NH supporters... what do you think will happen?

[thisisgiparti]

Some of you really need to wake up. It is COMPLETELY over if he cannot get 3rd place. For you that think its a 50 state strategy, try convincing a voter to vote for a man that has not placed higher than 5th place in a primary. There are way to many fanboys on this board that simply don't understand that people want to vote for a winner.

3rd place in NH is actually pitiful considering they are the most free state in the nation.

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[thisisgiparti]

New Hampshire was ours to loose.
Its the only state in the country that is identified as a libertarian state.
We gave this campaign 5 million dollars in the 3rd quarter.
Another 8 million dollars half way through the 4th quarter.
We should be polling 50% ya thats right 50% for the last 3 weeks . With us being the story of the race. With us having all that support that is moving to Obama locked up 3 weeks ago. And money pouring into the revolution takin shapenationally. Because we were polling 50% 3 weeks ago.
The state has a 10% libertarian base for crying out loud. The people are strapped economically. Thier kids are dying. And 70% of them want us out of IRaq. 50% 50% not the 10% base that already existed. THe campaign never sold us to New Hampshire.

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[thisisgiparti]

Finally the light is starting to shine. the money bomb records never were meant to give paul the Presidency automatically, the delusional thought it would, the smart ones done it for publicity due to the fact that the MSM were not giving him any publicity, the tactic worked well until some thought that it was automatic presidency. The fact is that money bombs were only a tactic, but the upside is that paul has stacks of cash and he can now claim matching funds, which is another 20 million. With another 20 million dollars Paul should be able to blow all those other goof balls that want lots of war away forever with the direct straight to the point advertising, he can now do it.

Here is a deal to the campaign, no more LAME ads, take matching funds and annihalate the opposition! Easily done, Paul has an unbeatable message, no one has ever been able to criticise him on that, all they are left with is to criticise the supporters because his message is FREEDOM!

We can win this!

Exactly. We cannot expect corporate-owned media to give us free publicity, because we are not pushing their agenda. That is reasonable. Ron Paul is being covered and invited to most debates. WE heard about him, didn't we?

The campaign needs to be organized. Matching funds wouldn't be an issue, if this were handled professionally not haphazardly. More donors would come on board and existing donors would max out. Some people really want to back a winner, a courageous patriot. These people are not just diddling around with some vague "freedom movement" and hoping for a miracle.

At this point, Ron Paul should accept matching funds or just take the Libertarian Party up on its offer and run as an Independent.

 

[CJP]

The cold, hard reality is that for the vast majority of voters, the media chatter about the "horserace" is the decisive factor that determines whom they consider to be a viable candidate. They then choose from among those they consider viable.

This is not so much ideological censorship as it is the media following their tired old formula: They take early polls (where the winners are determined by name recognition). They cover the people that do well in these polls, reinforcing the name recognition. They take more polls. Repeat.

They only thing that can break into this cycle is a win or surprising second-place in a "scientific" poll or, better yet, in a primary or caucus. Without the media behind you, this takes a huge on-the-ground effort. And this effort must be targeted to "average Joes" for it to result in effective numbers. The only people who've been able to pull this off in recent history are evangelicals/social-conservatives, such as Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan(who succeeded with a populist, culture-war message), and now Mike Huckabee. The evangelicals, through churches and other existing networks, are well suited to do this.

Unfortunately, Ron Paul has never broken through this "viability barrier." The only way he can do so if for the libertarians to pull off what the evangelicals have done. If it can't be done in NH, with an existing libertarian base and the OLFoD effort, it can't be done -- at least in this election cycle.

Ron Paul must pull off an absolute shocker in NH or SC. First or second in NH is a must if Ron is to have a chance to win the nomination. If not, he'll have to pull off an even bigger shocker in (like first place) in SC.

Unfortunately, Ron's five opponents have now all been, at one time or another, declared by the media to have a good chance of winning the nomination. They don't have to have big wins in NH or SC to get media coverage going into Super Tuesday.

Bottom line: For this election, it all comes down to New Hampshire.

But the movement will go on and grow regardless of what happens in 2008. And we will have Ron Paul's campaign to thank for it. In that sense, we have already won.

 

[ItsTime]

New Hampshire the most free? Sorry have you been to Alaska? Only reason freestaters dont move there is because its fing cold.

Anyway...

We will come in the top four for sure.

