Travel Ban for Trans People. Refusal to renew passports even with birth genders.

[idiom]

The executive order also maintained that “these sexes are not changeable”, leading to government agencies being forced to apply the policy to all government-issued identification.

As such, passport applications where the applicant’s gender is different to their biological sex at birth have not been processed, raising concerns about their access to essential services.

Many transgender Americans are now fearful that, without a passport, they will not be able to leave the country and seek asylum elsewhere if they face increased discrimination within the United States.

They're not even allowing reversion to birth genders.

Why would you want to impose a travel ban on a minority? There's not really any good answers to that one.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/general/g...ive-me-any-passport-with-any-name/ar-AA1ycnY3

 

[ClaytonB]

They're not even allowing reversion to birth genders.

Why would you want to impose a travel ban on a minority? There's not really any good answers to that one.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/general/g...ive-me-any-passport-with-any-name/ar-AA1ycnY3

Well, let's think about it for a moment -- there is almost surely a significant overlap between the activities of foreign intelligence and trans individuals, since drastically altering appearance beyond recognition (and, thus, identity) is a key interest of intelligence services. So the idea that all of these trans people are just doing it for the fun of it is pretty naive...

 

[LexEtLibertas]

They're not even allowing reversion to birth genders.

Why would you want to impose a travel ban on a minority? There's not really any good answers to that one.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/general/g...ive-me-any-passport-with-any-name/ar-AA1ycnY3 [Michele Theil, "Trans Americans accuse Trump of ‘travel ban’: ‘They will not give me any passport with any name’", PinkNews, Jan. 31, 2025, https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/01/31/trans-americans-passport-ban-trump-state-department/ , https://archive.ph/w7mha , https://www.freezepage.com/1738370881TFENWOTFNV ]

Why? I'll tell you why. As I've said elsewhere on this forum:

""
... to show the collectivists of the prior years, who believe In Government We Trust, that a government which can supposedly give you everything can definitely take everything away from you. Including your life; and indeed your soul, if you believe in government. It reminds me of Trump's recitation of the lyrics to Oscar Brown's song "The Snake", except that as liberty-lovers actually know, the Snake here is the government.
""

For my above comment, see:

* Anti Federalist, "Trump signs EO banning gov financial support of transqueeer procedures for minors", Ron Paul Forums: Liberty Forest, Jan. 28, 2025, https://ghostarchive.org/archive/FArzJ , https://megalodon.jp/2025-0131-2059...-support-of-transqueeer-procedures-for-minors , https://www.freezepage.com/1738324798LBGXGPOOEY .

When you play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.

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* "SNOG - Everything Is Under Control", Richard Grant ( youtube.com/user/rgrant ), Mar. 19, 2013

Mirrors: https://web.archive.org/web/20240227222123/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFaqsc4lNyk , https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/dFaqsc4lNyk ; id., Faustus Films ( vimeo.com/user3576277 ), Feb. 25, 2013, https://vimeo.com/60439901 .

For more on what the above video by our good friends at Snog is about, consult the section "The New World Order: Government's Attempt at Autoapotheosis", pp. 87-98 of my following article, paying close attention to the footnotes, since much of the information on this is within said footnotes:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhy...TheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf .

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[Occam's Banana]

As such, passport applications where the applicant’s gender is different to their biological sex at birth have not been processed, raising concerns about their access to essential services.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1884791062348140683

https://x.com/ThomasEWoods/status/1885473825195757572
& https://x.com/take0ne2Kngo/status/1885474463585886400

 

[LexEtLibertas]

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1884791062348140683

https://x.com/ThomasEWoods/status/1885473825195757572
& https://x.com/take0ne2Kngo/status/1885474463585886400

There's an easy way to resolve these disagreements:

Abolish government.

Easy peasy, like I said.

 

[Intrepid]

Well, let's think about it for a moment -- there is almost surely a significant overlap between the activities of foreign intelligence and trans individuals, since drastically altering appearance beyond recognition (and, thus, identity) is a key interest of intelligence services. So the idea that all of these trans people are just doing it for the fun of it is pretty naive...

That's a good point.

Wouldn't it be fun if we cancelled the CIA entirely. Just got rid of all "national intelligence" what with all the lies and disguise and what not.

Pure Transparency.

You may say I'm a dreamer...... But I'm not the only one.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Occam's Banana]

There's an easy way to resolve these disagreements:

Abolish government.

Easy peasy, like I said.

People will disagree about things (sometimes vehemently, or even violently) regardless of whether there is a "government" (however "government" might be defined).

IOW: "Abolish[ing] government" will not "resolve these disagreements".

 

[69360]

They're not even allowing reversion to birth genders.

Why would you want to impose a travel ban on a minority? There's not really any good answers to that one.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/general/g...ive-me-any-passport-with-any-name/ar-AA1ycnY3

I'm sure the issue will be solved eventually. It's a new policy and things need to be worked out. The government isn't going to ban these people from traveling forever.

They will probably need to apply for a new passport with the gender they were born with. It is what it is. I don't have strong feelings about this policy either way.

 

[LexEtLibertas]

People will disagree about things (sometimes vehemently, or even violently) regardless of whether there is a "government" (however "government" might be defined).

