Do you know that Methodism and Wesleyanism teach prevenient grace? Where is prevenient grace in the Bible? You see, I think that maybe you don't have all the facts yet theologically speaking, so it's difficult to determine where I'm coming from.

 

[tod evans]

I didn't condemn anyone personally. I never have.

I condemn the Methodist church because they don't preach the gospel.

Don't bother heretic.

 

[Yieu]

I didn't condemn anyone personally. I never have.

That's about the only thing it seems you do here, and because of that I wonder why you even bother to post at all if that's all you have to say, because you can say it once and be done. It seems that you believe you're God, and can condemn people to damnation. It seems to me that you've made yourself into an idol for yourself.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Don't bother heretic.

Are you rational? Do you understand the difference between condemning the theology of a church rather than a particular person?

 

[tod evans]

Are you rational? Do you understand the difference between condemning the theology of a church rather than a particular person?

Semantics is a childish endeavor, you quite plainly condemned the Methodist Church, not a building, not their "theology" but the entire congregation.

And still you refuse to acknowledge that you've done anything wrong...

Rational you say.............Sociopath I say.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Semantics is a childish endeavor, you quite plainly condemned the Methodist Church, not a building, not their "theology" but the entire congregation.

And still you refuse to acknowledge that you've done anything wrong...

Rational you say.............Sociopath I say.

I can't help you if you don't understand the distinction between condemning the Methodist Church (meaning what the Methodist Church promotes as a theology), and condemning an actual person.

Most rational people would understand the distinction.

 

[tod evans]

I can't help you if you don't understand the distinction between condemning the Methodist Church (meaning what the Methodist Church promotes as a theology), and condemning an actual person.

Most rational people would understand the distinction.

This is not about my understanding no matter how much you would like to change the subject...

This is 100% about you condemning the entire Methodist Church and refusing to acknowledge what you've done.

 

[Suzanimal]

That's about the only thing it seems you do here, and because of that I wonder why you even bother to post at all if that's all you have to say, because you can say it once and be done. It seems that you believe you're God, and can condemn people to damnation. It seems to me that you've made yourself into an idol for yourself.

I get where he's coming from. I disagree with him but I get it because I have relatives who are the same way. They think anyone who's not Catholic is going to hell and don't mind telling you. They think they're being loving when they tell you this, too. They seem to believe (despite obvious negative results), someone's going say, "Well, dang, thanks for opening my eyes! Where do I sign up for RCIA?" It never happens and they usually end up pissing people off.

 

[Sola_Fide]

This is not about my understanding no matter how much you would like to change the subject...

This is 100% about you condemning the entire Methodist Church and refusing to acknowledge what you've done.

Well, I'm sorry that you can't understand these distinctions. These kind of distinctions are all throughout the Bible if you care to read it. For example:

1 John 2:23

If anyone does not believe in the Son, he does not have the Father.

So John is condemning all those who do not believe in the Son. He says that they don't have the Father.

He is not saying that Tod Evans or George Bush or Pete Rose doesn't have the Father, he is just simply saying that all those who don't believe in the Son, don't have the Father. All the ones who ascribe to this doctrine don't have the Father.

Most rational people can understand the difference between condemning a particular person and condemning a system or theology that exists.

 

[tod evans]

I condemn the Methodist church because they don't preach the gospel.

Apologize heretic and stop trying to excuse your behavior.

Misdirection and obfuscation are not tools of the Christian.

Luke 6:37

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

 

[Sola_Fide]

Apologize heretic and stop trying to excuse your behavior.

Misdirection and obfuscation are not tools of the Christian.

Luke 6:37

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:


Was John condemning in this passage?

1 John 2:23

If anyone does not believe in the Son, he does not have the Father.

Was Paul condemning in this passage?

Galatians 1:9

As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God's curse!

They were condemning, weren't they? So was John and Paul sinning when they said what they said? Or is there another way to understand Jesus' words?

 

[tod evans]

Misdirection and obfuscation are not tools of the Christian.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Here's one of the most famous passages in the Bible. But people don't read the next verse that comes after the famous one, do they?

John 3:16-20
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

There's more of that condemnation stuff. Was John sinning when he wrote that?

 

[tod evans]

Misdirection and obfuscation are not tools of the Christian.

Apologize to all of the good Christian Methodists who you would condemn by virtue of their association.

Who do you think you are to condemn anyone?

Shame on you!

Your words Bucko;

I condemn the Methodist church because they don't preach the gospel.