It is never too late to fight for Freedom. I expect Ron Paul to campaign till the end. That is why I donated.

New Hampshire was ours to loose.
Its the only state in the country that is identified as a libertarian state.
We gave this campaign 5 million dollars in the 3rd quarter.
Another 8 million dollars half way through the 4th quarter.
We should be polling 50% ya thats right 50% for the last 3 weeks . With us being the story of the race. With us having all that support that is moving to Obama locked up 3 weeks ago. And money pouring into the revolution takin shapenationally. Because we were polling 50% 3 weeks ago.
The state has a 10% libertarian base for crying out loud. The people are strapped economically. Thier kids are dying. And 70% of them want us out of IRaq. 50% 50% not the 10% base that already existed. THe campaign never sold us to New Hampshire.

 

[NOLA]

You are mistaken. We are truly running a 50 state campaign, anything better than 5th will add momentum to our movement.

Dead on. Thank you for saying this and everyone needs to hear this. Why are we going to throw away so much work over 6-8 months on just two states. So what everyone did in every other state through meetup was worthless??? People need to seriously wake up. It will only be a three person race between Guilliani, Huckabee (no money), and Ron Paul.

No one not even Mitt is going to spend 50 million of his own money (only 350 to begin with) to run in Super Tuesday.

 

[american.swan]

I think you all need to realize that this campaign business is a combination of factors. These factors are bothering each campaign.

Look at the other campaigns. McCain is too old and has no money or momentum. He is hoping to win NH and therefore gain momentum and money but it takes time to spend money fast enough in other states. McCain doesn't have time and money on his side.

Look at Huck. He seems to have momentum and the evangelicals on his side, but the attacks from Mitt will hurt some and he hasn't enough money. So he needs momentum to continue and money he doesn't have. NH isn't going to help the Huck bandwagon. Huck will have issues in NV and FL. So Huck's campaign has stress.

Mitt has money, but nothing much else. He needs momentum and wins just like everyone else. Wyoming isn't going to give Mitt much momentum.

Rudy has money but absolutely no momentum.

Paul is in the same boat as everyone else. He has some cash which gives him some advantage, but he just got the cash and he is trying to spend it, but he doesn't want to spend it all too early in this field where the last second a voter can change their mind. Ron needs momentum. Iowa gave him some momentum and he needs that momentum to continue in NH and beyond.

People need to relax. Focus on their own districts. And focus on the message.

 

[hankpyro]

Disagree

Paul needs 1st or 2nd or it is pretty much over. He has single digit support in MI, NV & SC. Coming in third or worse won't help that.

The question is "how will we do on Tuesday?" Not "how will a bad day affect us?"

We will do better than expected on Tuesday!!!

How will a bad day affect us? It is a battle of attrition.

 

[austin356]

Turnout killed us in Iowa, but that won't be the problem in New Hampshire.

You are way off if you think low turnout hurts Ron Paul. The low numbers help Ron Paul greatly because it allows the small base of roughly 2,000 Iowans who truly are "Ron Paul Revolutionaries" and allows them to have a much larger impact.

What hurt us is the type of turnout of the caucuses, not the actual turnout (actually the caucuses had high turnout and it hurt us). The makeup of turnout in NH will help us greatly. The amount of turnout will not.

 

[dspectre]

Berri = New Poster.

That is the nicest way to put it.

I'm starting to hear a lot of negativity and people saying "Oh if we are polling blah blah blah we can't win."

Sure we want to win, but it is also about doing the right thing.

I get kind of tired of defeatist losers posting on the board.

 

[driller80545]

Berri. Go away. The primary hasn't even been held yet. Back off and just go away.

No one, NO ONE!, wants to listen to your fatalistic attitude. This isn't a GAME! This is our country being assaulted at its core (the Constitution).

The more I think about it, the more I think you may be a plant from another campaign, perhaps Huckabee or McCain? Hmm?

So, just GO AWAY. You have your own candidate to support.

I do. I think he makes a point. PS. I ain't going to go away.

 

[hankpyro]

Report on Progress

I was bummed out big time by Iowa. That night I had attended an election day volunteers meeting in Hampton with Brinck and Andy. I felt good and then got the bad news about Iowa.

The next day I went to my chiropractor and he outed himself as not just an RP supporter but a livid, rabid RP supporter. He will vote in his first primary on Tuesday at the age of 42. His wife will also vote for RP. I think they are both registered independents.