IOW: "Abolish[ing] government" will not "resolve these disagreements".

I highly disagree with you! (You and everyone can detect my high disagreement factor there.) The reason why anarchy (let us all get used to that inflammatory word) is necessary, beyond the usual Rothbardian arguments, is because with the free market, everyone can have their way. Let the private establishments choose how they wish to handle it, as our current President Donald J. Trump initially said in his first presidential campaign.

Anarchy! It is just, it is true!

So deal, em effers!

Folks, the government tried to put a bullet into his head. What do you think will be his rejoinder?

* "KMFDM - Anarchy", Kaitlyn Taylor ( youtube.com/user/t3rabyt3 ), Nov. 18, 2007

Mirrors: "KMFDM - Anarchy", try to KillMich^^ ( youtube.com/user/HummerRXT ), July 28, 2009, https://youtube.com/watch?v=uAOoiIkFQq4 ; "KMFDM - Anarchy", dalemierdaaaaa, Feb. 12, 2011, https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZPAS8Wa8v4c .

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But at any rate, you know I still love you, Mr. Epistemology-Razor's Banana.

Love!

It's a thing, folks.

Love, love, love.

Have it, or don't.

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* "Bye Bye Bye Opening Scene | DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE (2024) Movie CLIP HD", JoBlo Movie Clips ( youtube.com/@JoBloMovieClips ), Nov. 12, 2024

Mirrors: https://web.archive.org/web/20250102134832/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHAK-gU9gi0 , https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/VHAK-gU9gi0 .

 

[Brian4Liberty]

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1884791062348140683

...

It's amazing how Trump is responsible for everything just a few days into his term. Egg prices up? It's Trump's fault!

When did Trump sign an executive order on this? That's an amazing and unusual turn-around time for applying for a passport, getting that application processed, issued, printed, mailed, delivered, etc.

I'd have to guess that this passport was processed and printed before Trump signed his order.

 

[otherone]

People will disagree about things (sometimes vehemently, or even violently) regardless of whether there is a "government" (however "government" might be defined).

IOW: "Abolish[ing] government" will not "resolve these disagreements".

No, but the resolutions and the consequences of those resolutions would be much more entertaining.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

It's amazing how Trump is responsible for everything just a few days into his term. Egg prices up? It's Trump's fault!

When did Trump sign an executive order on this? That's an amazing and unusual turn-around time for applying for a passport, getting that application processed, issued, printed, mailed, delivered, etc.

I'd have to guess that this passport was processed and printed before Trump signed his order.

[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] seems to think that no trans can pass as a woman. Do you think the person in the video could use a women's bathroom without suspicion?

 

[ClaytonB]

People will disagree about things (sometimes vehemently, or even violently) regardless of whether there is a "government" (however "government" might be defined).

IOW: "Abolish[ing] government" will not "resolve these disagreements".

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Occam's Banana again.

 

[A. Havnes]

[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] seems to think that no trans can pass as a woman. Do you think the person in the video could use a women's bathroom without suspicion?

Willing to bet the man in the video is using a ton of filters. Usually if you catch candid photos of a lot of these types, they don’t look they do on social media.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Willing to bet the man in the video is using a ton of filters. Usually if you catch candid photos of a lot of these types, they don’t look they do on social media.

Maybe but I would say there are a lot of ugly biological females out there these days. And my guess would be that there are plenty of trans people that would go undetected. I am not arguing that many are not obvious. Many are. The ones that are not obvious you didn't know.

 

[Voluntarist]

It's amazing how Trump is responsible for everything just a few days into his term. Egg prices up? It's Trump's fault!

When did Trump sign an executive order on this? That's an amazing and unusual turn-around time for applying for a passport, getting that application processed, issued, printed, mailed, delivered, etc.

I'd have to guess that this passport was processed and printed before Trump signed his order.

Yeah, exactly. Passport application times are here. In a life or death emergency, you can get one in under 14days, but you have to book an in-person appointment. For urgent travel you can get one in 2 to 3 weeks, but again you have to book an in-person appointment. Expedited service is 3 to 6 weeks, and the forms are submitted in person (but be sure to factor in a couple of weeks for mail service). Routine service takes 6 weeks (plus mailing times).

 

[Voluntarist]

They're not even allowing reversion to birth genders.

I'm in the process of renewing my passport. Every one of them has asked for "sex" rather than "gender". You won't find "Gender" on a US passport. The two terms represent different things. Sex is assigned at birth; generally upon the identified visible physiology when you pop out of the chute. There's about a 1 in 80,000 chance you don't fit into one of the binary sexes; but even in most of those cases you'll pass, physiologically, as one of the binary sexes.

 

[dannno]

There's an easy way to resolve these disagreements:

Abolish government.

Easy peasy, like I said.

Yes, if only we had elected Kamala Harris, who supports transgender rights, she would also abolish the government...

I'll take abolishing as big a percentage of government as we can get..

If a tiny percentage of Americans have to deal with some random passport issue because they want the wrong letter next to their name... sorry, but I don't really care, Margaret.

There are drugs and medical treatments that differ between the sexes. If you get a ride to the hospital on an ambulance, it is better to have the sex assigned at birth on your ID than your gender.