I mingled with non-RP friends on Saturday. Many of them were from Massachusetts. Quite a few of them had never heard of RP and one of them thought that he was running on Libertarian ticket.

I was visited by OLFD voluteer, Scott, on Sunday. Saw family and handled unrelated matters then dropped in at HQ in Concord. It was busy but then again everyone else's hq looked busy as well. Even Kucinich HQ. Talked to Chris and Norman. Reiterated that I am willing to do anything on election day. Was scheduled to be a poll checker but it seems that most of the slots are filled. Let it be known that I am available for just about anything Monday and Tuesday. The good news is that we have so many volunteers that now I am begging for a part. That is a very good sign.

I am inspired by the Radisson rally. The Fox snub might be the spark that lights the inferno. I saw bits and pieces of the Fox production and the candidates all came across poorly. If we make a strong showing Fox will be embarrassed. So will a few of the candidates.

I feel a buzz that was not there a couple of days ago. I am optimistic.

 

[N13]

Berri = New Poster.

That is the nicest way to put it.

I'm starting to hear a lot of negativity and people saying "Oh if we are polling blah blah blah we can't win."

Sure we want to win, but it is also about doing the right thing.

I get kind of tired of defeatist losers posting on the board.

Berri can't post his/her way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[Michigan11]

One day until we know how Ron Paul does in New Hampshire.

We will see the facts. When we do. Let's re-focus our energy into what is actually working.

That being said, stop drinking from the dillusional side of things, and let's start looking at the reality, and how we can change the course of this campaign to win.

Reality folks. Let's look at the worse poll numbers we can find as a prediction for our turnout, and if we don't like what we see, let's find answers.


Quick question: If we have a huge proportion of volunteers hitting the streets in New Hampshire, and have been doing so for weeks, if not months, then why are the polls not moving up?

To put this another way, in a state like, Iowa, not our type of state, or demographics so to say, and with less volunteers....we polled 10% (basically what we are polling in NH)

Are volunteers hitting the streets, increasing the polls or hurting us in the polls?

or

Is it more likely, that we need genuine campaign advertisements to blitz the media vacume and direct strategy, to take advantage of opportunities as they arise, or to indirectly help out volunteers?


Is Ron Paul looking to seriously win this?

If so, why do they still have $19 million, from our whole 4th quarter still?

 

[Michigan11]

By the way, I'm in this til the end, even if it goes on for another year, I just want to make people change course to win this.

We need new direction people.

Is the anti-war message resonating with the republican base? Most older republicans, those that come out in droves to vote, are not concerned with ending the war.

The republican base is concerned with the economy and taxes.

For alot of Repbulicans, an anti-war message reminds them of the 60's.

We need to increase the republican base of support to win this.

Independents won't win this for us.


All that being said, I know we can win, but we need a new direction now. Right Now.

 

[Hatband]

If the Republican base can't actually comprehend that the economy and taxes correlate directly to the war then they are far too stupid to even appreciate the notion of peace, prosperity and freedom.

 

[alexa doherty]

Berri, I am amazed as well to hear people say that we are about to win this thing at 9% in the polls. These people are delusional.

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[alexa doherty]

Oh yeah the delusion is beyond belief!

Instead of these supporters working out where it is going wrong and fixing the problem so we can win this, they are ignoring the problems and making out Ron Paul has already won the election. Delusion is sad isn't it?

Berri,

Look we understand you're mentally retarded but Iowa was a big farming govt. subsidies state. Ron didn't have much of a chance there.

Now go back to your room and play with your 2 incher.

 

[alexa doherty]

I think what will happen is fairly obvious: , Mike Huckabee won't have a huge following cause lets be honest NH is not a Baptist state, McCain might get a top 3rd position but certainly not 1st as Paul will have taken most of the independents and no Republicans are going to vote him into the Presidency. Mitt Romney is way too far away from Utah (if you catch my drift) I think the top 2 spots will be Guiliani and Paul as long as Guiliani uses his 911 platform the I think Ron Paul will be a shoo-in

Didn't Cnn say Ron has 29% of the independents?

With McCain messing up lately, I think even more will go to Ron.

 

[eloquensanity]

If the Republican base can't actually comprehend that the economy and taxes correlate directly to the war then they are far too stupid to even appreciate the notion of peace, prosperity and freedom.

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